SPOILERS Saying farewells to Jairus/Trying to make sense of it

[ultima espio]

It’s probably for the best this is forgotten and moved on from. It just gets worse the more you see, and he could be reading all this unable to reply...and his personal life is being aired out.

I liked his passion for the Avalanche trio though. He brought up some interesting ideas.

 

[Odysseus]

Yeah the rate this is going we're gonna turn into Kiwi Farms or something, let's just drop it now.

 

[Makoeyes987]

That's a pretty harsh comparison. I mean, having a laugh at the absurdity of the situation is a far cry from open derision, death threats and doxxing. I'm hoping we're not doing that, right? At the end of the day, he's going to live his best life and no amount of wishing, hoping or pleading is going to change him.

Anyways, I will say this. Obsessive behavior and fixation such as this thrives on the normalization, accommodation and ostracization others lend to the person exhibiting it. It unconsciously reinforces and emboldens their lifestyle and behavior, lending it credence and tacit support. The obsession serves as a shield and a barrier to push people away. And as shown by what happened here, an incrimentalist or gentle approach does absolutely nothing because it simply won't dissuade them from retreating inward and digging deeper into their new self made identity. At this point, they just don't see it as a problem. It's their security blanket. It's their method of coping with stress, anxiety or any other negative situation that they may find themselves in, and it's far more safe than anything else.

More than likely, they're not going to stop and we will see more of this in the future. Even with him being banned here, we'll be seeing him around in any space that's devoted to FFVII and where Jessie gets brought up. And it'll probably escalate, especially when Part 2 comes closer to release. This won't be the last we see of him. So we're just going to have to deal with it.

 

[Cat on Mars]

People laugh at eccentric indivuals all the time.
Is it moral or good? People have different opinions about that. The consensus, however, is that it's not a crime.

 

[Makoeyes987]

And at the end of the day, Jairus isn't even the worst that the FFVII fandom has given us in terms of obsessive fans.

At least he's never hurt anyone (to our knowledge).

Thankfully, FFVII fandom has never had another "Jenny-nova" or "Hojo." Those were an example of obsession crossing over into active harm. SY's and Jairus are mere oddities and annoyances compared to outright predators with delusional disorders.

...I wonder what it is about FFVII that attracts obsessive people, though?

 

[Cat on Mars]

Thankfully, FFVII fandom has never had another "Jenny-nova" or "Hojo." Those were an example of obsession crossing over into active harm. SY's and Jairus are mere oddities and annoyances compared to outright predators with delusional disorders.

That was a way to scam people using FFVII as hook, nothing else.
There's been a lot of scams like that one in the last decade, from cartoons to videogames. Google is your friend.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Oh, It definitely was a scam, but I don't think it's necessarily precludes them from ever actually holding those delusional beliefs at the same time. Either they were the most dedicated method actors who should probably have devoted that energy to theatre or Hollywood, or they just were scummy delusional individuals who wanted to live their best life at the expense of others. Either way, that speaks to large degree of dysfunction that is centered around a dysfunctional relationship and obsession with FFVII as a whole.

 

[Odysseus]

If I recall, those people set up in different fandoms to pull the same thing again

 

[Makoeyes987]

They moved on, yeah. And that's actually typical of obsessions.

As dedicated or devoted someone may become towards an obsession, they inevitably suck it dry and move onto the next object of fixation. The obsessions changes with time, because they're essentially a reflection of the desire to escape reality and seek novelty.

 

[Cat on Mars]

Google Jennifer Cornet, Michelle Belanger or Father Sebastian. This isn't about FFVII only. We have many exceptional individuals in this fandom but it's far from the exception, most fandoms are like that.
Ever heard about Vampire: The Masquerade cults in the 90s?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Wow, that's nostalgic. Yeah, I remember that controversy. Yeah, that's a good point about fandom. Every fandom has their obsessive types.

 

[KindOfBlue]

I have no idea who/what these people are but I’m sure I’m in for a treat when I look into it. I imagine a dedicated “happenings”/“drama” thread would probably be in poor taste, but I’m sure I’ll learn about the more colorful characters of this fandom as time goes on. I’ve been a FF7 fan for about four months now and so far it’s been...enlightening to say the least. It’s mostly endearing to see how much passion people have for this franchise but, well, as a wise ex-soldier once said...“get help.”

 

[Odysseus]

I have no idea who/what these people are but I’m sure I’m in for a treat when I look into it. I imagine a dedicated “happenings”/“drama” thread would probably be in poor taste, but I’m sure I’ll learn about the more colorful characters of this fandom as time goes on. I’ve been a FF7 fan for about four months now and so far it’s been...enlightening to say the least. It’s mostly endearing to see how much passion people have for this franchise but, well, as a wise ex-soldier once said...“get help.”

Here's a summery of the FF7 relevant one

 

[Torrie]

Here's a summery of the FF7 relevant one

Thanks for sharing it. It's the first time I've ever heard of those people. The further I watched, the more appalled I was at how harmful and destructive one's obsession may become, especially topped with obvious mental issues. Sure we all experience fanaticism to some extent because it's either an outlet for whatever emotions we need to let out, or a substitution for situations we'd like to be involved in, but self-awareness is crucial, and its absence and the level of fixation on particular ideas make me so so sad.

 

[looneymoon]

iirc didn't someone come onto this forum in attempt to seek the people responsible for that debacle? and it was vaguely suspected that they may have been involved somehow? that was a whole other mess.

...I swear I am not about about spreading a toxic Internet gawking, but also fuck those guys.

 

[Cat on Mars]

Here's an abridged version of the video posted above.

For anyone interested, here's the whole story. It's a long read.
If you don't like reading, here's a dramatic reading of the event:

Spoiler: 2 part video

Now I'm going to do my thing and post cursed images in this thread.

Spoiler: Jennifer Cornet circa 2000

Spoiler: Jennifer Cornet circa 2016 and then

Jennifer Cornet aka Jenova, Tattlecrime, Sephiroth, Syndrome, Kuja, President Shinra and many other alias. She's been involved with the Hannibal fandom and generated yet another scam with her Tatle-crime group. She does (or did, they might have expired) have warrants out for her arrest in the states of Pennsylvania and Arizona.
And there's more, but this is the important stuff people should know. She's a serial scammer and changes names all the time. The "Final Fantasy House" story is so insane that needs to be known. Many people have no clue about it and that's how these scams happen, with unsuspecting people.

 

[Ite]

...if Jairus is Username, I'm going to explode.

 

[Master Bates]

Okay, I didn't want to join in this Jairus discussion or whatever because I can't deal with that right now but yesterday when I was looking for Tifa fanarts on twitter (don't have a twitter account, btw, so I don't know exactly how twitter works except for the basic search), I saw Jairus arguing with Tifa fans in a Tifa thread and I just... why?! Why does it feel like he's everywhere?!

Then I read the latest posts in this thread and I'm utterly stunned to see how deep this rabbit hole goes. With my mental and emotional state right now, I didn't need to know all of this. It's actually scaring me for a reason. I just want to fan in peace. But my curiosity is also killing me and now I kinda want to dig a little more at the expense of my sanity. Idk, idk... this incident is so confusing to me, my mind can't wrap itself around it.

 

[Glaurung]

Okay, I didn't want to join in this Jairus discussion or whatever because I can't deal with that right now but yesterday when I was looking for Tifa fanarts on twitter (don't have a twitter account, btw, so I don't know exactly how twitter works except for the basic search), I saw Jairus arguing with Tifa fans in a Tifa thread and I just... why?! Why does it feel like he's everywhere?!

Then I read the latest posts in this thread and I'm utterly stunned to see how deep this rabbit hole goes. With my mental and emotional state right now, I didn't need to know all of this. It's actually scaring me for a reason. I just want to fan in peace. But my curiosity is also killing me and now I kinda want to dig a little more at the expense of my sanity. Idk, idk... this incident is so confusing to me, my mind can't wrap itself around it.

The facts aren't going anywhere. Wait until you are good and ready. Until then, distance yourself from any drama.

@Thread: And, because my stupidity can sometimes get the better of me, yesterday I had half a mind to intervene on Twitter. Thank goodness I stopped myself, remembering all the times I ended up burning after being too nice to the wrong person.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Experience brings wisdom, Glaurung.
"Least said, soonest mended" is a really good maxim to live by, I find.
Unfortunately, I too often forget that.

 

[Master Bates]

The facts aren't going anywhere. Wait until you are good and ready. Until then, distance yourself from any drama.

@Thread: And, because my stupidity can sometimes get the better of me, yesterday I had half a mind to intervene on Twitter. Thank goodness I stopped myself, remembering all the times I ended up burning after being too nice to the wrong person.

I already started on the video Ody posted and I couldn't really finish it so there's that. Turned it off when I was halfway through the vid and thought I can't take anymore of this shit. Nope, not dipping my toes into that toxic waterhole. Definitely keeping those words in mind.

Also gotta thank our innate self-preservation instinct. Mine is telling me to run away.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Okay, I didn't want to join in this Jairus discussion or whatever because I can't deal with that right now but yesterday when I was looking for Tifa fanarts on twitter (don't have a twitter account, btw, so I don't know exactly how twitter works except for the basic search), I saw Jairus arguing with Tifa fans in a Tifa thread and I just... why?! Why does it feel like he's everywhere?!

Then I read the latest posts in this thread and I'm utterly stunned to see how deep this rabbit hole goes. With my mental and emotional state right now, I didn't need to know all of this. It's actually scaring me for a reason. I just want to fan in peace. But my curiosity is also killing me and now I kinda want to dig a little more at the expense of my sanity. Idk, idk... this incident is so confusing to me, my mind can't wrap itself around it.

This is what I meant by him not going anywhere.

It's pretty wild to think about, but he's not going to give up, nor is he going to tone it down. He may not be here, but you and everyone are going to be experiencing this dude stanning for Jessie in the most irrational and just plain obnoxious ways possible for as long as that character fixation exists within his mind.

Just...Try not to let him ruin the character or story for you. That's the best thing you can do.

I literally have to stop myself from thinking, "I swear if I hear her fucking name one more goddamn time..." And try to detach the baggage from the character.

 

[KindOfBlue]

Just finished that 40-minute video about the FF7 house and...wow. Just wow.

 

[Master Bates]

This is what I meant by him not going anywhere.

It's pretty wild to think about, but he's not going to give up, nor is he going to tone it down. He may not be here, but you and everyone are going to be experiencing this dude stanning for Jessie in the most irrational and just plain obnoxious ways possible for as long as that character fixation exists within his mind.

Just...Try not to let him ruin the character or story for you. That's the best thing you can do.

I literally have to stop myself from thinking, "I swear if I hear her fucking name one more goddamn time..." And try to detach the baggage from the character.

Definitely not. I'll love FFVII for what it is, Jairus or no Jairus. But I'd be lying if I say it's not affecting my enjoyment as a fan. There were times when I wanted to talk about Jessie here after Remake's release but refrained from doing so because I just KNOW Jairus will hijack the conversation, which unfortunately made me feel lukewarm to any topics involving her. It's... sad. Now when I'm looking for fanarts (and Remake news) on twitter I feel apprehensive when I click on posts involving the Avalanche trio (and I dare not click on anything that has Jessie in it). Yeah, it's not just that one Tifa thread. He's also in some posts that has the Avalanche trio in them, even saw him demanding SE for more Avalanche trio (specifically Jessie) to prove to the fans SE actually likes these characters. I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist of his post IIRC; tbh, I was no longer paying much attention to what he's writing in his posts. In a few instances, saw him trying to subtly suggest to Tifa/Aerith fan artists to 'maybe do Jessie next time' (i.e., it's nice, but can you do Jessie?) or something. From what I saw, it seems to me he has made a reputation for himself in twitter as I saw some users call him 'that Jessie stan' or something similar.

I'm a bit relieved I don't have a twitter account because I swear I was so close to just telling him to fuck off. He wasn't even talking to me, but I felt like I was being harassed given the number of times I accidentally encountered his account in twitter while innocently scouring for fanarts and FFVII news. It's not even about the quantity of his posts that I have a problem with; it's their content. Again, I don't want to have to do anything about this matter with Jairus as I don't even know what he's up to outside of twitter, but he sure seems like a veritable presence in twitter. And this is from someone who does not have twitter. I think I'm going to take a break from fanart hunting for a while.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

He has sixteen followers on twitter. Even I have more than that. I wouldn't worry.