Prometheus, Alien: Covenant, (and likely others)
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I mean, I'm not a doctor or anything, but I have a womb and going about with it sliced open isn't good. 
Plus if you want to get really technical, I didn't see any placenta being removed either...assuming there was one, there was a cord though :/
Plus if you want to get really technical, I didn't see any placenta being removed either...assuming there was one, there was a cord though :/
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They opened her womb with lasers, surely they can cauterize it closed with lasers and have no need to use silly things like stitches. 
As for the placenta/umbillical - There's still the question of how much like a normal fetal development 'Cuddles' ' development was, and how much it was just like a foreign object hanging out insider her. It's worth mentioning that the Deacon also had a little umbillical sac when it emerged from the Engineer.
As for the placenta/umbillical - There's still the question of how much like a normal fetal development 'Cuddles' ' development was, and how much it was just like a foreign object hanging out insider her. It's worth mentioning that the Deacon also had a little umbillical sac when it emerged from the Engineer.X
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All you need in space.
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I mean, I'm not a doctor or anything, but I have a womb and going about with it sliced open isn't good.
Plus if you want to get really technical, I didn't see any placenta being removed either...assuming there was one, there was a cord though :/
It could have also been an ectopic pregnancy and cuddles may have never been in her womb
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Interesting stuff: http://io9.com/5917639/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-design-of-prometheus
I should be getting my artbook soonish, and I'll post the info from it once I do.
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I should be getting my artbook soonish, and I'll post the info from it once I do.
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I don't remember Shaw getting her womb cauterized in the process but my memory is kinda hazy so I might be wrong. It does seem unrealistic though if the stitch remains intact after all the action she's been through afterward. 
But this doesn't really bother me as much as when she discovered the chamber where Weyland was, and everybody acted normally despite the fact that she was covered in blood. And with stitches on her lower abdomen. Maybe they were all preoccupied with the idea of paying the Engineer a visit?
But this doesn't really bother me as much as when she discovered the chamber where Weyland was, and everybody acted normally despite the fact that she was covered in blood. And with stitches on her lower abdomen. Maybe they were all preoccupied with the idea of paying the Engineer a visit?
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Octo
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I don't remember Shaw getting her womb cauterized in the process but my memory is kinda hazy so I might be wrong. It does seem unrealistic though if the stitch remains intact after all the action she's been through afterward.
But this doesn't really bother me as much as when she discovered the chamber where Weyland was, and everybody acted normally despite the fact that she was covered in blood. And with stitches on her lower abdomen. Maybe they were all preoccupied with the idea of paying the Engineer a visit?
Yeah, that was a bit odd. At first when David told her he said she should go into cryostasis for the trip home because 'nobody on the ship could perform the operation' and then the other docs/scientists were giving her sedatives to prepare her for cryo, but then she smacks them and escapes.
So it does seem odd to me that they didn't say to her 'get back in bed' or try to sedate her again or anything
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Here's my reasoning, though it's a bit roundabout:
From the recovered head, David learns that something with the Engineer has the cells in a state of generating into new cells. This could be related to a cure for Weyland, but it ends up rather disastrously by blowing the head apart. Weyland then makes him try harder. He then takes apart the Vase, and thinks that the liquid may be the answer he's looking for, but needs to test it. Holloway's frequently off of the ship, and making bold moves, which give him reasonable exterior reasons for infection. He also indirectly gets his permission by asking "How far would you be willing to go? What would you be willing to do to find your answers?" and gets the reply, "Anything & everything." which is just the sort of indirect permission he needs.
After that ends with Holloway essentially setting himself on fire, he's potentially back at square one, but he finds that Shaw has something interesting in her biology. He checks to see if she was already pregnant and this is a mutation, which it turns out not to be the case, it's an entirely new lifeform that's only 10 hours old - a VERY interesting development for his research. He attempts to have her put in stasis - probably as a backup in case they don't get answers with the Engineer. However, she knocks through Ford and her assistant, and runs off to the Medpod on her own. At this point, the Medpod will handle Shaw, and Weyland is being brought OUT of stasis and needs attention, which is why no one goes after her. I have no doubt they know where she went though.
I figure that this is the main reason for the crew's, "I am Jack's complete lack of surprise" reaction from the present crewmembers. Because Vickers personally hired some of the crew, (who I believe were the ones present), they had a unique set of priorities, which seem to have involved personally attending to Weyland when he was back. Also, if 'Cuddles' is still in the Medpod, David can study it later, which is really all he or Weyland cares about at this point. The only person who really seems to be empathic to the situation at all is Janek who doesn't want to bring anything back to Earth (but apparently doesn't know there's something growing in the Lifeboat).
From the recovered head, David learns that something with the Engineer has the cells in a state of generating into new cells. This could be related to a cure for Weyland, but it ends up rather disastrously by blowing the head apart. Weyland then makes him try harder. He then takes apart the Vase, and thinks that the liquid may be the answer he's looking for, but needs to test it. Holloway's frequently off of the ship, and making bold moves, which give him reasonable exterior reasons for infection. He also indirectly gets his permission by asking "How far would you be willing to go? What would you be willing to do to find your answers?" and gets the reply, "Anything & everything." which is just the sort of indirect permission he needs.
After that ends with Holloway essentially setting himself on fire, he's potentially back at square one, but he finds that Shaw has something interesting in her biology. He checks to see if she was already pregnant and this is a mutation, which it turns out not to be the case, it's an entirely new lifeform that's only 10 hours old - a VERY interesting development for his research. He attempts to have her put in stasis - probably as a backup in case they don't get answers with the Engineer. However, she knocks through Ford and her assistant, and runs off to the Medpod on her own. At this point, the Medpod will handle Shaw, and Weyland is being brought OUT of stasis and needs attention, which is why no one goes after her. I have no doubt they know where she went though.
I figure that this is the main reason for the crew's, "I am Jack's complete lack of surprise" reaction from the present crewmembers. Because Vickers personally hired some of the crew, (who I believe were the ones present), they had a unique set of priorities, which seem to have involved personally attending to Weyland when he was back. Also, if 'Cuddles' is still in the Medpod, David can study it later, which is really all he or Weyland cares about at this point. The only person who really seems to be empathic to the situation at all is Janek who doesn't want to bring anything back to Earth (but apparently doesn't know there's something growing in the Lifeboat).
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I don't know I can't get my head around that sentence
Temporarily I'm going to spoilertag my responses, I dunno if the people who havent seen it yet would rather start their own thread for speculation.
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Am I the only one who thought that, when David is looking at that hologram in the Engineer ship bridge showing the green line leading to Earth on the star map, that the other lines might be showing other places they created life?
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It would definately stand to reason that if the engineers created humans as guinea pigs for genetic material to create the xenomorphs then they would have also created life on other planets.
I mean after seeing the rate of growth in small areas within the series can you imagine planets FULL of xenomorphs?
I mean after seeing the rate of growth in small areas within the series can you imagine planets FULL of xenomorphs?
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My wife and I saw it today. Our feelings were pretty much the same, which surprised me since I've been watching these movies from early childhood, and she had only seen "Alien" (because I made her watch it a few weeks ago).
A lot of what we felt matches some of the shortcomings others have pointed out in here:
A lot of what we felt matches some of the shortcomings others have pointed out in here:
-It didn't live up to the trailers. They promised a horror movie. Especially with the deliberate allusions to the trailer for "Alien," so it was inevitably disappointing. It does manage to have that Lovecraftian sense of the unknown (perhaps unknowable), but it is not Lovecraftian horror like the original
-Too many characters. Would have benefitted from a smaller cast with a tighter focus on development. When you have just left the theatre and can only remember the two characters who gave their lives alongside the captain as "Asian guy" and "Asian guy's friend," the ball has been dropped somewhere
-Why do they bother with Vickers escaping the kamikaze run if she's just going to die a moment later without making any sort of relevant contribution between the one event and the other? This was poor plotting. If she had run back for Shaw and saved her, it would have felt like it had a place in the movie
-Despite pre-release claims from Ridley and Damon, the movie doesn't stand all that well on its own without "Alien"
-The script seemed like it was trying to do too many things and failed at doing most particularly well (e.g. the father-daughter sub-plot goes nowhere); I blame Lindelof being used to having a whole TV series to work with, where he was free to drop things for an entire season or more before coming back to them
We did agree that the performances were fantastic, though, especially Fassbender and Rapace.
I liked the exploration of the different manifestations of the Xenomorph and its related stages of development. Certainly did more of interest with that than any of the other movies did.
It was also one of the most beautiful-looking movies to ever be set in space. They made a barren planetoid enjoyable to look at. Well done there.
Overall, I liked it and consider it a worthy expansion to the mythology. As a spiritual successor to "Alien," though, it falls short.
-Too many characters. Would have benefitted from a smaller cast with a tighter focus on development. When you have just left the theatre and can only remember the two characters who gave their lives alongside the captain as "Asian guy" and "Asian guy's friend," the ball has been dropped somewhere
-Why do they bother with Vickers escaping the kamikaze run if she's just going to die a moment later without making any sort of relevant contribution between the one event and the other? This was poor plotting. If she had run back for Shaw and saved her, it would have felt like it had a place in the movie
-Despite pre-release claims from Ridley and Damon, the movie doesn't stand all that well on its own without "Alien"
-The script seemed like it was trying to do too many things and failed at doing most particularly well (e.g. the father-daughter sub-plot goes nowhere); I blame Lindelof being used to having a whole TV series to work with, where he was free to drop things for an entire season or more before coming back to them
We did agree that the performances were fantastic, though, especially Fassbender and Rapace.
I liked the exploration of the different manifestations of the Xenomorph and its related stages of development. Certainly did more of interest with that than any of the other movies did.
It was also one of the most beautiful-looking movies to ever be set in space. They made a barren planetoid enjoyable to look at. Well done there.
Overall, I liked it and consider it a worthy expansion to the mythology. As a spiritual successor to "Alien," though, it falls short.
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I really liked it. I have a lot of feeeeeelings for the original Alien and it was really fun seeing the callbacks.
I liked it more than "Aliens" in any case. I haven't seen anything in the series after that.
I honestly wish the movie was more focused on Dr. Shaw and her escape. That was the set-up that made Alien so enjoyable - the tense struggle between Ripley and the monster.
and everyone is lauding Fassbender but imo it was Noomi Rapace who stole the show.
Idris Elba is too handsome to exist oh my g o d.
Just a question though (since I haven't seen Aliens in a long time and haven't seen any of the others in the series) why was the facehugger at the end so huge???
I liked it more than "Aliens" in any case. I haven't seen anything in the series after that.
I honestly wish the movie was more focused on Dr. Shaw and her escape. That was the set-up that made Alien so enjoyable - the tense struggle between Ripley and the monster.
and everyone is lauding Fassbender but imo it was Noomi Rapace who stole the show.
Idris Elba is too handsome to exist oh my g o d.
Just a question though (since I haven't seen Aliens in a long time and haven't seen any of the others in the series) why was the facehugger at the end so huge???
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It kept growing at the accellerated rate that the lifeform was originally growing inside of Shaw - same idea on how the Chestburster gets so big so fast. Check my tl;dr link a little ways back for more detail.
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If nothing else, at least "Prometheus" does firmly establish
an alternate continuity from the AvP films with the different history to Weyland Industries.
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Sucks that they used idiots for directors to make the AVP films. I would've even managed to weave a better plot than they did had Prometheus come along B( to give the Xenomorphs and Yautjas a bigger and better background and all.
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I really think I must be the only person on this board who actually liked the avp movies.
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I'm still in two minds as to whether or not my liking of the rest of the series added or detracted from my enjoyment of this one.
Hrm.
Hrm.