I'm not the only Rufus x Tifa fan !!
Y'know, people say Rufus/Tifa would be better for her, but other than his money, this is entirely a Draco in Leather pants thing.
I have to agree with this. SE made it originally to be optional.
I disagree. They made it originally to LOOK optional, but mean nothing. FF7's early plot is all based around the lies we tell ourselves, the illusion of choices, etc. and that extends to we, the player, too. Sephiroth's puppet line isn't just to Cloud, it's to us. Whatever choice we have, we too, must follow the plot.
I've seen some Cleriths say that all the evidence before the Compilation pointed toward Clerith being the intended couple... I'm curious. Do the Clotis here feel all the evidence pointed toward Cloti before the Compilation?
Not to be gauche, but yes. Because they killed one of the choices and hit us over the head with the connection to the other one and how that choice is the only person the hero actually has and they're actually fighting for each other and implied sex.
A lot of Clotis do. I thought that way, but now that I look at it as of late, perhaps it was meant to be optional originally. However, I think they focused more heavily on CT obviously and so it's no surprise to me that everything after FFVII has been pointing to Cloti. (imo of course)
Even the options in FFVII are short lived, and IMO, meant to be reconsidered in light of the big reveal of the big lie.
I guess what I mean is, is there any specific evidence in general that makes you think it was very Cloti in the beginning? Was it the Memorial Album or... just the way the game played out?
Yes. The game. To be brusque- killing Option A of a triangle does not narratively favor A as the selected member of that triangle, especially not when how much B means to the point of said triangle is emphasized shortly after, especially not at said point's lowest points.
Whatever choice there may have been was an illusion. The game makes that quite clear. You don't need the compilation or supplemental materials to know. You have to observe the game as a whole, not just disc 1. That makes no sense. It's like taking into account the first chapter of a book, and not the rest of it. It's an entire work, not just bits and pieces.
Hear Hear! Full contextual narrative analysis means the full context of the narrative!
Well there's all this.
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- Final Fantasy VII Potions
- Final Fantasy VII commercial
- FFVII: International disks
- Final Fantasy S Generation Official Best Collection Soundtrack
- Final Fantasy Canon Couples are similar to Cloud X Aerith
- The Final Fantasy Art Collection
I found it on a Clerith site.
The 'Coke Ads' were a Coke bag with Cloud, Squall, Rinoa and Aerith on it.
The Potions- wasn't their argument supposed to be something about how the cans were positioned? And wasn't it shown that the cans were arranged with Tifa next to Cloud too? I forget.
The commercial is A: A commercial, B: is wrong about other things like the 'hate that always was', and even if it wasn't C: A love that could never be DOESN'T HELP THEIR POSITION. IT MEANS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
FFVII International discs had Cloud, Sephiroth, and Aerith on the first three discs. The C/A argument for this is that she's on there as the love interest, which I find rather insulting, since it ignores her role as, y'know, an icon of the game for the more obvious reason.
Plus, you can also use this to argu Clephiroth.
The collection soundtrack uses an Old Amano art of Cloud and Aerith sitting back to back. And it's pretty art. But it's not romantic except under the standard 'Amano art pairings = Canon' canard.
Final Fantasy Couples aren't similar to Cloud and Aerith at all. The closest you're going to get to a FF hero who's like Cloud is Cecil, and Rosa really isn't Aerith like, nor does their relationship at all mirror the supposed CXA dynamic. I'll save everyone before I get into looking at every FF couple out there, but, yeah, no. Not happening.
I believe the compilation makes the obvious choices. The ones that provide the fullest experience. Like for example assuming you met Vincent and Yuffie even though they were optional, because they make for a fuller story. And likewise assuming the HA Highwind scene which is a fuller and a more resolved arc compared to the other option which is frankly just incomplete as opposed to being a parallel branch.
I think its obvious what the 'default' story was.
And even if it wasn't, it is now.
Did they say HOW by chance? I honestly don't know how any of those supported Clerith. Not saying they support C/T but I'm unfamiliar with them.
This seems to support C/T to me. There are some Clerithy things in there, but Tifa's card talks about her and Cloud's future. I'll c/p what I said in Faith.
I wanna point something out here. クラウドの持つ内面的なトラウマを解きほぐしていく
解きほぐして - that whole thing is the unravel part of the verb (which can also mean to relax someone). It ends in て which is te. And the next part is いく which is iku. When a verb ends in its te forum and iku follows it takes off from the present or another point in time and goes into the future. (
SOURCE) In other words, her complicated feelings that exceed childhood friendship not only helped Cloud in the lifestream but also go into the future and unravel his trauma there.
Well, the Te+verb form is generally the continuing tense of some sort ('Was holding,' 'is holding,' and 'will keep holding' for english examples) so, yeah. Tifa helped, and will continue to help, with her feelings that exceed Childhood feelings. In other words, her love.
So these feelings are pretty damn important to Cloud then
AND in the future to unravel all his trauma
(So perhaps I should have translated it as will unravel but I wasn't sure)
Now anyone who's more well versed in Japanese is free to tell me if I'm wrong about that and please do before I use it elsewhere
'will keep unravelling' since that implies a more continual process than a sudden future act.
Plus the memorial album is heavily C/T and although I'm not really sure if it should be used or not because it does contain errors it WAS supervised by Nomura. I'm kind of on the fence about it tbh. The Cloti in me wants to support it but on the other hand I realize it contains a lot of incorrect information. There's some C/T stuff in Dismantled as well. I think that one is a tad more Clerithy though... I'll give them that, but it's not completely devoid of C/T.
Wait, you include Dismantled, but want to discount Memorial Album because of 'incorrect information?' Even though Dismantled has also been made 'incorrect' in several places due to later released materials?
That's silly.
As is calling Dismantled 'Clerithy' because it really rather isn't. Cloud noting Aerith is special doesn't tell us much when everyone notices she's special. Cloud being sad about her death tells us nothing because well, we knew that already, AND everyone was sad about her death.
When Cloud's reaction to Aerith are just the same as Tifa's, then either Aeti is valid or it's not really Clerith. And Aerith's quote- be it honest comment or self affirmation as I still read it- does not mean a lick of anything because it says Cloud is utterly clueless.
I would also like to see a list of these. Just for my own education
Toy ads, the matched based models, guardian and summoner, dumb crap like that no one actually takes seriously because there was a case to be made in the text itself that didn't rely on external meaningless nonsense.
