New Pokemon Games:Pokemon X and Y is scheduled for the 3DS

[Gym Leader Devil]

Now that I like the sound of. Somewhat fewer of my Flying-types would be stuck spamming Fly for STAB if I could use this system you just described.

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

In Cut's defense, it's actually usually somewhat powerful for the point you get it in the game, it just gets outclassed by moar powerful moves later on. But Flash, Rock Smash, Defog, etc. all suck no matter where you are in the game.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Rock Smash has its place, my Sawsbuck rocked it for quite awhile. Admittedly, that's only because my Sawsbuck was caught as a Hidden Grotto Deerling and thus had Serene Grace, thus causing Rock Smash to ALWAYS lower the opponent's defense stat. That plus its power getting doubled in Gen IV (admittedly only bringing it up to a measly 40) gave it some possible use in battle, plus its not a bad move for anything rocking Technician as its ability.

Defog is just the worst though, at least for in-game use. Competitively, it gets rid of fucking Stealth Rock. And getting rid of Stealth Rock was just barely behind setting up Stealth Rock in the "things the meta-game is obsessed with" category back in Gen IV.

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

Defog can get rid of Stealth Rock? I guess it has some use then. Rock Smash isn't too useful if you don't have Serene Grace, since it only has 20 power, which is worse than your basic moves such as Pound and Tackle. Flash still sucks though.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

20 power? I'm sure I said this already, but just to be sure let's let the experts tell it:

In Generations II and III
The move damages the target and has a 50% chance of lowering the target's Defense.
Rock Smash has a base power of 20.

In Generation IV
Same as Generation II and III, but with a base power of 40 instead.

Admittedly, 40 is still pretty shit, but its enough of a boost to give it some viability. Especially with Serene Grace, since its a guaranteed nerf to the foes Defense that also does damage. Or, as I mentioned, with Technician to maybe gimp their Defense while at least getting a solid if not stellar hit in. I admit though, if Rock Smash were still a TM I'd loathe it just as much as I did back in Gen I just for being forced on me

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

20 power? I'm sure I said this already, but just to be sure let's let the experts tell it:



Admittedly, 40 is still pretty shit, but its enough of a boost to give it some viability. Especially with Serene Grace, since its a guaranteed nerf to the foes Defense that also does damage. Or, as I mentioned, with Technician to maybe gimp their Defense while at least getting a solid if not stellar hit in. I admit though, if Rock Smash were still a TM I'd loathe it just as much as I did back in Gen I just for being forced on me

Wait, they boosted it to 40? Damn, I need to start paying moar attention to this shit.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Yes they did, during Gen IV. It was just one of many things Gen IV did right, alongside such wonders as the physical/special split. I can pretty much never go back to the days when moves like Blaze Kick and Crunch were Special Attacks just because they were from "special" types. Especially since Dark is not a special type at all

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

Guys, the Fairy type has been confirmed, and it's Sylveon's type. Gardevoir, Marill, and Jigglypuff are also now all part fairy type. It's also super effective against Dragon. I'd provide links, but I can't since I'm on my 3DS.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

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Not sure how to feel about this. Kinda of the opinion that 17 elemental types was enough. Especially since they're retconning several existing mons into Fairy-types.

On the other hand, recent news is showing some other new stuff that sounds pretty cool. Sky-battles, battles taking place hundreds of feet off the ground where only Flying-types and Levitate-ers can participate. Gogoat isn't the only ridable Pokemon after all, someone can be seen riding a Ryhorn across rocky terrain in some recently released materials. And there is a new way to build friendship (or tear it down if you want to use Frustration as something other than a paperweight) called Pokemon-amie (cause Kalos is France, get it?) to play with an interact with your Pokemon in a sort of Nintendogs way.

So yeah, still getting this.

 

[jazzflower92]

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Not sure how to feel about this. Kinda of the opinion that 17 elemental types was enough.

Yes,face the powers of the fairies.

But on a serious note back in ancient and medieval times fairies were butch as heck.They are now more watered down and friendly these days but in the old times the fae were something to be feared.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

This is not new information to me Maybe if we're lucky Gamefreak will pay attention to some old-school faerie lore and we'll get something based on the really nasty fae. Like the Fachan, maybe, or some Fairy/Ground dual-type based on the Tommy Knockers.

 

[Mantichorus]

I have to agree the logic for Fairy types - "Dragons are too uber" - is kinda weak. So many non-Dragon types can learn either Dragon or Ice type moves that it's redundant, especially as Dragon type moves are only super effective against Dragons.

If the "opposites are strong against each other" theory regarding the Eevee family chart released shortly after Sylveon's reveal is accurate, then Electricity is probably strong against Fairy types. We can probably count on cold ironSteel types having an advantage, too.

E3 Roundtable:

Loving the multiple encounter mechanic, although it'll be frustrating as hell to catch just one of them. Talonflame looks cool, although I'm not too sold on the name. With Houndour wild too, I may forgo Fennekin. Of course, it all depends on what's available in what game, catch areas, etc.

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This is not new information to me Maybe if we're lucky Gamefreak will pay attention to some old-school faerie lore and we'll get something based on the really nasty fae. Like the Fachan, maybe, or some Fairy/Ground dual-type based on the Tommy Knockers.

Late last night and the night before,
Tommy Knockers, Tommy Knockers, knocking on my door...

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

I have to agree the logic for Fairy types - "Dragons are too uber" - is kinda weak. So many non-Dragon types can learn either Dragon or Ice type moves that it's redundant, especially as Dragon type moves are only super effective against Dragons.

Motherfucking THIS. If we really wanted to reduce Dragon's effectiveness, why didn't we just give Ice a resistance to them? Ice could have really used a resistance other than itself and we'd see more Ice-types lined up to take on Dragons for the STAB, rather than a ton of Water-types that know Ice Beam.

Also, speaking of Dragon-types what do you guys think of this new Noivern critter? Flying/Dragon so Ice will wreck it in a heartbeat, but it has a kickass design. All fruit bat/wveryn cross with loudspeakers for ears (what is it with monsters launching attacks out of their ears this gen?) I want one.

If the "opposites are strong against each other" theory regarding the Eevee family chart released shortly after Sylveon's reveal is accurate, then Electricity is probably strong against Fairy types. We can probably count on cold ironSteel types having an advantage, too.

I'll give you, Steel could use another type to do super effective damage on. Might even get them out of their "poor man's Fighting-type" image if this is true. Not sure how Electricity factors in though, justification-wise.

Loving the multiple encounter mechanic, although it'll be frustrating as hell to catch just one of them.

Agreed, and it'll be a godsend for people needing experience. Five enemies at once? Sign me up for the level up train.

Talonflame looks cool, although I'm not too sold on the name. With Houndour wild too, I may forgo Fennekin. Of course, it all depends on what's available in what game, catch areas, etc.

Houndour does kick all manner of ass, still gotta take Fennekin for tradition's sake. Whichever starter you pick, I'll trade ya a baby Fennekin or egg for one of your starter Talonflame is also interesting, looks like we have some Fire-options this time around. Sinnoh can suck it on that score

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Late last night and the night before,
Tommy Knockers, Tommy Knockers, knocking on my door...

I wanna go out don't know if I can,
Cause I'm too scared of the Tommy Knocker man...



Also, here's hoping for a Fairy/Dark dual-type to add to my collection.

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

I'm actually rather indifferent towards fairy being made a new type. I'm curious as to what other Pokemon are gonna have fairy added to the typing though, as I doubt Marill, Gardevoir, and Jigglypuff will be the only ones. I'm going to say almost definitely for Clefairy, Clefable, Wigglytuff and Azumarill, and probably for Snubbull and Granbull. Maybe for some other ones, such as Dunsparce and Cleffa, but only maybe. But I'm positive about Clefairy, Clefable, Wigglytuff, and Azumarilll, and fairly certain for Snubbull and Granbull. I also want to know if Dunsparce will be in X and Y.

 

[jazzflower92]

With how diverse the fairy lore is we probably we get some pokemon that are Fairy/Dark or Dark/Fairy dual types.Then again I would love seeing a cute fairy type giving a big tough dragon type a good smacking.I mean a lot of cute stuff in nature are actually fighters.I mean look at the rabbits in Watershipdown for instance.

 

[Mantichorus]

Motherfucking THIS. If we really wanted to reduce Dragon's effectiveness, why didn't we just give Ice a resistance to them? Ice could have really used a resistance other than itself and we'd see more Ice-types lined up to take on Dragons for the STAB, rather than a ton of Water-types that know Ice Beam.

Also, speaking of Dragon-types what do you guys think of this new Noivern critter? Flying/Dragon so Ice will wreck it in a heartbeat, but it has a kickass design. All fruit bat/wveryn cross with loudspeakers for ears (what is it with monsters launching attacks out of their ears this gen?) I want one.

I think the reasoning is that Fire and Fighting types are popular at competitive levels, which are two of Ice's big weaknesses (and to give Ice types a defensive buff goes against their type's imagery).

Noivern is awesome looking. It remains to see if its evo line and moveset will do it justice.

I'll give you, Steel could use another type to do super effective damage on. Might even get them out of their "poor man's Fighting-type" image if this is true. Not sure how Electricity factors in though, justification-wise.

Only justification I could figure is if we go with something along the lines of the Discworld explanation for the Fae's weakness to iron: it distorts an elctro-magnetic sensory apparatus. An electrical attack would have a similar effect to a flashbang.

However, the prevalent theory is that Fairy's will be weak against Poison. Makes sense to me in the meta sense - Poison is only strong against Grass types currently. Steel no-sells it, three types other than itself resist it, and Ground and Psychic attacks kill them. The "in-universe" explanation for the theory - that fairies bring life and goodness - rings hollow with me. Venomous is a good word for the classic Lords and Ladies.

Houndour does kick all manner of ass, still gotta take Fennekin for tradition's sake. Whichever starter you pick, I'll trade ya a baby Fennekin or egg for one of your starter Talonflame is also interesting, looks like we have some Fire-options this time around. Sinnoh can suck it on that score

Ha, thanks man. I'll stand by my motto though, that I won't decide until I've seen more about which Pokemon are wild in which version, what the gyms are like, and what the evo lines look like.

I'm positive about Clefairy, Clefable, Wigglytuff, and Azumarilll, and fairly certain for Snubbull and Granbull.

Clefairy and its line are a no-brainer, as a) it's in the name and b) with Jigglypuff, it made the main two Moon Stone evos in Gen I. And the move that Sylveon uses in the vid (can't remember its name) uses the moon, so it's likely that many Pokemon that evolve via Moon Stone will become part Fairy.

Snubbull is easy money, too, as it's species is the Fairy Pokemon.

Of course, we might see Dratini becoming a Dragon/Fairy type (which would fit its appearance).

 

[Geostigma]

Rumor season :>

 

[Mantichorus]

Spoiler: News

The first Gym Leader is called Viola in English, she's a Bug type expert.
Litleo, Fire/Normal type lion cub.
Flabébé, Fairy type. Seen riding a flower.

The "discarded" player character becomes one of your friends/rivals, along with:
Tierno, the big guy. Wants to create a team of Pokemon dancers.
Trevor/Toroba, the little guy (who, apart from height looks eerily like a younger me).
Shauna/Sana, "an incredibly energetic girl who's friendly and outgoing".

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

The first Gym Leader is called Viola in English, she's a Bug type expert.

This woman had better have a Kricketune or I will burn her Gym down.

Litleo, Fire/Normal type lion cub.

Oh my god, someone set that Shinx on fire!

Flabébé, Fairy type. Seen riding a flower.

New holder for the title of World's Smallest Pokemon, its tied with Joltik at 4" tall for height and Gastly at 0.2 pounds for weight

Also confirmed are a new Caterpie expy line in Scatterbug/Spewpa/Vivillon, a badass pistol shrimp Pokemon called Clauncher, and a weedy sea dragon called Skrelp that better be able to pass some good egg moves back and forth with Horsea's line.

 

[Mantichorus]

Not really X/Y related, but Twenty Greatest Pokemon Designs

Also, a list of all the stuff from E3, in case you missed anything. I'd personally missed the Player Search System, the confirmation of it remaining a single save (although you can import Pokemon from previous save files somehow), and the confirmation that Gogoat isn't the only ridable Pokemon.

Now some speculation: this Kotaku article suggests that Litleo might be National Dex no. 666, and that it might evolve into a manticore-type creature (if true, then I'll definitely have one on the team).

Also, there's some speculation that DLC will be used to provide access to older Pokemon, with a legendary arriving in a specific place, or triggering a swarm of otherwise unavailable Pokemon. Some people have expressed distaste at this - however, not all DLC is paid for, and such a thing already exists with Pokemon Global Link and Wifi events.

 

[Mantichorus]

A new Steel/Ghost type Pokemon, Honedge, has been revealed.

 

[Mantichorus]

Hoo boy. New trailer with Pokemon prof and new Pokemon, plus new villain team.

Info on Pokemon typings and some version exclusives

Spoiler: Legendary typings, Professor and villain team names

-Xerneas is pure Fairy type
-Yvetal is Dark/Flying type
-The Pokemon Professor is called Sycamore
-Team Flare (none of the teams names have really made sense, have they, excepting Magma/Aqua)

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Malamar_(Pokémon)

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pangoro_(Pokémon)

MINE. Now, just give me a Bug/Dark and a Dark/Electric family and I'll do a dance of joy.

Edit: Holy shit guys, I just looked to see if Yvetal had any new info now that we know it's Dark/Flying, and have you seen its ability?

Dark Aura: Dark Aura increases the damage dealt by Dark-type attacks for all Pokémon on the field.

I may actually have to use a Legendary for once.

 

[Super Mario]

Those two types contradict each other!! HOW THE HELL DO I BEAT THAT TYPE COMBO!!?!

 

[Clicky Person]

The dark/psychic? Both are weak to bug.