Scenes you expect to see in HD

[Octo]

I'll be turning 24 on the 2nd of September this year, so at the moment, I'm 23 years old(which makes me the same age as both the original Sailor Moon anime and the Disney version of Aladdin's first movie), and this has nothing to do with mixing my age with the ages of the Turks.

I know you won't believe me, but this is my actual age.

But I do believe you. I don't think your mixing your age with those of the Turks but I think your age has a bearing on whether or not you find Elena having a crush on a much older person believable or not. In any case it doesn't really matter much.

Um, Octo? Didn't you read up about Rufus's age and the fact that he and Reno were both born in the same year?

Can you point me in the direction of that information? I remember a while back the FFVIIwikia (I think it was) stated in their timeline dates for Rufus and Reno's births but it turned out to be inaccurate.

EDIT: was it here you read that? It also lists Rude's birthyear but whoever compiled that timeline was making shit up http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII/Timeline

 

[Tashasaurous]

I'll be turning 24 on the 2nd of September this year, so at the moment, I'm 23 years old(which makes me the same age as both the original Sailor Moon anime and the Disney version of Aladdin's first movie), and this has nothing to do with mixing my age with the ages of the Turks.

I know you won't believe me, but this is my actual age.

But I do believe you. I don't think your mixing your age with those of the Turks but I think your age has a bearing on whether or not you find Elena having a crush on a much older person believable or not. In any case it doesn't really matter much.

Well, Elena having a crush on someone who is at least ten years older than her, that I can cope with, because I know there are people who get married despite the nine/ten/eleven year gap. (My grandparents are the example before they both died). I can tolorate with that, because it's not that much of a gap.

But any older than that...I'm sorry, that's just too gross.

Um, Octo? Didn't you read up about Rufus's age and the fact that he and Reno were both born in the same year?

Can you point me in the direction of that information? I remember a while back the FFVIIwikia (I think it was) stated in their timeline dates for Rufus and Reno's births but it turned out to be inaccurate.

EDIT: was it here you read that? It also lists Rude's birthyear but whoever compiled that timeline was making shit up http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII/Timeline

Yeah, that's the site, and worse comes to worse, we can fix it up to make it more sense if we want to. I definately know Reno is nowhere near in his 30's just yet, and Rude is at least three years older than him and the two do share a close brotherly bond.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Making stuff up is not fixing it, Tasha.

 

[Roger]

Yeah, that's the site, and worse comes to worse, we can fix it up to make it more sense if we want to. I definately know Reno is nowhere near in his 30's just yet, and Rude is at least three years older than him and the two do share a close brotherly bond.

It makes all the sense in the world, but if it ain't canon don't barrage me as though it is.

 

[Tashasaurous]

Making stuff up is not fixing it, Tasha.

That's true, but that doesn't mean Reno and the other current Turks are in their mid 30's either. But Reno is certainly much younger than Sephiroth who is a bit older than Tseng, maybe by just a few years maybe.

 

[Roger]

Making stuff up is not fixing it, Tasha.

That's true, but that doesn't mean Reno and the other current Turks are in their mid 30's either. But Reno is certainly much younger than Sephiroth who is a bit older than Tseng, maybe by just a few years maybe.

The timeline as we know it that is canon DID make Sephiroth needlessly young. There is no way they can get away with using adult Tseng model in the scene with 7 year old Aerith if Tseng is younger then Sephiroth. I do not accept that. Tseng is more then a couple of years older then Sephiroth.

 

[The G'randiest' Daddy]

Well, Elena having a crush on someone who is at least ten years older than her, that I can cope with, because I know there are people who get married despite the nine/ten/eleven year gap. (My grandparents are the example before they both died). I can tolorate with that, because it's not that much of a gap.

But any older than that...I'm sorry, that's just too gross.

My parents were 17 years apart, and there was nothing gross about it. Other people, or in this case fictional characters in a fictional universe, can have any preference imaginable, sooo...

Edit: also, until square actually and officially says who was born when, speculation will get us just about nowhere.

 

[Tashasaurous]

Making stuff up is not fixing it, Tasha.

That's true, but that doesn't mean Reno and the other current Turks are in their mid 30's either. But Reno is certainly much younger than Sephiroth who is a bit older than Tseng, maybe by just a few years maybe.

The timeline as we know it that is canon DID make Sephiroth needlessly young. There is no way they can get away with using adult Tseng model in the scene with 7 year old Aerith if Tseng is younger then Sephiroth. I do not accept that. Tseng is more then a couple of years older then Sephiroth.

Crisis Core fixed things up, because the original game's models were super old they didn't have the technology to show facial expressions in PS1 era at the time. PSP era certainly did. Thus, it makes more sense that Sephiroth is the one who is a bit older than Tseng.

As I said, Tseng is five years older than Reno(who is in fact 24 in the OG and Remake), and Aerith died when she was 22 years old.

 

[Octo]

Reno is not 'in fact' 24. They have not given him a birthdate. Nor is Tseng '5 years older'

 

[Teioh]

Edit: also, until square actually and officially says who was born when, speculation will get us just about nowhere.

Things were a lot simpler back when all I knew was that Rufus was around the same age as that one guy bitching about it in Costa del Sol

But I wish I could thank you and Octo's posts more cus as someone who has had crushes on people 20+ years older than me, well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Octo]

^Me too

 

[Roger]

That's true, but that doesn't mean Reno and the other current Turks are in their mid 30's either. But Reno is certainly much younger than Sephiroth who is a bit older than Tseng, maybe by just a few years maybe.

The timeline as we know it that is canon DID make Sephiroth needlessly young. There is no way they can get away with using adult Tseng model in the scene with 7 year old Aerith if Tseng is younger then Sephiroth. I do not accept that. Tseng is more then a couple of years older then Sephiroth.

Crisis Core fixed things up, because the original game's models were super old they didn't have the technology to show facial expressions in PS1 era at the time. PSP era certainly did. Thus, it makes more sense that Sephiroth is the one who is a bit older than Tseng.

As I said, Tseng is five years older than Reno(who is in fact 24 in the OG and Remake), and Aerith died when she was 22 years old.

The original game models aren't the problem. Vincent was in the coffin for 23 years, as of the original game. This we know. As in, Zack's age. Now Zack and Sephiroth can hardly be the same age, so let's say Lucretia and Vincent's stuff happened when Sephiroth was 4. Any older and him not remembering Nibelheim gets really dumb. Crisis Core itself corrobates this, Sephiroth/Genesis/Angeal were born just over 20 years ago. So Sephiroth was about 12 when Tseng was talking to Aerith's mom.

You can afford these ages even more leeway then I already have (cause obviously Vincent's flashback was suppose to take place around Sephiroth's birth, we all know this), but I don't see a model where that scene makes sense, where Tseng being a Turk, much less getting assigned that incredibly important to Shinra Inc.'s job makes sense and Tseng is still younger then Sephiroth.

 

[RedFFWolf]

Well, if we're on the discussion of older men, scenes in HD, and that certain date events happen to have taken place in the OG - oh, forget it, I'd have to request a self-ban if I continued


@Tasha
I know it's too easy and without substance to simply say don't fret about the remake but, you know, we all have worries directed at some aspect of this remake - heck, I know I'm gonna be so anxious with how they treat Nanaki and a lot more of all the 9 playable folk

But there's little than can be done or said until the time it comes out or enough details emerge to form some image of its direction; even then, it won't attain near enough justification until the disc is in the console and it's played from start to finish. Hard to imagine liking everything, but some changes could end up growing on us - and the only way to enjoy these things, especially if they seem so alien at first, is to go in without a negative expectation. And yet, going in with too much of a positive one doesn't help either if some things dearer to you just cannot match expectation.

So, just take it as it comes; don't compare with previous installments; and allow yourself to not expect disappointment - some parts may be inevitable, but going in with the predisposition is only going to cloud judgement and continue to grow unnecessary worry until that time. SE have made gems, and they've made content worthy of burying, but they have learned from these - at least, certain interviews have said so (discussions pertaining to FFXV, if I'm not mistaken?). But, again, let's not jump to anything just yet. And in the end, if everything about it just can't match up, treasure the OG as the one that matters. We don't know if FFVII:R will be as good as the OG, just as we don't know if SE want to end FFVII's legacy with that game. We all have our worries, but here we're happy to talk about the aspects we are hopeful about and look forward to seeing - so let's just focus on that, especially given the aim of this thread.

I know from previous posts that you've had similar sentiments on other projects, such as KHIII, and you've brought up stuff about your past leaving you with these worries and so forth. I appreciate your worries, so feel free to PM me if you want to get anything else off your chest or just want to talk about anything else of this

 

[ForceStealer]

Nomura had said that he wanted the compilation to go on for at least 20 years (since the original release of the game).

I don't remember hearing Nomura saying that. All I remember is that the Compilation will end in 2017 which is next year, which is also the 20th Anniversary of the original game(not to mention 30 years since the very first Final Fantasy game came out).

You're both wrong here. Nomura said nothing of the sort. Yoichi Wada said the Compilation would last 20 years from the original's release. But he is no longer the president of the company, and he sucked at it while he was, what he said has no meaning. I don't know why people continue to take that as gospel.

And quit making things up about people's ages and calling it canon. Granted, you've been making things up this entire thread.

 

[Channy]

Nomura had said that he wanted the compilation to go on for at least 20 years (since the original release of the game).

You're both wrong here. Nomura said nothing of the sort. Yoichi Wada said the Compilation would last 20 years from the original's release. But he is no longer the president of the company, and he sucked at it while he was, what he said has no meaning. I don't know why people continue to take that as gospel.

And quit making things up about people's ages and calling it canon. Granted, you've been making things up this entire thread.

Somebody said it. I thought it was Nomura but my mistake. Wada's not really in my SE-rolodex since he effed up and left.

 

[Tennyo]

I don't think Wada left. He was kicked out.

 

[ForceStealer]

Well, kicked upstairs to be most precise. He wass on the board and unable to represent the company, then he left.

Amusingly, Wikipedia lists his current position as President of Shinra. I approve.

 

[Tennyo]

So Wada is still technically with SE?

 

[ForceStealer]

Tangentially, yes? He was in charge of that Shinra Technologies cloud-based service. Although I seem to remember hearing that got shut down, so maybe he isn't anymore?

 

[Tennyo]

It did get shut down yes.

Anyway, back on topic:

Can't wait for the Whirlwind maze when Cloud basically has his break-down and gives the black materia to Sephiroth. Just played through that again the other day and it is probably one of my favorite parts of the game.

 

[Tashasaurous]

Reno is not 'in fact' 24. They have not given him a birthdate. Nor is Tseng '5 years older'

Well they can't be in their mid 30's either. Other people have been saying that the Turks are around in their 20's in the OG and in AC.

Edit: also, until square actually and officially says who was born when, speculation will get us just about nowhere.

Things were a lot simpler back when all I knew was that Rufus was around the same age as that one guy bitching about it in Costa del Sol

But I wish I could thank you and Octo's posts more cus as someone who has had crushes on people 20+ years older than me, well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I still say the Turks are around in their 20's in OG and in AC, not during CC and BC. It's not right.

Well, if we're on the discussion of older men, scenes in HD, and that certain date events happen to have taken place in the OG - oh, forget it, I'd have to request a self-ban if I continued


@Tasha
I know it's too easy and without substance to simply say don't fret about the remake but, you know, we all have worries directed at some aspect of this remake - heck, I know I'm gonna be so anxious with how they treat Nanaki and a lot more of all the 9 playable folk.

But there's little than can be done or said until the time it comes out or enough details emerge to form some image of its direction; even then, it won't attain near enough justification until the disc is in the console and it's played from start to finish. Hard to imagine liking everything, but some changes could end up growing on us - and the only way to enjoy these things, especially if they seem so alien at first, is to go in without a negative expectation. And yet, going in with too much of a positive one doesn't help either if some things dearer to you just cannot match expectation.

So, just take it as it comes; don't compare with previous installments; and allow yourself to not expect disappointment - some parts may be inevitable, but going in with the predisposition is only going to cloud judgement and continue to grow unnecessary worry until that time. SE have made gems, and they've made content worthy of burying, but they have learned from these - at least, certain interviews have said so (discussions pertaining to FFXV, if I'm not mistaken?). But, again, let's not jump to anything just yet. And in the end, if everything about it just can't match up, treasure the OG as the one that matters. We don't know if FFVII:R will be as good as the OG, just as we don't know if SE want to end FFVII's legacy with that game. We all have our worries, but here we're happy to talk about the aspects we are hopeful about and look forward to seeing - so let's just focus on that, especially given the aim of this thread.

I know from previous posts that you've had similar sentiments on other projects, such as KHIII, and you've brought up stuff about your past leaving you with these worries and so forth. I appreciate your worries, so feel free to PM me if you want to get anything else off your chest or just want to talk about anything else of this

Well, as much as I'd like to treasure the OG, I also want to always treasure the Compilation as much as anyone else.

But I'll PM when I feel up to it, so thanks for the offer.

Nomura had said that he wanted the compilation to go on for at least 20 years (since the original release of the game).

I don't remember hearing Nomura saying that. All I remember is that the Compilation will end in 2017 which is next year, which is also the 20th Anniversary of the original game(not to mention 30 years since the very first Final Fantasy game came out).

You're both wrong here. Nomura said nothing of the sort. Yoichi Wada said the Compilation would last 20 years from the original's release. But he is no longer the president of the company, and he sucked at it while he was, what he said has no meaning. I don't know why people continue to take that as gospel.

And quit making things up about people's ages and calling it canon. Granted, you've been making things up this entire thread.

Yeah, I thought Nomura didn't say anything about that. But I also remember an article on Wikipedia(unless that's just another site that tells nothing but lies) that the Compilation would continue until 2017, and Wada did say this, even if he's no longer President. But no one else anything else about it beyond that or even at least offically state that no one has plans to continue it or if they will continue it, leaving it to people to come up with their own conclusions or just continuously wonder what is happening with the Compilation and it's a great big mess that needs to be solved, or else everyone's(including me) will continue to go stir crazy with this.

Well, kicked upstairs to be most precise. He wass on the board and unable to represent the company, then he left.

Amusingly, Wikipedia lists his current position as President of Shinra. I approve.

So Wada is still technically with SE?

Tangentially, yes? He was in charge of that Shinra Technologies cloud-based service. Although I seem to remember hearing that got shut down, so maybe he isn't anymore?

The ShinRa Gaming was also HQ in New York or somewhere along the lines in America before it shut down, last I recall. Had a feeling it wouldn't last long, because the gaming programs they showed wasn't as impressive as other gaming companies, including Square Enix.

 

[Starling]

There's no concrete reason why the Turks can't be in their mid 30s in the OG. Saying you don't think it's right or that other people think that's how it is doesn't cut it. In Reno's case, it actually makes more sense for him to have been at least 20 by the time he became Tseng's second in command or whatever. After all, he'd have to have had a few years of experience to warrant that.

 

[Tennyo]

May I ask why it's so wrong for characters to be in their 30's?

 

[Tashasaurous]

There's no concrete reason why the Turks can't be in their mid 30s in the OG. Saying you don't think it's right or that other people think that's how it is doesn't cut it. In Reno's case, it actually makes more sense for him to have been at least 20 by the time he became Tseng's second in command or whatever. After all, he'd have to have had a few years of experience to warrant that.

But FFVII is not like the real world, so even teenagers get huge promotions not because of their age, but because of what they do in their work.

And if Reno was 20 by the time he became Second in Command, then it's been a year after the Nibelhiem incident, because by the time the Rookie Turk came out of Comatose after three years, it was the same year when Zack escaped with the comatose Cloud from ShinRa Manor, Reno's be turning 24 around the time FFVII starts.

Or, to try and make this more simple, a year after the Nibelhiem incident, that's when Veld leaves after he discovers his daughter his still alive, which at that time, the rookie Turk falls into comatose, and Tseng is promoted as Director, bumping Reno into second, which makes him turning 20.

Three years later, rookie Turk wakes up, in that same year, Zack and Cloud escape, and Reno by then would be turning 23. Since Zack had to return to Midgar on foot after the motorcycle he used was taken back by ShinRa while he was busy fighting Genesis, it took a year to get from Banora Ruins to Midgar, and that time, within that year, Reno turned 24.

 

[Roger]

But FFVII is not like the real world, so even teenagers get huge promotions not because of their age, but because of what they do in their work.

That makes them being teenagers a possibility, that doesn't mean it's simply not right for them to be anything more then teenagers. And again, SOLDIER isn't the same thing, those are genetically enhanced superhumans. The Turks are just a bunch of guys and women.