Most Powerful Hero/Villain
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Buster Sword
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Yeah and that is WAY more than FF, but not as much as Marvel I dont think. And these universes are pretty much like ours with billions of galaxies etc, not like DBZ which has about 10 galaxies lol.
Makoeyes987
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Yeah it can, but in Dissidia, Golbez and Chaos clearly refer to each of these worlds as existing in different dimensions. Furthermore, the fundamental differences of each FF world (save for FFVII and FFX) doesn't lead much credence at all to them existing in the same universe. Their world/universe mechanics are vastly different between each other.
And yes, Chaos IS in fact immortal. Cosmos and Chaos have been waging war for quite sometime and Chaos has been killed, and so has Cosmos but neither of them stay down for long. The cycle continues because they're gods. They did not get a "true" death. Chaos is in essence an embodiment of death and disorder anyways.
And yes, Chaos IS in fact immortal. Cosmos and Chaos have been waging war for quite sometime and Chaos has been killed, and so has Cosmos but neither of them stay down for long. The cycle continues because they're gods. They did not get a "true" death. Chaos is in essence an embodiment of death and disorder anyways.
Buster Sword
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Yeah but you can still have different dimensions in the same universe, the Hulk punches through dimensional barriers, that doesn't mean he's stomping universes xD Mars is different to earth, ya dig me?
Chaos gets beaten by omipotents end of story lol. I wouldn't even put him on Galactus level tbh.
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I aint spamming, all i av been doing througtout the thread before u joined was post who i thought was powerful. which was Necron and Auron. so i aint spamming.
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But Final Fantasy doesn't take place in the same universe. That makes absolutely no sense and is contradicted rather explicitly in Dissidia. And Chaos isn't breaking down Dimensional walls, he's fucking consuming and destroying universes in order to spread the discord and create the perfect battlefield.
And wtf are you talking about omnipotents for? What omnipotents beat Chaos? Huh? We're talking about Chaos being the strongest and ultimate evil of Final Fantasy as a whole, dude.
And what Chaos did... that's a lot like Glactus if you think about it. Except instead of planets...they're universes.
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If you just say you like Necron, that's spam. And Auron is not a villain. That makes absolutely no sense. Auron isn't evil in the least. You're posting shit that's not even relevant or sensical to the discussion. Either post for real or join an appropriate thread, please.
And wtf are you talking about omnipotents for? What omnipotents beat Chaos? Huh? We're talking about Chaos being the strongest and ultimate evil of Final Fantasy as a whole, dude.
And what Chaos did... that's a lot like Glactus if you think about it. Except instead of planets...they're universes.
@User Name
If you just say you like Necron, that's spam. And Auron is not a villain. That makes absolutely no sense. Auron isn't evil in the least. You're posting shit that's not even relevant or sensical to the discussion. Either post for real or join an appropriate thread, please.
Buster Sword
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Because it's said to be in different dimensions? Still doesn't mean much imo, this universe could be the size of a penis, a car, pocket verse etc. I never said he was, I was referring to the HULK lol. Destroying universes when?
Because Chaos is nowhere near omnipotent, you said he was and he isn't.
Galactus at full power is on Eternity level, I still don't put him on Galactus's level. Again destroying universes when, how big are they? Pocket verse? Billions of galaxies? lol
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Actually if u read, its says hero/villan
And i believe i have said my pouint of view to my own knowledge of FF, u cant expect evryone to know the same amount of info.
Buster Sword
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In short, Chaos is not a multversal threat. Nobody in FF is lol. Universal at tops.
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...What the hell are you talking about? The story and the characters within who would be privy to such a fact, state...that Final Fantasy is a Mlutiverse. Meaning it is. Your opinion doesn't matter. That's what the story says and is the fact.
And I just said, Chaos destroyed the universes of Final Fantasy 1 through 10 in Dissidia. Hence the storyline. Did you not read what I put?
The universes of Final Fantasy each have a solar system, and their size is irrelevant. The fact he transcends dimensions (which no villain has been shown to do) and succeeds where all other villains fail, is proof enough of him standing above them. That, and all the other villains take orders from him and don't do anything to directly oppose his power. His power and might suits the storyline based on its scale, whatever it is.
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My mistake, I thought this was a different thread. But please add some more to your posts then so they aren't just single sentences and words.
And I just said, Chaos destroyed the universes of Final Fantasy 1 through 10 in Dissidia. Hence the storyline. Did you not read what I put?
The universes of Final Fantasy each have a solar system, and their size is irrelevant. The fact he transcends dimensions (which no villain has been shown to do) and succeeds where all other villains fail, is proof enough of him standing above them. That, and all the other villains take orders from him and don't do anything to directly oppose his power. His power and might suits the storyline based on its scale, whatever it is.
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My mistake, I thought this was a different thread. But please add some more to your posts then so they aren't just single sentences and words.
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Well i suppose saying necron was fucking cool was a bit spammy.
but like i said in previous posts
necron s certainly the most powerful cos he attempted to created a whole planet of nothing...now nobody else could do this, so thats is powerful in itself.As for auron...he was just kick ass and he was undead, so he coulden't really be killed by non-ff10 characters cos they wouldent know how to kill the bastard.
Buster Sword
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You said Goblez can't remember was talking about different dimensions, then you started talking about universes, and than I sad dimensions doesnt necessarily equate to a universe. And how big are these universes, did you read that?
Size means ALOT dude, because then you have just admitted that the Final Fantasy verses are just as big as a pocket verse, DC/Marvel verses have galaxies, and LOTS of them. Havingan ability one doesn't have doesn't necessarily make you more powerful, Sephiroth doesn't have omnislash, but he is still over Cloud. So they take orders from him, big deal, they're still watered down in Dissidia.
Buster Sword
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Having said that, whatever you feel about Chaos he is still nothing on comic top tiers hahahahaha, and I finally got you talking to me, loffle, so it's a win win for me Mako.
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Each dimension has the respective Final Fantasy universe within it. In this case, because each dimension has the world and universe of that Final Fantasy contained therein. And no, the size doesn't mean anything when we're comparing it within the context of the narrative which tells us they're all essentially the same size and equally lost to Chaos. We're not talking about the sizes of universes. That's not the topic. We're talking about which villain is the strongest. It's an irrelevant point you're bringing up. A strawman.
DC/Marvel doesn't mean shit here because we're not comparing Final Fantasy to Marvel or DC. And no, the villains are not watered down. There's no proof of that at all, especially considering their abilities and relationships to their respective heroes. Another irrelevant and meaningless point. The continuity of their abilities is kept in tact.
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Are you thinking of the same Necron? Necron didn't attempt to create anything. He just tried to kill the heroes and stated he would destroy all of existence because he saw Kuja try to shatter the crystal and thus, figured out life would be better off not existing.
And no, Unsent can be destroyed if killed. They are not immortal. If they're beaten enough and killed, eventually their "will" will break, and thus the pyreflies holding them together will have no choice but to scatter. He isn't immortal at all.
DC/Marvel doesn't mean shit here because we're not comparing Final Fantasy to Marvel or DC. And no, the villains are not watered down. There's no proof of that at all, especially considering their abilities and relationships to their respective heroes. Another irrelevant and meaningless point. The continuity of their abilities is kept in tact.
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Are you thinking of the same Necron? Necron didn't attempt to create anything. He just tried to kill the heroes and stated he would destroy all of existence because he saw Kuja try to shatter the crystal and thus, figured out life would be better off not existing.
And no, Unsent can be destroyed if killed. They are not immortal. If they're beaten enough and killed, eventually their "will" will break, and thus the pyreflies holding them together will have no choice but to scatter. He isn't immortal at all.
Buster Sword
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Size means everything dude, destroying a pocket verse isn't the same as destroying a universe. Not a strawman, you just want to see it that way because Chaos isn't as powerful as you make him out to be.
I brought up Marvel because you somehow think Chaos is omnipotent, I just brought your thoughts back and out of the clouds. Yes the heroes somehow needed a team to fight the villains, now they can solo them, yeah right.
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Well I think it's pretty obvious Chaos is the strongest. I don't see how it can be argued any more at this point. I seem to remember there being a Ultimania article about all this shit, which is why I even said what I did.
As far as DC and Marvel go, the status quo is always changing, fuck the goddamn Eternals had to get help from mutants not too long ago. So I don't see how that matters, or is even relevant to the conversation.
As far as DC and Marvel go, the status quo is always changing, fuck the goddamn Eternals had to get help from mutants not too long ago. So I don't see how that matters, or is even relevant to the conversation.
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"Necron decides to proceed with its original task to return all existence to a "zero world", a world where nothing exists and there can be no pain or sorrow. He is ultimately defeated by Zidane and company, yet vows that so long as life exists, so shall he."
that is a quote from wikipedia...fuck if i know its true or not, thats just what i read.
And about Auron....oh he sucks, but at least he drinks and may kick sephiroths bloody arsehole.
Buster Sword
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Not really tbh. But I just loved how Mako though Chaos was omnipotent lol.
Marvel and DC have omnipotent(s) and thats the end of that chapter.
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Whether the size of each universe in Final Fantasy is a pocket one or normal sized one is totally irrelevant because again...its to the scale of the narrative and multiverse of Final Fantasy as a whole. It's irrelevant. We're looking at Final Fantasy by itself. And whether you think he is or not is irrelevant because again...the facts of Dissidia show all of the villains not daring to take him on head on and obeying his orders and commands. They don't call him a god above all evil for nothing. You're not showing any facts to the contrary.
I said he was somewhat omnipotent because he clearly can see the past and present, and exists within two forms. Garland, and himself...Chaos. He exists in two entirely different time periods simultaneously. And I guess the fact the heroes are stronger in Dissidia and thus able to rise up and meet the challenge of evil as presented to them never crossed your mind. That's hardly indicative of any contradiction at all.
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The "Zero World" is a state where all existence is nothing. It's essentially a state or world of death. He isn't creating anything. He's destroying everything. We never even see him do that, nor do we know how he would do it, although one can infer that it would involve him destroying the Master Crystal.
I said he was somewhat omnipotent because he clearly can see the past and present, and exists within two forms. Garland, and himself...Chaos. He exists in two entirely different time periods simultaneously. And I guess the fact the heroes are stronger in Dissidia and thus able to rise up and meet the challenge of evil as presented to them never crossed your mind. That's hardly indicative of any contradiction at all.
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The "Zero World" is a state where all existence is nothing. It's essentially a state or world of death. He isn't creating anything. He's destroying everything. We never even see him do that, nor do we know how he would do it, although one can infer that it would involve him destroying the Master Crystal.
Buster Sword
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Size means alot, the more you try to ignore it, the more silly it sounds, FF has a multiverse thats the size of 10 solar systems, thats not even the size of one Marvel Galaxy. So it DOES matter if you are trying to put Chaos on Galactus level.
Dude, he is nowhere near omnipotent, end of story, can me talk about heroes now? Again being called a god means fuck all, there are omnipotents that aren't even called that, its justa title man. There's a Death in every Marvel universe, Multi death, so....
Heroes stronger, or villains gotten weaker?
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Having said that, night, it wass fun black man green eyes. *waves*
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Who the fuck cares if its not even the size of one Marvel galaxy? The topic is which villain is strongest. If within the context and scale of Final Fantasy, Chaos is the strongest because he's been shown capable of destroying and absorbing the 10 FF dimensions, which no other villain has done, then within Final Fantasy, he's the strongest. It's an irrelevant element. You totally missed the point of my analogy. I didn't say Chaos is Glactus. I said he's *like* Galactus. Analogous to him because they both devoured planets and universes. I never said Chaos was as strong or equal to him.
Again, he is. You again, are making claims with no reason or proof. If he's able to see into the past and also the present at the same time, yeah, he is to a degree. He isn't perfectly omnipotent but he clearly has more awareness than other villains. And if he's a fucking god who can undo and redo existence then clearly he's at a level no other villain in Final Fantasy is at.
And your point is rather meaningless. A hero or villain's strength is not a fixed variable that can never change. Their powers and abilities are consistent with continuity. There's no contradiction. Kefka has the power of the Warring Triad, Sephiroth has achieved Reunion and rebirth, ExDeath has power over the void, and Kuja can go Trance. Their powers are the same.
Again, he is. You again, are making claims with no reason or proof. If he's able to see into the past and also the present at the same time, yeah, he is to a degree. He isn't perfectly omnipotent but he clearly has more awareness than other villains. And if he's a fucking god who can undo and redo existence then clearly he's at a level no other villain in Final Fantasy is at.
And your point is rather meaningless. A hero or villain's strength is not a fixed variable that can never change. Their powers and abilities are consistent with continuity. There's no contradiction. Kefka has the power of the Warring Triad, Sephiroth has achieved Reunion and rebirth, ExDeath has power over the void, and Kuja can go Trance. Their powers are the same.
Buster Sword
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You actually care? Then don't compare them to Marvels then, that's all Im saying lol. I only brought up Marvel because you are over rating Chaos.Marvel > FF thank you. You agree he isn't on Marvel top tier level yet? Because you brought up the over-ratedness lol. No FF villain ever wins, so they dont really get the chance to do the fancy shit. If you think about it though, Existance > universes
Think about it. I didn't say anything of the sort, I said he is not on his LEVEL, nothing about him being Galactus. If you can just get that he isn't then Im dandy dude. You kinda did when you were saying he is nigh omnipotent, which even Galactus isn't.Saying he is omnipotent or even close is just silly. Seeing into the past and future is omniscience, not omnipotence. Not to a degree, if he isn't even Galactus level, then he has no hopes of being nigh omnipotent. Undo and redo what exactly? When did he do this then? lolz.
If they aren't at their peak, then they are watered down simple.
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I haven't been participating in most of this thread because I don't really care that much, but seriously. Buster, when you make an unfounded assertion that contradicts material in the games themselves, you need to bring up evidence that supports it. You're not simply right because you declare yourself to be right; no one has an obligation to prove your unfounded assertions wrong when the story itself indicates otherwise.
Beyond that, a lot of your most recent posts don't really even make sense to me
Beyond that, a lot of your most recent posts don't really even make sense to me
