Scenes you expect to see in HD

[Clement Rage]

AC forced everything else to be consistent with it re combat.

I have no great issues with either scene, they met the needs of different games. Zack as protagonist versus Zack as side character. And they aren't all that inconsistent, it's not that hard to stretch the battle sounds into a longer engagement. Five minutes of gunfire and sword sounds that the player couldn't do anything about would be boring. Also, that scene could easily have been at the end of a long running battle for all we know.

The over the top reaction to Zack makes perfect sense, by now they've learned that a rogue 1st Class SOLDIER is bad news, Genesis copies have killed hundreds of people all over the world, Angeal's probably the same, Sephiroth destroyed an entire town.

A setting where you accept that an elite special forces unit successfully uses swords as their primary weapon requires some level of superhuman abilities. There's plenty of that in the OG. How many cliffs does Cloud fall off onto stone and survive (Nibelheim Mountains at least twice (completely unhurt beyond 'skinned knees' once, and this is before any enhancements.) He falls off the plate and is instantly combat ready after being knocked unconscious. He falls hundreds of feet off the Corel tracks and is fine. He falls into the bowels of the earth, and washes up half a continent away, mentally messed up but physically fine.

HP and MP counts only take you so far, otherwise being stabbed in the Back with the Buster Sword would have done about 100HP damage before Sephiroth turns around and cuts Cloud in half.

It's just a matter of personal taste, not an objective problem IMO.

specially if you let more than 3 survive but have those be the ones who linger to make sure Zack's dead before leaving

Isn't that what did happen? We get that shot of the helicopter flying away.

 

[Starling]

They screwed up with Cloud who's face now looks more like Lightning and a woman than himself. They changed Barret's look which sucks, and nothing so far even comes close to even a tiny bit of content from the Compilation titles.

See my earlier post about how they did not screw up Barret. Quite the opposite, actually. As for Cloud, all they did was make his face a little less rounded and suddenly his design is ruined? Really? Lightning was inspired by Cloud from the beginning and even then, he actually looks less like her now compared to his compilation look.

Spoiler: Cloud

Spoiler: Lightning

 

[Mayo Master]

Spoiler: On CC vs OG stuff

My problem with this are two-fold :
A.) the entire VR thing in CC is much like the ridiculous technological gap between the prequel Star Wars films and the original.
That VR thing does not belong in the FFVII universe.
B.) It's entirely consistent with the non-VR fight-scenes you see in the game and other compilation titles like AC.

I actually agree with you on the fact that the VR setting is technologically inconsistent with the OG, and I dislike this inconsistency.

To which my reply would be - Maybe that's something they should have considered before making that game to begin with.

Nobody forced them to ret-con the original game, or write a story that would demand such a thing.

If we accept that Cloud is standing in for Zack in the Nibelheim flash-back, then Zack should have been relatively weak - weaker in fact than Cloud by the beginning of the original.
With that being the case, they should have just written the entire story to fit around that, and designed the game-play around that again.

Not doing this make CC an perfect example of the "DBZ problem" which riddles most Japanese shonen media -
I.E the more you overpower your heroes, the more ridiculous you need to make their challenges in order to create tension, but once you've powered up your heroes to a certain point you start writing yourself into plot-hole corners because the ordinary scenarios usually associated with story-telling revolving around overcoming physical obstacles become obsolete due to the ridiculous nature of your cast.

That's why I loath this kind of fighting in fiction. People who can practically fly and cut concrete in half are not supposed to get killed by generic soldiers, thrown into prison, or cornered in elevators period.
Yet, that's what happens, because unless you plan on making ever enemy in the hero's way a super-villain in their own right, that's what normal story-telling looks like.

I'm not convinced that's a valid point. If you consider the physical prowess that the characters can pull off during fights in the OG, you end up with the same kind of inconsistencies. Or it would rely on the convention that "fighting scenes" and "story scenes" follow 2 separate sets of laws, which IMO is flawed.
As for the notion that Zack (a seasoned SOLDIER would managed to reach 1st class, which is pretty elitist) should weaker during the Nibelheim flashback than Cloud at the beginning of the OG (with a history of being a Shinra grunt, and then a long coma), IMO that would not make sense.

"Deserved" based on what? He's not a real person.
Whatever he deserves is determined by what role he serves in the story. His original death, like a lot of the deaths in FFVII, is short and brutal. I would say that serves a much more important, significant, and indeed realistic point than an overly dramatic "Soldier's death".

After all, Zack was a person who dedicated his life to working for the Shinra, which by all accounts, thematically represents something quite horrible - a private military complex that terrorizes people for the greedy ends of its share-holders.
I'd argue that Zack's death in the original is karma - an example of the fates of people who get entangled with Shinra.

IMO Zack deserved to end with a bang because he's the main protagonist of a story where you see him grow, become more badass, and strives to behave selflessly and heroically. IMO it is more rewarding for the people who got attached to him as a character that he dies with a heroic last stand, Boromir-style.

As for Zack dying because of karma... I think that the concept of karmic-death is very irrelevant in FF VII considering the fates of many characters (Aerith, Biggs/Wedge/Jessie, Reeve, the Turks...)

And as I said - Do you really expect me to run you through every scene I consider cringeworthy in that game?
I've provided you several examples to give you an idea of what I consider styles that fall under that term.
If you still don't get it, that might be a short-coming on my part, but I'm getting a feeling it might also be because you haven't actually bothered to look at what sort of aesthetical choices and trends of cinematography and writing run through those scenes, and whether they are representative of the rest of the game, because you don't agree with the underlying argument to begin with, because you personally don't have a problem with any of the scenes I've already mentioned?

If the latter is the case, this is wasted argument. It's a matter of taste ultimately. I just don't like overly polished, and overly dramatic "cool" things.

Well, you've mentioned the VR, and the ending. I'm not a fan of the VR scenes because they're technologically inconsistent with the OG, and they're a bit too gratuitously over-the-top.
As for the ending, I personally have no problem with it.
Now, I'm not convinced that the VR scenes are representative of the whole mood of the game, while you seem to have the opposite impression.

The reason OG is "cool" and CC is not, is because the OG shows restraint most of the time when it comes to its serious elements, and when it doesn't, it just as often tempers it with camp as when it provides the pure drama.
CC does not do such a thing, and you know it.

Or maybe I don't because I'm a dumbass

Except that you're now changing my argument and moving the goal-post.
We were specifically talking about the action sequences at the point you refer to here. You can't cancel out the enormous stylistic differences in the OG story scenes featuring displays of strength or acrobatics, by pointing to silly side-quests.

I could just as well then raise you silly main-quests from the OG story-line, like dressing Cloud up as a woman, having Nanaki wear a sailor uniform, jumping on a dolphin.

CC has humor in it - it does not however have anywhere close to the same level of camp as the original so I still think that's a moot point.

You really want to make the argument that stylistically speaking the OG and CC has more in common than not?
Or that the balance between over-the-top "kewl" stuff in CC is anywhere remotely close to that of the OG?

I personally think that the OG and CC have more in common that things that oppose them.
Besides the VR sequences and the ending, I'm still not sure that in CC there's such an overloading display of ridiculously-over-the-top action feats in story cutscenes. And I've felt the same vibe of humor in CC as in the OG, maybe less often, but still there, even during the events of the main story.
But eh, I'm not going to convince you, you're not going to convince me, and I don't find much point in getting sour about it. Meaning, I'm done talking about it.

 

[Tashasaurous]

Which is why I had hoped that they would continue the Compilation or at least remake Before Crisis, but then again, with Nomura, whatever he says means the complete opposite.

And in regards from what I've been learning each time with the FFVII remake, it feels more of a reboot than connecting and somewhat re-fixing the storyline of the original game to fit with the Compilation.

Before Crisis is terrible. We can laugh at Square for confusing themselves in supplemental materials about whether or not SOLDIER predates SOLDIER, or roll our eyes and Deepground being way too big to bbe feasible. But Before Crisis makes straight up contradictions into major plot points. See: Dinne. Or pays so little attention to the world that it thinks we could believe that Junon's cannon has any hope of hitting Midgar. I still have no idea why you even want SE to acknowledge its existence.

And what you've "been learning each time," by "each time" you mean "the two times we've received information?" And secondly, the original should not be fixed to fit the Compilation. And I'm one of the few people around here that likes the Compilation. But it was the Compilation's job to fit with the original game, when it failed to do that, too bad. But not altering the original does not make it a reboot. It makes it a remake.

Well, it's part of the storyline, and it never even got an english release date, and most people like Before Crisis. Plus, I'd like to see in full HD 3D render. Out of all of the Square Enix (and Disney in fact) mobile games, KH: Coded is the only one in existance that was remade and released in internationally-twice in fact.

And I've been trying to find new and hopeful info regarding for the Compilation to continue and/or a remake of Before Crisis, and you'd be surprise that there are other people in the world who want the same thing as me.

But with the redesigning of the characters, them not using the Advent Children era models(which I think is better suited for the characters), even if it's ten years old(not that old to me), and between the Advent Children Cloud and the Remake Cloud, the Remake Cloud looks more like Lightning who yes looks like a female version of Cloud, but still with differences, but now they just made Cloud into a male-face replica of Lightning.

And I thought the Compilation titles fit with the original game just fine, with fixing a few things up, which is why I originally thought the remake was just an upgrade of the original game with story contents fitting with the Compilation. But the way I see it now, with new story content that will most likely not have any connections with the Compilation what-so-ever, it's a reboot.

They screwed up with Cloud who's face now looks more like Lightning and a woman than himself. They changed Barret's look which sucks, and nothing so far even comes close to even a tiny bit of content from the Compilation titles.

That looks nothing like Lightning. But you don't have to like his look, that's fine, opinions and all that. But this isn't the final release game, who knows how much the models will change between last December and release.

But giving Barret a pair of freakin sunglasses does not constitute "changing his look." Come on now. He looks so much more like the original Barret than Advent Children Barret did. Get outta here.

I really prefer the Advent Children models of the characters better, but that's just me.

Barret's design in Before Crisis looks more closely to Barret's original design than the remake will ever be. And plus, like real people, it's fair that Cloud and his friends changed their looks after two years. Plus, Yuffie is the only one who changed outfits more so than Cloud.

In regards to sunglasses, they belong to Rude, not Barret. What're they gonna ruin next-change Reno to be older and Cid younger? I don't think so.

I did, but it still felt more like a reboot when I first saw it. It looked nothing like the original game or the compilation titles. Plus, with Nomura as director, it'll be a decade of FFXV all over again. They should've sticked him as producer and the original director as director again, not the other way around. At least Kitase would direct people in the right direction.

Yeah, like Octo said, it looked much more like the original Midgar looked. Secondly, enough with the Nomura nonsense. XV's taken so long because Nomura was working on other stuff and they rebuilt it from the ground up. Or are you trying to suggest that every Kingdom Hearts game took a decade to come out?
Thirdly, Kitase wanted Zack to fight freakin Jenova in the Nibelheim Reactor room and still thinks the opening of Dirge explains where Yuffie and Vincent were during VII's closing FMV. Sorry, Nomura has much better credits in recent years than Kitase. KH may have an insane excuse for a story, but they are almost all solid, fun games that run and play well.

He took his sweet time with FFXV and KH3, which made everyone go stir crazy, because he went on other projects that shouldn't even leave both said games hanging. And with him wanting to release a Kingdom Hearts game every year? That's never gonna work, because games and movies take years, not just one year each.

As for Midgar, they changed the park to Sector 8 in the remake instead originally in original and the slide too. In Crisis Core, they kept the original slide from the original game. In the remake, the slide is replica from the giant sea-shell house in the City of the Ancients which shouldn't even be knowlaged to people in Midgar.

And personally, I'm much more into the Compilation because, I know this is stupid, but it makes more sense and at the same time, leaves an open good ending.

Like FFVIII for example. That game was good enough to sastify me and it doesn't need a sequel. Same with IX.

AC forced everything else to be consistent with it re combat.

I have no great issues with either scene, they met the needs of different games. Zack as protagonist versus Zack as side character. And they aren't all that inconsistent, it's not that hard to stretch the battle sounds into a longer engagement. Five minutes of gunfire and sword sounds that the player couldn't do anything about would be boring. Also, that scene could easily have been at the end of a long running battle for all we know.

The over the top reaction to Zack makes perfect sense, by now they've learned that a rogue 1st Class SOLDIER is bad news, Genesis copies have killed hundreds of people all over the world, Angeal's probably the same, Sephiroth destroyed an entire town.

I enjoyed AC. And yeah, Zack, being a strong SOLDIER who can fight giant monsters and in the end just end up dead by just three soldiers? Not convincing and as you said, boring.

And plus, Zack had no choice but to go on the run, because bloodly Hojo loves to experiment on people because he thinks he owns the world which is his own toy box and everyone else are nothing but objects and that he's the only one who was given a mind and a soul. But then again, the original President was, as I've said before, a cold-hearted bastard who thinks he owns the world too.

A setting where you accept that an elite special forces unit successfully uses swords as their primary weapon requires some level of superhuman abilities. There's plenty of that in the OG. How many cliffs does Cloud fall off onto stone and survive (Nibelheim Mountains at least twice (completely unhurt beyond 'skinned knees' once, and this is before any enhancements.) He falls off the plate and is instantly combat ready after being knocked unconscious. He falls hundreds of feet off the Corel tracks and is fine. He falls into the bowels of the earth, and washes up half a continent away, mentally messed up but physically fine.

HP and MP counts only take you so far, otherwise being stabbed in the Back with the Buster Sword would have done about 100HP damage before Sephiroth turns around and cuts Cloud in half.

It's just a matter of personal taste, not an objective problem IMO.

specially if you let more than 3 survive but have those be the ones who linger to make sure Zack's dead before leaving

Isn't that what did happen? We get that shot of the helicopter flying away.

Well, obviously Cloud was special in the body even from the start, but was weak due to his shyness and emotions(not to mention motion sickness).

Plus, people in the world of FFVII are, yes human, but still are not like us people on Earth, even if some of us wish we could do all that cool stuff in Final Fantasy.

 

[ForceStealer]

As for Midgar, they changed the park to Sector 8 in the remake instead originally in original and the slide too. In Crisis Core, they kept the original slide from the original game. In the remake, the slide is replica from the giant sea-shell house in the City of the Ancients which shouldn't even be knowlaged to people in Midgar.

That's not the same park. It's definitely on the upper plate.

See the sunset and skyscrapers?

As for Nomura, it's really hard to say whether HE abandoned Versus and KH3 for other projects, or if the higher-ups were telling him what to do. If you recall, Kitase placed him on the FF7 Remake without even telling him.

But the overreaction with the sunglasses is just comical. Does Rude own the only pair in the world? How could this possibly constitute "ruining" his design? How is it even a little comparable to messing with Reno's and Cid's ages? And hian made a pretty fantastic point about sunglasses being a good idea if you're going to firing guns in the dark.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

... most people like Before Crisis.

Most FFVII fans probably don't know it exists -- and of those who do: No. No, most do not like it.

But with the redesigning of the characters, them not using the Advent Children era models(which I think is better suited for the characters), even if it's ten years old(not that old to me), and between the Advent Children Cloud and the Remake Cloud, the Remake Cloud looks more like Lightning who yes looks like a female version of Cloud, but still with differences, but now they just made Cloud into a male-face replica of Lightning.

Cloud's Compilation face has softer features/is less angular. He looks more like Lightning there -- that's pretty much inarguable.

And I thought the Compilation titles fit with the original game just fine, with fixing a few things up, which is why I originally thought the remake was just an upgrade of the original game with story contents fitting with the Compilation. But the way I see it now, with new story content that will most likely not have any connections with the Compilation what-so-ever, it's a reboot.

It's already been said in at least one interview that the remake will make the connections with the Compilation tie together more smoothly. You're inventing things to get upset about.

In regards to sunglasses, they belong to Rude, not Barret. What're they gonna ruin next-change Reno to be older and Cid younger? I don't think so.

I don't think so either. Neither would you if you'd stop overreacting.

The (almost certainly) temporary addition of sunglasses does not amount to changing Barret's look. Nor is it unreasonable for more than one person in the whole world to ever wear them.

What is unreasonable is to act like adding an accessory that will probably be gone half an hour into the game is comparable to changing a character's age.

Like I said, you're inventing things to get upset about.

As for Midgar, they changed the park to Sector 8 in the remake instead originally in original and the slide too.

First: That park you're referring to in the trailer is on top of the plate rather than in the slums.

Secondly, that trailer wasn't made by Nomura (or even SE), who has already said he didn't like some of the design decisions made with the trailer and probably won't be using many of them in the actual game.

Also, third: you mean Sector 6.


EDIT: Force Ninja.

 

[Starling]

Well, it's part of the storyline, and it never even got an english release date, and most people like Before Crisis. Plus, I'd like to see in full HD 3D render. Out of all of the Square Enix (and Disney in fact) mobile games, KH: Coded is the only one in existance that was remade and released in internationally-twice in fact.

BC would need a complete rewrite just to be worth remaking. As it is, it's really bare bones and below handheld standards. It's full of inconsistencies and plot points that don't make sense. It's just not worth the effort. The thing is, even if they never reference it ever again, you can still write fanfics about it all you like.

You have to understand that we're getting a remake of the OG, which means fidelity to FFVII comes before any references to the compilation. Inconsistencies from the Compilation would just bog it down so we're just getting what'll lead to a complete and cohesive story, which is better than several fragmented ones that don't fit together due to contradictions. They might continue the story as it is afterwards and it's not like we were given any indication they had any intention of making another compilation entry after the last one so you're not really losing anything.

But with the redesigning of the characters, them not using the Advent Children era models(which I think is better suited for the characters), even if it's ten years old(not that old to me), and between the Advent Children Cloud and the Remake Cloud, the Remake Cloud looks more like Lightning who yes looks like a female version of Cloud, but still with differences, but now they just made Cloud into a male-face replica of Lightning.

See my earlier post addressed to you about Cloud not looking like Lightning. The remake has quite a bit of improvement from ACC's graphics. They're not final and already they have more detail, especially with how bland Advent Children could be. On top of that, everyone so far actually looks like their OG artwork, including Cloud and Barret. Again, Lightning was based on Cloud, meaning she started out with some similarities. However, Cloud looks less like her in the remake than he does in the compilation, which is what his main look was when FF13 came out.

Barret's design in Before Crisis looks more closely to Barret's original design than the remake will ever be. And plus, like real people, it's fair that Cloud and his friends changed their looks after two years. Plus, Yuffie is the only one who changed outfits more so than Cloud.

See my earlier post about how accurate Barret's remake design is. They did a great job on it and it's the best he's looked since his OG artwork. All we see in BC are little people shaped blobs and a portrait. It's pretty terrible visual quality to go treating as superior to even the other compilation games.

In regards to sunglasses, they belong to Rude, not Barret. What're they gonna ruin next-change Reno to be older and Cid younger? I don't think so.

Calm down, Barret's probably not keeping the sunglasses on for long. Everyone looks like their OG artwork so we don't really have any reason to expect any different from other characters like Cid, Reno and Rude. No need to assume everything's ruined over a pair of sunglasses.

As for Midgar, they changed the park to Sector 8 in the remake instead originally in original and the slide too. In Crisis Core, they kept the original slide from the original game. In the remake, the slide is replica from the giant sea-shell house in the City of the Ancients which shouldn't even be knowlaged to people in Midgar.

The cinematic trailer doesn't represent cutscenes that will actually be in the game and the park shown wasn't the one from sector 6 we're familiar with. The seashell design doesn't have to have anything to do with the forgotten city. Seashells exist elsewhere too.

 

[Soakette]

Does Rude own the only pair in the world?

Yes, Yes he does, at least the only cool pair.

Anyway, I think what Tashasaurus meant was (at least from my POV) Is that the sunglasses is Rudes signature look so why would they put them on someone else. I am in agreement with whoever said his glasses will come off eventually, I think they are just on to try and hide is identity or something because you know hes about to bomb a reactor and kill some people....yeah.

Sorry, my Rude senses were tingling. Carry on.

 

[Tennyo]

WRONG

Rude clearly owns at least two pairs.

 

[Soakette]

WRONG

Rude clearly owns at least two pairs.

You are absolutely right! He owns at least two of the coolest pairs. . Thanks for reminded me, its been a while. lol.

 

[Claymore]

I just want to quote this as I think some people are getting rather out of hand on non-issues that the Remake has apparently already ruined:

I get that many people are worried about stuff getting screwed up but it'd be nice if everyone took the time to dial back the bitterness and give the remake a fair chance rather than assume everything is already ruined, which gets rather obnoxious after a while. Voicing concerns about stuff you're worried won't be done right is fine but try to balance it out by acknowledgimg what is. For one, that glimpse of Midgar in the trailer was great and full of details worth appreciating. They really are putting a lot of effort into the remake and I'd hate to see that dampened by cynicism that latches onto the one detail that doesn't perfectly conform to expectations while ignoring everything else.

 

[Octo]

Cloud looks moar angular in the remake, and t makes perfect sense because the guy just spent 5 years in a toob eating fish food or something. And then he was catatonic and on the run. Not like he'd been having 3 square meals a day is it?

Edit: re bitterness. People have every right to be bitter over it. If they're wrong in the end they'll be wrong.

 

[Roger]

Barret's design in Before Crisis looks more closely to Barret's original design than the remake will ever be.

Before Crisis Barret is just a portrait and sprite, it didn't face the problem of translating his comical design to Hd render like AC and Remake did.

In regards to sunglasses, they belong to Rude, not Barret. What're they gonna ruin next-change Reno to be older and Cid younger? I don't think so.

Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus already did that with Cid. And given that he really IS suppose to be 31, Remake might follow suit.

He took his sweet time with FFXV and KH3, which made everyone go stir crazy, because he went on other projects that shouldn't even leave both said games hanging. And with him wanting to release a Kingdom Hearts game every year? That's never gonna work, because games and movies take years, not just one year each.

Releasing a Kingdom Hearts game every year wasn't a decision Nomura made by himself (if it was him at all) by any means.

I enjoyed AC. And yeah, Zack, being a strong SOLDIER who can fight giant monsters and in the end just end up dead by just three soldiers? Not convincing and as you said, boring.

That's putting the cart before the horse. Crisis Core as whole is over the top. Saying that Zack's ending was neccesary because of all the things he had done before it is erronous.

Nothing neccesitated that Zack be comparable to Sephiroth or AC Cloud rather then the rank and file SOLDIER First Class' in the original game. Crisis Core could have been much more low key affair compared to Advent Children and that would have been fine.

And plus, Zack had no choice but to go on the run, because bloodly Hojo loves to experiment on people because he thinks he owns the world which is his own toy box and everyone else are nothing but objects and that he's the only one who was given a mind and a soul. But then again, the original President was, as I've said before, a cold-hearted bastard who thinks he owns the world too.

Zack wasn't on the run from Hojo, he's just a scientist that left him at Nibelheim many years ago. Nothing indicates that Hojo was the driving force behind the hunt, he probably didn't care either way. If anything he'd WANT Zack and Cloud to get away to be free to test his theories given his attidute in the original game. it's the likes of Tseng and Heidegger that killed Zack. And the President DID own the world, that's just fact by the time of Crisis Core.

 

[Clement Rage]

I've always found this little snippet a good compromise re combat. It involves two SOLDIERs (neither at their peak, but still high tier enough) legitimately trying to kill each other and isn't in VR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_HWdgQcvH4 (cutscene starts 7:58).

 

[Tashasaurous]

Barret's design in Before Crisis looks more closely to Barret's original design than the remake will ever be.

Before Crisis Barret is just a portrait and sprite, it didn't face the problem of translating his comical design to Hd render like AC and Remake did.

In regards to sunglasses, they belong to Rude, not Barret. What're they gonna ruin next-change Reno to be older and Cid younger? I don't think so.

Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus already did that with Cid. And given that he really IS suppose to be 31, Remake might follow suit.

Yeah, well, either way, the remake will be a major disappointment.

And Cid, despite being 31, is still older than Reno who is 24 in the original game, 26 in Advent Children and 27 in Dirge of Cerberus despite not making any appearence in Dirge.

Releasing a Kingdom Hearts game every year wasn't a decision Nomura made by himself (if it was him at all) by any means.

Well it's certainly not working by any means, that's for sure. That's why KH3 is taking so long because they're wasting more time to try and keep fans busy which makes the development of KH3 much slower.

That's putting the cart before the horse. Crisis Core as whole is over the top. Saying that Zack's ending was neccesary because of all the things he had done before it is erronous.

Nothing neccesitated that Zack be comparable to Sephiroth or AC Cloud rather then the rank and file SOLDIER First Class' in the original game. Crisis Core could have been much more low key affair compared to Advent Children and that would have been fine.

Zack hasn't done anything wrong against the Company. Hojo could get away with anything and the President allowed it as this was a chance for him to cover up things and avoid the suvivors of Nibelhiem to say anything that would screw things up, so he was more than willing to give them to Hojo.

Heck, in Before Crisis, Tseng, Reno and Rude and the BC player Turk were hesitated to send in the survivors, which in the end, it was Veld who had done so due to a similiar incident that costed his arm and his wife and nearly his daughter who was thought dead.

Plus, Tseng and Zack were decent friends.

Zack wasn't on the run from Hojo, he's just a scientist that left him at Nibelheim many years ago. Nothing indicates that Hojo was the driving force behind the hunt, he probably didn't care either way. If anything he'd WANT Zack and Cloud to get away to be free to test his theories given his attidute in the original game. it's the likes of Tseng and Heidegger that killed Zack. And the President DID own the world, that's just fact by the time of Crisis Core.

Which also kinda proves that he thinks he is the real being in the world and everyone/everything else are nothing but toys he can play around with, or robots under his mental control.

As for Zack getting killed, Tseng didn't want that. He wanted to retrieve Zack and Cloud alive.

The only thing the President didn't own was Lucrecia's Cave or the Northern Cave.

 

[Roger]

And Cid, despite being 31, is still older than Reno who is 24 in the original game, 26 in Advent Children and 27 in Dirge of Cerberus despite not making any appearence in Dirge.

Didn't think you meant younger than Reno, just younger.

Zack hasn't done anything wrong against the Company. Hojo could get away with anything and the President allowed it as this was a chance for him to cover up things and avoid the suvivors of Nibelhiem to say anything that would screw things up, so he was more than willing to give them to Hojo.

This was an argument about Zack's powerlevel, the needless scale of his fights and whatnot. Not question of having him be right or wrong. Nobody's arguing against that.

As for Zack getting killed, Tseng didn't want that. He wanted to retrieve Zack and Cloud alive.

But nevertheless was the highest ranking Shinra employee involved in tracking them down. And whatever orders they had, Zack didn't want to be taken at all, alive or dead, thus was killed.

The only thing the President didn't own was Lucrecia's Cave or the Northern Cave.

If he wanted to build a pipeline through those mountains, he would. Judging by Modeoheim, he did. Him owning the world was the practical reality of FFVII.

 

[Channy]

WRONG

Rude clearly owns at least two ALL THE PAIRS.

fixed

Yeah, well, either way, the remake will be a major disappointment.

This kind of sums up all your feelings in every post in the history of everdom.

I just don't understand: why are you so deadset on being disappointed by this game? There are a lot of us, unarguably with our reservations about the game and its impact on the world compilation, but we're still holding out hope that it's going to do good. A lot of us appreciate the time and effort SE is putting into actually fulfilling our 13-year long wish (because for Gods sake that's when AC/CoFFVII was announced and we thought it was building up to this back then) but you, and nothing to hold against you or anything, you just want to be disappointed by this. It's in the subtext of your text when you can't really find a valid argument anymore and I ask: why? Why can't you enjoy what they're doing for you, as a fan of the original?

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I'm more curious where these purported ages for Reno are coming from. As far as I'm aware, he's never been given one.

 

[ForceStealer]

Yeah, well, either way, the remake will be a major disappointment.

 

[Starling]

Tash, it feels like you're not even listening to most of the responses to your posts.

 

[Tashasaurous]

Yeah, well, either way, the remake will be a major disappointment.

This kind of sums up all your feelings in every post in the history of everdom.

I just don't understand: why are you so deadset on being disappointed by this game? There are a lot of us, unarguably with our reservations about the game and its impact on the world compilation, but we're still holding out hope that it's going to do good. A lot of us appreciate the time and effort SE is putting into actually fulfilling our 13-year long wish (because for Gods sake that's when AC/CoFFVII was announced and we thought it was building up to this back then) but you, and nothing to hold against you or anything, you just want to be disappointed by this. It's in the subtext of your text when you can't really find a valid argument anymore and I ask: why? Why can't you enjoy what they're doing for you, as a fan of the original?[/QUOTE]

Because I never wanted a remake in the first place. I wanted a new title of the FFVII and a remake of Before Crisis, and I thought for a long time it was point clear that the remake would never happen and that a new title of the FFVII series was more likely.

And the way things are going for the company, and it's not the case that I want to be disappointed, because I don't want to be disappointed, but just know I'm going to be disappointed, and the way things were going to me, especially last year, I had mostly nothing but disappointments,

I'm more curious where these purported ages for Reno are coming from. As far as I'm aware, he's never been given one.

Well, I assumed that he's young, because he has to be a year older than Zack who is two years older than Cloud, and since Cloud was 21 in the original game and remake, Reno has to be 24.

Tash, it feels like you're not even listening to most of the responses to your posts.

I was trying to point things out, but I keep on getting pointed out. Plus, it's painfully obvious that I'm the only one who was crushed by Square's decisions to do a remake.

 

[Tennyo]

Yeah but Tasha, it's getting really frustrating. You don't want to talk ABOUT the remake, you just want to keep saying over and over and over again that it's gonna suck and somehow this is the worst possible thing to ever happen ever.

Just...calm down.

Again, I'll post this blog by Neil Gaiman. READ IT http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

Replace George R. R. Martin with Square Enix, like so:

Look, this may not be palatable, Tasha, and I keep trying to come up with a better way to put it, but the simplicity of things, at least from my perspective is this:

Square Enix is not your bitch.

This is a useful thing to know, perhaps a useful thing to point out when you find yourself thinking that possibly Square is, indeed, your bitch, and should be out there developing what you want to play right now.

People are not machines. Game developers and artists aren't machines.

You're complaining about Square doing other things than making the games you want to play as if your buying the first game in the series was a contract with them: that you would pay over your fifty dollars, and Square for their part would spend every waking hour until the series was done, making the rest of the games for you.

No such contract existed. You were paying your fifty dollars for the game you were playing, and I assume that you enjoyed it because you want to know what happens next.

Go read the rest of it.

Just please stop being a broken record.

 

[Tashasaurous]

Yeah but Tasha, it's getting really frustrating. You don't want to talk ABOUT the remake, you just want to keep saying over and over and over again that it's gonna suck and somehow this is the worst possible thing to ever happen ever.

Just...calm down.

Again, I'll post this blog by Neil Gaiman. READ IT http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

Replace George R. R. Martin with Square Enix, like so:

Look, this may not be palatable, Tasha, and I keep trying to come up with a better way to put it, but the simplicity of things, at least from my perspective is this:

Square Enix is not your bitch.

This is a useful thing to know, perhaps a useful thing to point out when you find yourself thinking that possibly Square is, indeed, your bitch, and should be out there developing what you want to play right now.

People are not machines. Game developers and artists aren't machines.

You're complaining about Square doing other things than making the games you want to play as if your buying the first game in the series was a contract with them: that you would pay over your fifty dollars, and Square for their part would spend every waking hour until the series was done, making the rest of the games for you.

No such contract existed. You were paying your fifty dollars for the game you were playing, and I assume that you enjoyed it because you want to know what happens next.

Go read the rest of it.

Just please stop being a broken record.

I'm really sorry. I never said I owned Square Enix. I just hate believing that one thing will actually happen and another won't happen and then I later learn it's the complete opposite which makes me wrong, and I hate being wrong, and it happened to me for as long as I can remember, even as a child.

Sad to say, I have a terrible sense of judgement and I know it. Yes I am doing well in my studies, but being wrong most of the time on anything else frustrates me all the time.

I'm sorry for being a great big pain in the ass guys, and while I am looking forward on how the remake turns out, each time I hold onto hope that Square would continue the Compilation after the remake is done, it always comes crushing down on me that another sequel just won't happen and I'm losing that hope to the point of giving up.

Yes the titles do give me ideas for fanfics, I would like to see Square Enix continue the series, but that just won't happen. It's even worse when no one has even officially confirmed they won't continue the compilation and everyone is left to their own answers, like "They'll eventually continue the Compilation" or "They won't continue it and left it as a cliff-hanger" but no one really ones which one is right.

Of all the games and their sequels they've done, FFVII is the only one that's being remade and it's actual story(the Compilation) is unfinished, because the other Final Fantasy remake titles and their sequels(FFIV for example) had their stories completed and redone, and Lightning's story in the trilogy was finished after FFVII was released and before the story was completed.

Plus, the remake is almost the same as the original, but with major differences. I just don't think it's even suited to the original either. While I didn't want a remake, since it was announced, I just wanted them to upgrade the graphics and add in some small content from the other titles and put it onto three discs, not redo the designs of the characters(Cloud, AVALANCHE, Rufus and the Turks to post-advent children looks), begin anew with new content and make it episodic which has high chances that they'll wanna quit FFVII once the final episode is released.

...Now I'm sounding like a very spoiled brat and I wish I didn't. Think I'll just bash my head against a car or something.

 

[Starling]

Yeah, well, either way, the remake will be a major disappointment.

This kind of sums up all your feelings in every post in the history of everdom.

I just don't understand: why are you so deadset on being disappointed by this game? There are a lot of us, unarguably with our reservations about the game and its impact on the world compilation, but we're still holding out hope that it's going to do good. A lot of us appreciate the time and effort SE is putting into actually fulfilling our 13-year long wish (because for Gods sake that's when AC/CoFFVII was announced and we thought it was building up to this back then) but you, and nothing to hold against you or anything, you just want to be disappointed by this. It's in the subtext of your text when you can't really find a valid argument anymore and I ask: why? Why can't you enjoy what they're doing for you, as a fan of the original?

Because I never wanted a remake in the first place. I wanted a new title of the FFVII and a remake of Before Crisis, and I thought for a long time it was point clear that the remake would never happen and that a new title of the FFVII series was more likely.

And the way things are going for the company, and it's not the case that I want to be disappointed, because I don't want to be disappointed, but just know I'm going to be disappointed, and the way things were going to me, especially last year, I had mostly nothing but disappointments,

The way you went out of your way to find the slightest reason to condemn the remake as already ruined despite everyone's explanations of the contrary and not even acknowledging some of the counterarguments sure make it seem like you want to be disappointed.

Just because you didn't want a remake doesn't mean you have to hate it just for existing. Like I said before, whatever we're getting is going to be a complete, coherent narrative, which is something the compilation isn't. We were never told there'd be anything more to the compilation than we got and it's not that unusual for games to hint at plots that never happen like what got you so convinced there'd be a title set after DoC. For all we know, we actually will get something equivalent to that nonexistent sequel, whether as part of the remake or as another game afterwards. Just because it's in a different form than you were expecting doesn't mean you should hate it. Let yourself enjoy the remake and whatever compilation references are in it. Give it a fair chance.

Tash, it feels like you're not even listening to most of the responses to your posts.

I was trying to point things out, but I keep on getting pointed out. Plus, it's painfully obvious that I'm the only one who was crushed by Square's decisions to do a remake.

People are responding to your comments with logical answers and explanations, then you go on as if those don't matter or weren't said, forcing them to keep doing it until you either listen or they get fed up with your apparent refusal to have an actual discussion about it. I had to reference past posts just because you went on about the same things I already addressed as if I hadn't even said anything.

 

[Tennyo]

TASHA: SQUARE ENIX NEVER SAID THERE WON'T BE A SEQUEL

STOP SAYING THERE WON'T BE A SEQUEL. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. NOBODY KNOWS THAT.