Sephiroth: What the fuck happened?

[Aya]

Ok thank you for the infor but Sephiroth did seem to know Gast. God I hate Lucrecia lol

 

[Munatik]

Yeah but Jenova does not exactly look human does she? I still do not understand how they came to the conclusion that Jenova was an Cetra.

She had been mummified and stuck in the ground for 2000 years. Mummies don't typically look exactly the same as they were when they were alive because there is still dehydration that occurs and whatnot.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Honestly, not directly. Again, he wasn't present in Nibelheim during the whole Project S experiment. It was just Hojo, and Lucrecia.

Did every single facet of Project S take place in Nibelheim? There was no secondary research in Shinra HQ or whatever?

I mean, scientific research and projects aren't really that simple.

 

[Aya]

She had been mummified and stuck in the ground for 2000 years. Mummies don't typically look exactly the same as they were when they were alive because there is still dehydration that occurs and whatnot.

Do you remeber what she looked like in Nibilheim reactor she had not rotted she had skin and again did not look human. Futhermore she had long silver hair

 

[Masamune]

Honestly, not directly. Again, he wasn't present in Nibelheim during the whole Project S experiment. It was just Hojo, and Lucrecia.

So why would Vincent talk about failing to stop the THREE of them?

 

[Aya]

So why would Vincent talk about failing to stop the THREE of them?

Oh yeah he did and just found this infor on Professor Gast:

Gast drew the wrongful conclusion that Jenova was a Cetra, and Shinra sent Hojo and Lucrecia Cresant to assist him in his research to create the Jenova Project. He and Hojo injected Lucrecia with Jenova cells, in order to make Lucrecia and Hojo's unborn child, a new race of Cetra. This child was called Sephiroth. Gast, however, regrets this decision, and leaves the project. Gast continues his research on the Cetrain his laboratory in Icicle Inn, where he meets Ifalna the one of the last remaining Cetra.

 

[Munatik]

Do you remeber what she looked like in Nibilheim reactor she had not rotted she had skin and again did not look human. Futhermore she had long silver hair

Again, Gast had little reference to go on while he was under the assumption that Jenova was an Ancient, with no other reason to suspect that she wasn't even originally of the Planet. Plus, in a world where hedgehog hair exists, I would not be too put off by the way the hair looks.

 

[Makoeyes987]

@Notorious M.O.G.

Show me where FFVII or the Compilation shows Project S taking place elsewhere and you'll have a point

The Shinra Manor is also a research facility. They did all their research and experimentation there for Project S.

@Masamune

Because Vincent knew that the project was also being headed by Gast and he was the original head of it and founder? That particular branch of the Jenova Project, Project S, did not have Gast directly involved in it. That was Hojo and Lurcecia's research.

A study or research project can be headed by one person who has other co-workers and researcher do invidiual sub projects that all fall under the same project. I think that's what happened with Project S. Hollander was doing the same thing in Banora regarding Jenova Project G, and that still doesn't change the fact Gast was the main head of the Science Department and the Jenova Project.

 

[Aya]

Again, Gast had little reference to go on while he was under the assumption that Jenova was an Ancient, with no other reason to suspect that she wasn't even originally of the Planet. Plus, in a world where hedgehog hair exists, I would not be too put off by the way the hair looks.

Hahaha that made me giggle thanks that was funny and I see your point. But Ancient or Alien or whatever they believed her to be. I still think that taking cells of an unidentified thing and putting them into an unborn baby is not a good idea lol.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Because Vincent knew that the project was also being headed by Gast and he was the original head of it and founder? That particular branch of the Jenova Project, Project S, did not have Gast directly involved in it. That was Hojo and Lurcecia's research.

A study or research project can be headed by one person who has other co-workers and researcher do invidiual sub projects that all fall under the same project. I think that's what happened with Project S. Hollander was doing the same thing in Banora regarding Jenova Project G, and that still doesn't change the fact Gast was the main head of the Science Department and the Jenova Project.

But...that doesn't make any sense. The entire point of the Jenova Project was to make people with the Ancient's abilties. Project S, Project G, project whatever. Gast had to be involved in some facet of fucked up human experiements.

 

[Munatik]

Hahaha that made me giggle thanks that was funny and I see your point. But Ancient or Alien or whatever they believed her to be. I still think that taking cells of an unidentified thing and putting them into an unborn baby is not a good idea lol.

Np, and I think a lot of people would agree with you.

 

[Masamune]

Hojo: 'Ha, ha, ha... I offered the woman with my child to Professor Gast's Jenova Project. When Sephiroth was still in the womb, we took the cells of
Jenova... HA, HA, HA!!'

Even if Hojo used Gast's research for Project S, that line is implying that Gast gave it the green light. Along with Gast's implication by Vincent, he is still at the heart of Sephiroth's creation.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Yeah he was involved but again, he doesnt' have to have a hand in every single branch of the experiment. He probably was doing something else while Hojo, Lucrecia and Hollander were doing their experiments in Project S and G.

He wasn't there dude. Look at every depiction of Project S and Gast is not there. Not in FFVII, DC, or CC.

 

[Masamune]

Again, Mako, Vincent says he couldn't stop Gast, Hojo & Lucrecia. Now if it was just Hojo & Lucrecia at Nibelheim doing their own thing, why would Gast be involved? The Jenova Project was his brainchild, yes, but Vincent was challenging the use of Lucrecia's child. If Gast had nothing to do with that, he would not stand accused.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

@Mako

I'm not saying that he had a personal hand in it, but he authorized the own deal. He said 'yes' to Project S, Project G, and all of that. He gave it the okay even if he wasn't personally present. What, you think that those projects only had 2-3 scientists doing all of the work?

 

[Aya]

Don't it show Gast in the flashback of Nibelhiem when Vincent is telling Cloud & Co what had happened?

 

[Masamune]

Aya is correct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2GgaX1Dn7s

 

[Makoeyes987]

I know it's still Gast's project. I'm not denying that. That's why Vincent mentions Gast.

But Gast was not personally there or responsible for Hojo and Lucrecia deciding to offer up their own child to the project. There's no evidence of that in FFVII or DC or CC. DC shows that Lucrecia and Hojo came to that decision by themselves. Gast wasn't there when they made that choice.

Yeah, its his project but he doesn't have to be there personally to be attributed to the actual events and experiments there.

And I'm not sure where it shows in FFVII or the Compilation that Gast okays anything. They're ambiguous with that. Where are you getting that from?

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Aya is correct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2GgaX1Dn7s

whoops there it is

 

[Makoeyes987]

I only see a guy in a labcoat, we don't even see his face.

And again, that doesn't show Gast okaying, or authorizing Lucrecia and Hojo to offer up their child to the project. It's concievable Gast was there for the first time they decided to use the Shinra Manor as their site of reasearch, but all the subsequent cutscene footage shows only Hojo, Lucrecia and Vincent.

So that really doesn't change much.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Man Mako, no offense, but it looks like you're grabbing for straws, man.

 

[Masamune]

Okay, Mako. Whatever you say.

I guess...

- Cutscene of Gast, Hojo & Lucrecia at Nibelheim.
- Hojo "offering Lucrecia to Gast's project."
- Vincent failing to stop "Professor Gast, Hojo, and Lucrecia."

...doesn't directly involve him with Sephiroth's creation.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I dunno, it looks like you're trying to absolve Gast from something he most probably knew about.

-It's his project, so how could Project S and Project G slip under his nose? If he didn't authorize it, how could they become official Shinra ongoing projects? How could that happen if he DIDN'T authorize it? He sounds like a shitty scientist who never got anything done if what you say is correct.

-It's more likely that the MYSTERY THIRD SCIENTIST is Gast, who we know is connected to the project, than MYSTERY THIRD SCIENTIST.

-The Jenova Project's purpose was to produce humans that had the powers of Ancients. Gast was the head of that. He knew that. So even if he somehow DIDN'T know about Project S or Project G (which is dumb, because that's not how scientific research works, scientists have to report their findings and progress to their superiors and ultimately the organization they work for), he DID go into the project willing to experiment on humans somewhere down the line.

-Alright, according to you, Gast probably didn't know about Project S or G, but Hojo, Lucrecia, and Hollander just skipped Gast and reported their findings to Shinra directly or something and Gast didn't know about it? Is Gast retarded?

 

[Aya]

And this vid proves that Sephiroth knew Gast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giGHtSebqVs&feature=related so therefore he must of been involved in the project. As Sephiroth knew him.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Stop confusing me with V you fucks. I never said he wasn't responsible. He bears some responsibility

But you can't say its his fault or he was there for when Hojo and Lucrecia violated scientific ethics and offered their unborn child to the project. That was all Hojo and Lurecia. Not Gast.

I'm sure Sephiroth knew Gast, since he was raised as a ward of the Science Department, but I'm failing to see the relevance here.