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[Tashasaurous]

This kind of sums up all your feelings in every post in the history of everdom.

I just don't understand: why are you so deadset on being disappointed by this game? There are a lot of us, unarguably with our reservations about the game and its impact on the world compilation, but we're still holding out hope that it's going to do good. A lot of us appreciate the time and effort SE is putting into actually fulfilling our 13-year long wish (because for Gods sake that's when AC/CoFFVII was announced and we thought it was building up to this back then) but you, and nothing to hold against you or anything, you just want to be disappointed by this. It's in the subtext of your text when you can't really find a valid argument anymore and I ask: why? Why can't you enjoy what they're doing for you, as a fan of the original?

Because I never wanted a remake in the first place. I wanted a new title of the FFVII and a remake of Before Crisis, and I thought for a long time it was point clear that the remake would never happen and that a new title of the FFVII series was more likely.

And the way things are going for the company, and it's not the case that I want to be disappointed, because I don't want to be disappointed, but just know I'm going to be disappointed, and the way things were going to me, especially last year, I had mostly nothing but disappointments,

The way you went out of your way to find the slightest reason to condemn the remake as already ruined despite everyone's explanations of the contrary and not even acknowledging some of the counterarguments sure make it seem like you want to be disappointed.

Just because you didn't want a remake doesn't mean you have to hate it just for existing. Like I said before, whatever we're getting is going to be a complete, coherent narrative, which is something the compilation isn't. We were never told there'd be anything more to the compilation than we got and it's not that unusual for games to hint at plots that never happen like what got you so convinced there'd be a title set after DoC. For all we know, we actually will get something equivalent to that nonexistent sequel, whether as part of the remake or as another game afterwards. Just because it's in a different form than you were expecting doesn't mean you should hate it. Let yourself enjoy the remake and whatever compilation references are in it. Give it a fair chance.

Tash, it feels like you're not even listening to most of the responses to your posts.

I was trying to point things out, but I keep on getting pointed out. Plus, it's painfully obvious that I'm the only one who was crushed by Square's decisions to do a remake.

People are responding to your comments with logical answers and explanations, then you go on as if those don't matter or weren't said, forcing them to keep doing it until you either listen or they get fed up with your apparent refusal to have an actual discussion about it. I had to reference past posts just because you went on about the same things I already addressed as if I hadn't even said anything.

I was, but I keep on hoping that someone would agree with me, but like I said, my thinking and judgement are ridiculously backwards.

Only have myself to blame for being stupid. Plus, I check up on Wikipedia, but I might as well just give up on it because it's another untrustworthy place now, since no one's updated in the "Compilation of Final Fantasy VII" section to even at least say, "However, there's no new information on said ideas for future titles yet" or something along the lines.

I'm just one of those stupid types who hates cliff-hangers and it's my own fault for that. Not to mention that I've been waiting for years, and now it's driven me insane and I'm really sorry for that.

TASHA: SQUARE ENIX NEVER SAID THERE WON'T BE A SEQUEL

STOP SAYING THERE WON'T BE A SEQUEL. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. NOBODY KNOWS THAT.

It's just a gut feeling. Plus, Nomura and everyone else aren't getting any younger.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

It's as many people have said before, Tasha: The best chance for a post-Dirge title happening is that this remake is well received. We won't know what to expect until the remake comes out and we see how well it sells/how favorable the reviews it gets are.

 

[Tennyo]

TASHA: SQUARE ENIX NEVER SAID THERE WON'T BE A SEQUEL

STOP SAYING THERE WON'T BE A SEQUEL. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. NOBODY KNOWS THAT.

It's just a gut feeling. Plus, Nomura and everyone else aren't getting any younger.

Then someone else in the company will make it.

Also, I don't believe in psychics so I can't say I trust your gut feeling.

 

[Channy]

TASHA: SQUARE ENIX NEVER SAID THERE WON'T BE A SEQUEL

STOP SAYING THERE WON'T BE A SEQUEL. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. NOBODY KNOWS THAT.

It's as many people have said before, Tasha: The best chance for a post-Dirge title happening is that this remake is well received. We won't know what to expect until the remake comes out and we see how well it sells/how favorable the reviews it gets are.

Pretty much this. Nomura had said that he wanted the compilation to go on for at least 20 years (since the original release of the game). We are still within that 20 year period and near the tail end that the remake is finally being made. And yeah, it took us 13 years to get here from the announcement of the compilation but it's finally here.

Square has obviously done some restructuring of staff if they took Nomura to focus on other projects when he had too much going on his plate. Nomura, of anyone in SE is the most supportive of the compilation. If the remake does as well ass everyone knows it will, there's a good chance that a sequel will get announced and some fans will finally get that closure.

Or who knows; maybe at the end of the remake there's an additional video released, at least providing something post DoC. Nobody knows what will happen.

 

[Tashasaurous]

It's as many people have said before, Tasha: The best chance for a post-Dirge title happening is that this remake is well received. We won't know what to expect until the remake comes out and we see how well it sells/how favorable the reviews it gets are.

....I guess so.

TASHA: SQUARE ENIX NEVER SAID THERE WON'T BE A SEQUEL

STOP SAYING THERE WON'T BE A SEQUEL. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. NOBODY KNOWS THAT.

It's just a gut feeling. Plus, Nomura and everyone else aren't getting any younger.

Then someone else in the company will make it.

Also, I don't believe in psychics so I can't say I trust your gut feeling.

Fair enough, though most gut feelings are never wrong.

TASHA: SQUARE ENIX NEVER SAID THERE WON'T BE A SEQUEL

STOP SAYING THERE WON'T BE A SEQUEL. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. NOBODY KNOWS THAT.

It's as many people have said before, Tasha: The best chance for a post-Dirge title happening is that this remake is well received. We won't know what to expect until the remake comes out and we see how well it sells/how favorable the reviews it gets are.

Pretty much this. Nomura had said that he wanted the compilation to go on for at least 20 years (since the original release of the game). We are still within that 20 year period and near the tail end that the remake is finally being made. And yeah, it took us 13 years to get here from the announcement of the compilation but it's finally here.

Square has obviously done some restructuring of staff if they took Nomura to focus on other projects when he had too much going on his plate. Nomura, of anyone in SE is the most supportive of the compilation. If the remake does as well ass everyone knows it will, there's a good chance that a sequel will get announced and some fans will finally get that closure.

Or who knows; maybe at the end of the remake there's an additional video released, at least providing something post DoC. Nobody knows what will happen.

I don't remember hearing Nomura saying that. All I remember is that the Compilation will end in 2017 which is next year, which is also the 20th Anniversary of the original game(not to mention 30 years since the very first Final Fantasy game came out).

I'm just losing hope, so I'm in a mess here.

 

[Roger]

Well, I assumed that he's young, because he has to be a year older than Zack who is two years older than Cloud, and since Cloud was 21 in the original game and remake, Reno has to be 24.

That only explains why he's no younger then 24, doesn't explain he's no older in your mind. And he was still de facto third in command of the Turks in Before Crisis, he'd have been like 17 there. Nothing says he can't be older then Cid but seemingly ageless in appearance like Tseng.

Beyond that I'd like to say I'm not completely against your opinions, Tasha. A final installment to the Compilation IS looking less likely now, with Genesis becoming more and more of distant memory, to say nothing of by the time the final VII REmake episode is out. Because amongst all these ports and remasters and remakes, Crisis Core is still PSP only. It'd have worked just as well on the PS4 as Type-0 and they were never even planning to release that in any form outside of Japan at all. We, the fandom, had no qualms about making SE our bitch on that score, as I recall.

They coulda just put it on the PSN store like so many other games but because some conflict or other (heard it had something to do with the rights to the "Why" song os something like that), it's not getting the fair chance it could've had, given VII's popularity.

 

[Tashasaurous]

That only explains why he's no younger then 24, doesn't explain he's no older in your mind. And he was still de facto third in command of the Turks in Before Crisis, he'd have been like 17 there. Nothing says he can't be older then Cid but seemingly ageless in appearance like Tseng.

Actually, Before Crisis begins a year just after Crisis Core begins, so in the beginning of Before Crisis(and in the Episode of Reno), Reno would be 18 by then, because during the Midgar Genesis Siege where the robots go all crazy and at the same time Genesis clones attacks midgar, Zack's 17.

Reno got his position as Thid in command of the Turks is more likely because he had better leadership skills to be Tseng's Second in Command than anyone else.

Beyond that I'd like to say I'm not completely against your opinions, Tasha. A final installment to the Compilation IS looking less likely now, with Genesis becoming more and more of distant memory, to say nothing of by the time the final VII REmake episode is out. Because amongst all these ports and remasters and remakes, Crisis Core is still PSP only.

Annnnnd I'm right back to square one: No hope of having a final sequel to the Compilation.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I'm not seeing why another sequel is any more unlikely based on what you said in your post, Minato, than it is based on what Tasha has been saying (e.g. the erroneous appeal to brainstorming about an undeveloped 20-year outline from an executive who is now irrelevant).

 

[Roger]

Reno got his position as Thid in command of the Turks is more likely because he had better leadership skills to be Tseng's Second in Command than anyone else.

But he's not. He's Reno. TEENAGE Reno. A lot of the newer recruits they were bringing in were older and had experience in this area or that. And Legend was still around too. Cissnei was more together in Crisis Core then Reno then at any point in his life.

Annnnnd I'm right back to square one: No hope of having a final sequel to the Compilation.

You are welcome.

I'm not seeing why another sequel is any more unlikely based on what you said in your post, Minato, than it is based on what Tasha has been saying (e.g. the erroneous appeal to brainstorming about an undeveloped 20-year outline from an executive who is now irrelevant).

A final installment to the Compilation seems unlikely. The Remake will spawn other VII universe entries, absolutely, but I don't imagine they'd be about dealing with Genesis and Weiss. Not if the Remake, is gonna be it's own thing rather then pay lipservice to the Compilation. Not saying that it should, mind you. I personally don't massively like Genesis. Though I suppose a Dirge of Cerberus remaster can still happen to introduce this stuff to new gamers on next gen consoles.

 

[Tashasaurous]

But he's not. He's Reno. TEENAGE Reno. A lot of the newer recruits they were bringing in had experience in this area or that. And Legend was still around too. Cissnei was more together in Crisis Core then Reno then at any point in his life.

Well, no one really knows Reno's background. For all we know, despite that he's the only Turk in history who doesn't wear the uniform properly, he was taken in when he was possibly 14 or 15, and despite being lazy, he takes his job with pride and is quite a fast learner, so even as a teenager, he was already leading up to superior mode. Same with Rude, who is three years older than him, but for some reason, they chose Reno to be Third in Command even at a young age.

I mean, look at Cissnei. She was taken in from the Orphanage and became the youngest person to join the Turks, and she's most likely Cloud's age, yet she's one of the most successful Turks out. So when it comes to jobs in ShinRa, once they hit fourteen, age doesn't matter.

Annnnnd I'm right back to square one: No hope of having a final sequel to the Compilation.

You are welcome.

Is that supposed to make me happy that the Compilation is left with no more titles?

 

[Roger]

Well, no one really knows Reno's background. For all we know, despite that he's the only Turk in history who doesn't wear the uniform properly, he was taken in when he was possibly 14 or 15, and despite being lazy, he takes his job with pride and is quite a fast learner, so even as a teenager, he was already leading up to superior mode. Same with Rude, who is three years older than him, but for some reason, they chose Reno to be Third in Command even at a young age.

OR, he's closer to the Reno we actually see on screen, but has been working with Tseng in the Turks for a while by the time Before Crisis Core becomes around. And again, Rude's age here is again your headcanon only.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

A final installment to the Compilation seems unlikely. The Remake will spawn other VII universe entries, absolutely, but I don't imagine they'd be about dealing with Genesis and Weiss. Not if the Remake, is gonna be it's own thing rather then pay lipservice to the Compilation.

But again, we have no reason to think that, particularly in light of Nomura saying the remake will serve to smooth over some of the disconnects players have complained about between the original and the Compilation.

Well, no one really knows Reno's background. For all we know, despite that he's the only Turk in history who doesn't wear the uniform properly, he was taken in when he was possibly 14 or 15, and despite being lazy, he takes his job with pride and is quite a fast learner, so even as a teenager, he was already leading up to superior mode. Same with Rude, who is three years older than him, but for some reason, they chose Reno to be Third in Command even at a young age.

And his position could have been bought with his daddy's money. Or on his knees. Or he could have gotten it after pulling the President out of a burning chocobo before it exploded.

None of which matters in discussions of verifiable facts, which your claims about Reno and Rude's ages aren't, despite you phrasing them as facts.

 

[Tashasaurous]

OR, he's closer to the Reno we actually see on screen, but has been working with Tseng in the Turks for a while by the time Before Crisis Core becomes around. And again, Rude's age here is again your headcanon only.

Are you saying that Reno's actually 34 and Rude's in 40's and Tseng's in his 50's?

And their ages(Reno: 24, Rude: 27, Tseng: 29-Maybe) are not my headcanon.

 

[Roger]

Are you saying that Reno's actually 34 and Rude's in 40's and Tseng's in his 50's?

And their ages(Reno: 24, Rude: 27, Tseng: 29-Maybe) are not my headcanon.
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Reno being 26 in Crisis Core/Before Crisis, 32 in FFVII and 34 in AC seems perfectly fine to me. Because they did make Cid 31 and they did apply old man tropes to him, I'd say Reno ought to be a bit younger but independently those ages would be fine.

 

[Tashasaurous]

Are you saying that Reno's actually 34 and Rude's in 40's and Tseng's in his 50's?

And their ages(Reno: 24, Rude: 27, Tseng: 29-Maybe) are not my headcanon.
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Reno being 26 in Crisis Core/Before Crisis, 32 in FFVII and 34 in AC seems perfectly fine to me. Because they did make Cid 31 and they did apply old man tropes to him, I'd say Reno ought to be a bit younger but independently those ages would be fine.

No, No, NO. Reno is NOT older than Cid. It's the other way around. Reno being in his 30's already in FFVII and in AC is NOT okay.

Reno is NOT ten years older than Zack. He is around his age(I stay a year older than Zack makes more perfect sense), and he IS in his twenties. It's Tseng who is in his thirties.

If Tseng was in his 40's, then Elena, who is in year 20's, has a crush on a guy who is twenty years older than her and I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that, because it is not true.

Plus, Reno isn't 32 stuck in a 24 year old's looks. Vincent's the one who is in his 60's but stuck in a 27 year old's body. Reno is 24 in FFVII and 26 in AC.

 

[Roger]

Reno being in his 30's already in FFVII and in AC is NOT okay.

WHY?

Reno is NOT ten years older than Zack. He is around his age(I stay a year older than Zack makes more perfect sense), and he IS in his twenties. It's Tseng who is in his thirties.

Reno and Zack are both junevile, I can see that. But Zack got his rank because he was genetically enhanced and was in the few who qualified for this program and came out of it that strong (actually since Sephiroth, Genesis, Angeal weren't really born human, Zack is utterly unique even within SOLDIER), whatever background you envision for Reno, he definitely does not have that. If he also just as green as Zack, his attidute becomes unearned.

If Tseng was in his 40's, then Elena, who is in year 20's, has a crush on a guy who is twenty years older than her and I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that, because it is not true.

I haven't said anything about Tseng needing to be in his 40s. But he does have a crush on teenage Aerith, when he is definitely not a teenager.

Plus, Reno isn't 32 stuck in a 24 year old's looks. Vincent's the one who is in his 60's but stuck in a 27 year old's body. Reno is 24 in FFVII and 26 in AC.

But Reno does not have looks that can only be described as a 24 year olds. Nor did pre-experimentation Vincent have looks that can only be described as 27 year olds. Sephiroth died in his early 20s, he looks older then pre-experimentation Vincent. Or AC Cloud for that matter. But he's definitely not.

Gackt portrays Genesis, he's way older then Genesis is in DoC.

 

[Tashasaurous]

Reno being in his 30's already in FFVII and in AC is NOT okay.

WHY?

Because according to the Final Fantasy VII time-line, Reno was born in the same year as Rufus who, canon-wise via the Case of ShinRa, is 24/25 in FFVII.

Reno is NOT ten years older than Zack. He is around his age(I stay a year older than Zack makes more perfect sense), and he IS in his twenties. It's Tseng who is in his thirties.

Reno and Zack are both junevile, I can see that. But Zack got his rank because he was genetically enhanced and was in the few who qualified for this program and came out of it that strong (actually since Sephiroth, Genesis, Angeal weren't really born human, Zack is utterly unique even within SOLDIER), whatever background you envision for Reno, he definitely does not have that. If he also just as green as Zack, his attidute becomes unearned.

If Tseng was in his 40's, then Elena, who is in year 20's, has a crush on a guy who is twenty years older than her and I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that, because it is not true.

I haven't said anything about Tseng needing to be in his 40s. But he does have a crush on teenage Aerith, when he is definitely not a teenager.

No, but he is five years older than both Rufus and Reno, so he isn't that much older.

Plus, Reno isn't 32 stuck in a 24 year old's looks. Vincent's the one who is in his 60's but stuck in a 27 year old's body. Reno is 24 in FFVII and 26 in AC.

But Reno does not have looks that can only be described as a 24 year olds. Nor did pre-experimentation Vincent have looks that can only be described as 27 year olds. Sephiroth died in his early 20s, he looks older then pre-experimentation Vincent. Or AC Cloud for that matter. But he's definitely not.

Yes he does, if you look more closely are his AC self, because they at least fixed up on how old he actually is.

...Unless you strongly believe the Original game is the ONLY game that's canon and every other title in the series just Square's fanfics, which in reality, the Compilation Titles(every, single, one, of, them) are in fact canon.

 

[Roger]

Angeal dies before Crisis Core's first minor timeskip, when Zack makes his appearance in Before Crisis with the Buster Sword. He was 23, tops. Tell me you see that just by looking at his face.

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[Tashasaurous]

Angeal dies before Crisis Core's first minor timeskip, when Zack makes his appearance in Before Crisis with the Buster Sword. He was 23, tops. Tell me you see that just by looking at his face.

Zack was 16 in the beginning of Crisis Core which began 7 years before the original game. Before Crisis took place 6 years before the original game. Angeal died just after Zack turned 17, and during the Nibelhiem incident, which took place five years before the beginning of the original game, Zack was 18 by then, and Reno was 19 in both during that, in Crisis Core and in Before Crisis.

Appearences at this point don't mean a thing.

Both events happened at the same time once the Wutai War was over, which was a year later after the beginning of Crisis Core, and shortly before the events of Before Crisis.

Thus, Zack is 23 in the time of the original game.

Do you want their ID to prove their age to you or something? I'm sorry about being angry, but most other people believe Reno and the other Turks are in their twenties and Tseng is only five years older than Reno.

 

[Octo]

If Tseng was in his 40's, then Elena, who is in year 20's, has a crush on a guy who is twenty years older than her and I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that, because it is not true.

Out of interest how old are you Tash? Cos it is very possible to have crushes on people 20 years older than you or even more. It happens.

In any case you have a fixed idea of the age gaps between the turks, we've got very little to go on regarding their canon ages. For all we know Reno, Rude and Tseng could all be late 20's in the OG.

 

[Roger]

Angeal dies before Crisis Core's first minor timeskip, when Zack makes his appearance in Before Crisis with the Buster Sword. He was 23, tops. Tell me you see that just by looking at his face.

Zack was 16 in the beginning of Crisis Core which began 7 years before the original game. Before Crisis took place 6 years before the original game. Angeal died just after Zack turned 17, and during the Nibelhiem incident, which took place five years before the beginning of the original game, Zack was 18 by then, and Reno was 19 in both during that, in Crisis Core and in Before Crisis.

Appearences at this point don't mean a thing.

Both events happened at the same time once the Wutai War was over, which was a year later after the beginning of Crisis Core, and shortly before the events of Before Crisis.

Thus, Zack is 23 in the time of the original game.

Do you want their ID to prove their age to you or something? I'm sorry about being angry, but most other people believe Reno and the other Turks are in their twenties and Tseng is only five years older than Reno.

I was talking about Angeal. Zack, Cloud, Cissnei, needed to be depicted from teenage to early twenties with the same in game model, the liberties they took because of that were warranted.

Angeal died before all of that, they only had to portray him at 22-23ish. The images I posted are what they went with.

 

[Tashasaurous]

If Tseng was in his 40's, then Elena, who is in year 20's, has a crush on a guy who is twenty years older than her and I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that, because it is not true.

Out of interest how old are you Tash? Cos it is very possible to have crushes on people 20 years older than you or even more. It happens.

I'll be turning 24 on the 2nd of September this year, so at the moment, I'm 23 years old(which makes me the same age as both the original Sailor Moon anime and the Disney version of Aladdin's first movie), and this has nothing to do with mixing my age with the ages of the Turks.

I know you won't believe me, but this is my actual age.

In any case you have a fixed idea of the age gaps between the turks, we've got very little to go on regarding their canon ages. For all we know Reno, Rude and Tseng could all be late 20's in the OG.

Um, Octo? Didn't you read up about Rufus's age and the fact that he and Reno were both born in the same year?

 

[Tashasaurous]

Angeal dies before Crisis Core's first minor timeskip, when Zack makes his appearance in Before Crisis with the Buster Sword. He was 23, tops. Tell me you see that just by looking at his face.

Zack was 16 in the beginning of Crisis Core which began 7 years before the original game. Before Crisis took place 6 years before the original game. Angeal died just after Zack turned 17, and during the Nibelhiem incident, which took place five years before the beginning of the original game, Zack was 18 by then, and Reno was 19 in both during that, in Crisis Core and in Before Crisis.

Appearences at this point don't mean a thing.

Both events happened at the same time once the Wutai War was over, which was a year later after the beginning of Crisis Core, and shortly before the events of Before Crisis.

Thus, Zack is 23 in the time of the original game.

Do you want their ID to prove their age to you or something? I'm sorry about being angry, but most other people believe Reno and the other Turks are in their twenties and Tseng is only five years older than Reno.

I was talking about Angeal. Zack, Cloud, Cissnei, needed to be depicted from teenage to early twenties with the same in game model, the liberties they took because of that were warranted.

Angeal died before all of that, they only had to portray him at 22-23ish. The images I posted are what they went with.

I wasn't talking about Angeal, because I know that he was in his 20's. Otherwise he wouldn't be regarding Zack as a Puppy(or secretly, off-screen, as his own son).

 

[Roger]

I wasn't talking about Angeal, because I know that he was in his 20's. Otherwise he wouldn't be regarding Zack as a Puppy(or secretly, off-screen, as his own son).

Are you listening? Angeal is 22-23, Zack is 16-17, they both joined SOLDIER out of admiration for Sephiroth who is in his own right a young man. Them having a father-son relationship despite not even being close to a generation apart, Angeal just recently being of drinking age is ridiculous. Angeal does not look his age. Nor does Sephiroth. Nor did Cid, as mentioned. Reno's face in Advent Children is not evidence, even if it unquestionable was intended to be 26 year olds at the time. And it is questionable.

 

[Tashasaurous]

I wasn't talking about Angeal, because I know that he was in his 20's. Otherwise he wouldn't be regarding Zack as a Puppy(or secretly, off-screen, as his own son).

Are you listening? Angeal is 22-23, Zack is 16-17, they both joined SOLDIER out of admiration for Sephiroth who is in his own right a young man. Them having a father-son relationship despite not even being close to a generation apart, Angeal just recently being of drinking age is ridiculous. Angeal does not look his age. Nor does Sephiroth. Nor did Cid, as mentioned. Reno's face in Advent Children is not evidence, even if it unquestionable was intended to be 26 year olds at the time. And it is questionable.

Actually, Angeal does look his age to me. I was more arguing the fact that you believe that Reno is in his 30's instead of in his mid 20's, which he actually IS in his 20's, along with the other Turks...except for most of the BC Turks, because Legend I think has to be in his 30's. Katana, well, probably close there as well.

And Veld/Verdot is the oldest Turk in being most likely in his 50's or 40's(though 40's in unlikely) or early 60's. Like Reno and Cissnei, Tseng was taken in at a young age and has been within the Turks for more than 10 years, so Tseng's in his early 30's in AC, and Reno is 26, because he's three years older than Cloud who by that time is 23.