So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Dashell]

AHA so that's why they wanna reach the promised Land so badly

 

[Shadowfox]

Answer
You are absolutely right. The Japanese being very often obtuse in their use of language do use this expression to mean a romantic interest and it is found very often in pop songs. It is used most predictably in the speech of people from Tokyo but I have also heard it used in Osaka.
From Matt, at: AllExperts.com

Interesting. I had no idea that Aerith was supposed to be from Tokyo or Osaka (although I have to admit I would have found it very novel to hear Aerith speaking like an Osakan).

If the Meet stuff is true (it's not), there are two damning quotes.

Cloud telling Tifa he hopes she can meet the real Cloud again.

Cloud saying to Tifa 'so we meet again.'

The meetings don't even stop there. Following this line of logic, FFVII is a veritable smorgasbord of sex and romance meetings.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

I don't understand how this proves Clerith

I don't think it does... One thing some Cleriths tend to do is go on at great length about things of little relevance. I suspect it is because they truly have very little to talk about, so they stuff useless facts and descriptions into their essays. It's almost like someone padding a bra with tons of Kleenex.

 

[Vendel]

Doesn't des failed have an entire post about all the times Cloud and Tifa "meet"? Although with the way the pinkers used it maybe I should say meat.

It's almost like someone padding a bra with tons of Kleenex.

Poor Aerith. She just can't measure up.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

I've seen in Clerith essays that they add a bunch of "legitimate" Japanese culture tid-bits in order to "prove" the legitimacy of their or their "friend's" knowledge. It's like: "See, THIS is trufax, so THIS MUST ALSO be trufax. Proofz!" Whereas the reality is "See, truth...annnnnnd a bunch of made up bullshit."

I've also seen Cloti essays ramble endlessly about what a closet whore Aerith is, so there are a few shippers out there that need a good head-slap, but I've yet to read one where facts are completely distorted and warped like so many Clerith ones.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

I believe the kanji used in that instance was 'au' the kanji that means 'to meet'. Dammit, my teacher should have told us about the sekrit secksual connotations! It's a shock that no one propositioned us for sex in Japan!

...oh no, my host said "Let's meet again" in Japanese before I left. SHE WANTS US TO HAVE SEX!

 

[Smaddy]

The meetings don't even stop there. Following this line of logic, FFVII is a veritable smorgasbord of sex and romance meetings.

Maybe that's why they haven't remade FF7. If they went by the "accurate" translations of "meet", it would turn it into a NC-17/AO rating!

 

[Vorona]

I've seen in Clerith essays that they add a bunch of "legitimate" Japanese culture tid-bits in order to "prove" the legitimacy of their or their "friend's" knowledge. It's like: "See, THIS is trufax, so THIS MUST ALSO be trufax. Proofz!" Whereas the reality is "See, truth...annnnnnd a bunch of made up bullshit."

But don't you see? We're just silly Westerners who don't understand that FFVII is full of Japanese symbols and cultural influence which makes Clerith so obvious everyone in Japan knows that it is the OTP of VII. Our black Cloti minds just don't understand this, as we're superficial and obviously only care about the boobs

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

... and obviously only care about the boobs

That's 'cos boobs are important.

I also seem to remember reading somewhere in a "pink" essay that ellipses signified refusal, so Cloud essentially refused Tifa's advances that night under the Highwind.

Speaking of the Highwind, does anyone remember Cloud saying "We've gotta stop thinking of Aerith and let her go" shortly after the group reunites? He appeared to want her to go back to the planet.

I know he couldn't do it himself in the movie, but that was because he (though he) couldn't help it. The intention to let Aerith move on and dissolve into the Lifestream appears to be there even before the end of the game. Not exactly very pro-Clerith-fucking-in-the-fields, is it?

 

[Frostwave]

Speaking of the Highwind, does anyone remember Cloud saying "We've gotta stop thinking of Aerith and let her go" shortly after the group reunites? He appeared to want her to go back to the planet.

Cloud: ......Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or
that smile will just freeze like that. Let's go all together. Memories of
Aerith... ...Although she should've returned to the planet by now, something
stopped her and now she's stuck...... We've got to let go of Aerith's memory.

This is it. IIRC, hito said that the 'memory' here means more like 'wish'. So, Cloud's saying the party needs to get Holy moving, because if they let Sephiroth keep holding it back, it's like Aerith died for nothing.

Feel free to correct me if I got that wrong, hito(which I probably did, hahaha).

 

[Vorona]

That's 'cos boobs are important.

Only to those of us with ebil Cloti minds

I also seem to remember reading somewhere in a "pink" essay that ellipses signified refusal, so Cloud essentially refused Tifa's advances that night under the Highwind.

That claim seems a bit strange to me, considering how straight before the ellipses Tifa says "words aren't the only way to show how you feel". I don't know, considering what she just said I don't see how Cloud's "....." is a refusal. I took it as more of a big hint than anything, but then that's just me trying to apply context to a scene.

 

[KissTheRain]

I also seem to remember reading somewhere in a "pink" essay that ellipses signified refusal

So Squall refused everything in VIII, hmm? I always just say them as no response or blank, idk. If someone was confessing their love to you I might be a little blank and unsure what to do or say. And hell, when it's someone like Cloud who gets awkward when a girl breathes next to him we could have a bit of problemes.

straight before the ellipses Tifa says "words aren't the only way to show how you feel".

Hmm, I never saw it that way, but that is one way to look at it, good thought there Aerina. (:

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

I know.

To me it just meant that Cloud didn't say anything. Twisting it to mean a rejection seems a wee bit extreme, don't you think?

And if "we've got to let go of Aerith's memory" means "we've got to keep Holy moving" then I cry for this translation.

 

[KissTheRain]

And if "we've got to let go of Aerith's memory" means "we've got to keep Holy moving" then I cry for this translation.

LOL WHUT. When in the game is this? And how the hell could you get Aerith mixed up with Holy seeing she has her own specific kanji? Recheck please!

 

[Celes Chere]

I took it as more of a big hint than anything, but then that's just me trying to apply context to a scene.

Exactly. I can't believe they actually took time to try and show how it's a rejection. Oh wait- yes I can. =/ Tifa told Cloud not to say anything, so he didn't. The screen goes black, and both of them are right as rain in the morning. Sure looks like a rejection to me. We all know that Tifa would be more than a little depressed if her childhood love refused her. Yet, Cloud is the one encouraging her and keeping her happy in the morning. Also, why would SE make Cloud into such a bastard? If it were a rejection, it would have been clear. It's not like they are afraid to show rejection, I mean look at poor Quistis.

It just doesn't make sense. Maybe in pink land it does, I guess.

Although she should've returned to the planet by now, something
stopped her and now she's stuck...... We've got to let go of Aerith's memory.

For me, I was took that as him saying they needed to free Aerith's memory. It's not like he's saying they should forget about her.

 

[KissTheRain]

There are different versions of the HWS so it could change peoples interpretations of them. In one Cloud isn't being nice for sure, but he isn't being mean either it seems.

For me, I was took that as him saying they needed to free Aerith's memory. It's not like he's saying they should forget about her.

Obviously, seeing AC Cloud didn't. XD

 

[Ryushikaze]

There are different versions of the HWS so it could change peoples interpretations of them. In one Cloud isn't being nice for sure, but he isn't being mean either it seems.

Actually, the biggest difference between the two HW scenes is how talkative they are.
The high version is the that gets all the focus too. It's in the 20th Ani Uti Stoy FF7 section.
And in both, they still spend the night together.

 

[KissTheRain]

That's what I sorta mean. In the high affection scene Cloud is kinder to her and asks how she sleeps and such, but in the low affection he is just there, and could come of as rude and ignoring her, but really he just isn't talking like the anti social bastard he really is.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Are you sure? I thought there was no significant change to the morning after scene between the two versions.

 

[Vendel]

It really doesn't matter which version you get of the HWS. Considering Cloud ask Tifa to live with him right after the game. How anyone could consider any version a rejection is mind-boggling.

Then again if I spied correctly. The pinkers basically consider the versions to be Cloud rejecting her politely and they remain friends. To Cloud being a cold dick to her.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

It really doesn't matter which version you get of the HWS. Considering Cloud asks Tifa to live fuck him right after the game. How anyone could consider any version a rejection is mind-boggling.

Then again if I spied correctly. The pinkers basically consider the versions to be Cloud rejecting her politely and they remain friends. With Cloud being a giving his cold dick to her.

Fixxxed.

 

[Dashell]

Just in case there was any lingering doubt:

Now, granted, this guy doesn't LIVE in Japan but I know he knows alot about their culture and I think he's probably visited and such.

I did ask a Japanese native though but we're not that close so he might not reply

 

[Makoeyes987]

Wow, way to go at telling us what we already knew.

 

[Tennyo]

I found it informative. It explains the entire thing in a better way.

 

[Makoeyes987]

But...did anyone really believe "I want to meet you" meant sex? I mean, really?

Just..lol.