So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Tennyo]

Oh, that's what you meant. lol nvm

 

[Makoeyes987]

It just boggles my mind how logic, common sense, and sanity gets thrown out the window when it comes to this fucking LT.

"I want to meet you" means "I want to fuck you."

"Tifa's called a lover by the director but he doesn't say to whom, so it clearly means no one"

"Aerith called Cloud a lover, so that means he is one"

"In Japanese, ellipses usually mean a refusal"

"Wearing the colors of your dead boyfriend and the ribbon he got you doesn't mean you still love him anymore"

All this stupid shit would get laughed at if this was brought up to anyone outside of FF fandom and ridiculed for how utterly bizarre and illogical it was. It's so damn ridiculous looking at it at face value. The creators stating in clear black and white text that Tifa is a lover isn't proof of Cloud's relationship status with her? Nojima stating he wrote Case of Tifa with his feelings of love and marriage in mind? That they are a couple in crisis? That's not proof?

Why would you even *have* to ask a Japanese person if "I want to meet you" means "I want to fuck you?" Someone trying to say that means Aerith was propositioning Cloud during that, is utterly stupid and insane. I mean, its like they've almost tricked people into taking these ridiculous claims seriously because of how outlandish they are.

Just...lol.

 

[Dashell]

You know how when something totally out there and crazy is said and it's true and people say, "You can't make this shit up." ...well...

 

[Makoeyes987]

But none of this is true and it's been debunked 42.54 times.

I really would love to see a Japanese professor or native speaker's face if someone asked them these odd ball, ridiculous questions?

"Can koibito mean a nice person?"

"Can saying 'I want to meet you' mean 'I want to have sex with you?'"

"If someone is called a koibito in an outside creator statement, does that mean the other person is their partner?"

God, you might as well just write "Gajin" on your forehead.

This shit reminds me of people who argue for teaching "Intelligent Design" and "Evolution" is just a "theory." And people have to start dredging up shit that's been accepted and proven as scientific fact and peer reviewed for decades, all because some crazy fucks can't accept the fact we evolved from monkeys.

 

[Vendel]

It just boggles my mind how logic, common sense, and sanity gets thrown out the window when it comes to this fucking LT.

But you know...It's all open to interpretation.

 

[Ryushikaze]

But none of this is true and it's been debunked 42.54 times.

I really would love to see a Japanese professor or native speaker's face if someone asked them these odd ball, ridiculous questions?

"Can koibito mean a nice person?"

"Can saying 'I want to meet you' mean 'I want to have sex with you?'"

"If someone is called a koibito in an outside creator statement, does that mean the other person is their partner?"

God, you might as well just write "Gajin" on your forehead.

No, 'stupid' would be more appropriate.

This shit reminds me of people who argue for teaching "Intelligent Design" and "Evolution" is just a "theory." And people have to start dredging up shit that's been accepted and proven as scientific fact and peer reviewed for decades, all because some crazy fucks can't accept the fact we evolved from monkeys.

No, monkeys split off of us and Apes long before the proto apes split into the various ape groupings and us.

 

[Dashell]

I guess... I just like to find out some stuff for myself. I KNOW that "I want to meet you" doesn't mean "I want to have sex with you," Common sense tells me that. .It doesn't make any sense at all for Aerith to blurt out, "OMG CLOD LETS FUK LOL!" but I guess I like to hear it from people I know because I know myself how much they know about the situation and can cite it if necessary.

Besides if this ever comes up in debates, I want to be able to show them these things.

Also I find it amusing that the allexperts Japanese guy was named "Matt." Yeah that's a real Japanese name for you

Also in B4 debate about religion.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

But...did anyone really believe "I want to meet you" meant sex? I mean, really?

Wait, wait wait... it doesn't?!?!?

No wonder I never get laid! I'm doing it wrong! O.O /sarcasm

 

[DrakeClawfang]

"I want to meet you" means "I want to fuck you."

Exactly, ever heard of a rendezvous?

"Tifa's called a lover by the director but he doesn't say to whom, so it clearly means no one"

"Aerith called Cloud a lover, so that means he is one"

He's a lover-boy, if that's what you mean. Come on, he got two chicks to fall in love with him!

"In Japanese, ellipses usually mean a refusal"

I don't know about that one. I'm gonna have to defer to the Master of the Ellipses. Come on in Squall!

Squall: ..............

Squall, can you give us some insight as to how ellipses can be used to signify refusal?

Squall: ..............

Thank you.

"Wearing the colors of your dead boyfriend and the ribbon he got you doesn't mean you still love him anymore"

I agree, it's a clear sign Aerith isn't over Zack as long as she's wearing pink. Personally I'd rather she wear nothing at all.

"Can koibito mean a nice person?"

I dunno, if someone was doing the mattress mambo with me, I'd consider her nice!

"Can saying 'I want to meet you' mean 'I want to have sex with you?'"

Yes it can. "I want to meet you....in bed". Boom chica wow-wow!

"If someone is called a koibito in an outside creator statement, does that mean the other person is their partner?"

Let's see if anyone gets the "master of the ellipses" line.

 

[Tennyo]

He's a lover-boy, if that's what you mean. Come on, he got two chicks to fall in love with him!

More than two, actually. I would be surprised if half the female characters in that game were in love with him. Standard JRPG cliche and all that.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

This shit reminds me of people who argue for teaching "Intelligent Design" and "Evolution" is just a "theory." And people have to start dredging up shit that's been accepted and proven as scientific fact and peer reviewed for decades, all because some crazy fucks can't accept the fact we evolved from monkeys.

What's sad is I was thinking that this morning. Evolution is clearly a lie, because there are some 'holes' in between various stages of evolution, but a big, scary man in the sky clearly made hoomins and everything in between because it Just Makes Sense. Similar to how Cloud and Tifa makes no sense because there's been no visible kissing scenes or sex scenes, but Cloud and Aerith is perfect and true love because, well, they just are.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

More than two, actually. I would be surprised if half the female characters in that game were in love with him. Standard JRPG cliche and all that.

The really funny thing is, that Aerith and Tifa never kiss Cloud that we see, but we get a kiss from Yuffie! Why aren't there more Cluffie shippers?

I love this thread, I really do. Fuck actually discussing the LT, I just like popping in for posts like my last one.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

The really funny thing is, that Aerith and Tifa never kiss Cloud that we see, but we get a kiss from Yuffie! Why aren't there more Cluffie shippers?

I'm closet Clouffie. Also it's Clouffie and not Cluffie.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

The thing to remember also is that, even though she's dead in AC/C, Aerith totally spends the entire film flirting with Cloud! Don't believe me? Just look at her dialogue!

"You came. So, why did you come?"
"You came for me, that's all that matters."
"Ready?"
"Let's go Cloud."
"This one's a little too big."



EDIT - The LT is solved! I just saw this on-line, a deleted scene from AC. The LT debate is over, this scene was meant to settle it but they cut it. Wanna see?

Spoiler

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Shit, I have that picture but with Tifa and Vincent. OH SHIT NEW LT GAIZ

 

[Celes Chere]

Are you sure? I thought there was no significant change to the morning after scene between the two versions.

Yeah, I really didn't see a big change, besides Tifa's reaction when she finds out the party was watching and a few removed lines. It's not like he's stone cold in the scenes, or anything. It's still described in a positive light in the Ultimanias anyway, so I'm not sure it really matters.

"Wearing the colors of your dead boyfriend and the ribbon he got you doesn't mean you still love him anymore"

Oh, come on! I wear gifts from my exes all the time.

Zack and Aerith never broke up really, so I'm not sure he should be referred to as Aerith's ex at all. And, I wear articles of clothing and wear gifts that my exes have given to me, especially if I'm still friends with them. What Aerith does is a bit more, though. She hasn't taken that ribbon out of her hair since the day Zack has given it to her. (Besides for necessary reasons, I assume) She's wearing the pink dress she promises to wear for him the next time they meet. If she were over Zack, she'd stop keeping that promise, especially if she were in love with another man entirely. Those two things were symbols of their relationship, and it's great if you want to keep someone's memory alive, but the dress combined with the ribbon is a bit overboard for just 'honoring a memory'. I mean, come on now. =/ That's just a poor excuse. The Anti-Zerith stuff really fucking bugs me sometimes, way more than the Anti-Cloti stuff. Just because, Zerith has been proclaimed a relationship that WILL last forever. There is no way around that, so I wish people would stop trying to bullshit their way through it and prove that Cloud loves Aerith already.

 

[Dashell]

Oh, come on! I wear gifts from my exes all the time.

I do

Honestly, I do
And I use the stuff they gave me because it's convenient.

 

[KissTheRain]

Are you sure? I thought there was no significant change to the morning after scene between the two versions.

No not really, the only difference is Cloud asks Tifa how she slept and then says they gotta go, but in the low affection he doesn't. I'm pretty sure at least though I usually/always get the good version. (:

"Wearing the colors of your dead boyfriend and the ribbon he got you doesn't mean you still love him anymore"

She hasn't taken that ribbon out of her hair since the day Zack has given it to her.

I understand the clothes and all which is ADORABLE MAN, but I think it's a different bow in forms of shape, color, level of newness etc. But Aerith had a different bow for everyday of the week from the flashbacks so you can't count her liking a bow she picked out on her own as complete Zerithness, imo. It's only natural of the girl to be wearing a bow.

Spoiler

"I want to meet you" means "I want to fuck you."

Well personally, I think a gondala with the fireworks and all would be a pretty nice place to fuck.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Well personally, I think a gondala with the fireworks and all would be a pretty nice place to fuck.

You have no idea how many lemon fics I've seen take place during the date scene. Hell, I've written one.

 

[Celes Chere]

I understand the clothes and all which is ADORABLE MAN, but I think it's a different bow in forms of shape, color, level of newness etc. But Aerith had a different bow for everyday of the week from the flashbacks so you can't count her liking a bow she picked out on her own as complete Zerithness, imo. It's only natural of the girl to be wearing a bow.

It's not a different bow. <=/ The bow looks different in the graphics at the end of the game. And let me humor your thought by saying the bow is different. There is still no explaination for the dress. But, why would they bother connecting Aerith's bow and dress to Zack, when they didn't have to? Why would they do that, if they didn't want you to think that her bow is connected to Zack? It makes no sense for her to not be wearing the bow Zack gave her in the game, when the creators have informed us of their connection to this man. In your picture example, two pictures are from an AU game. The other two are from when Aerith was a child, which has nothing to do with her ribbon in Crisis Core. She wasn't wearing a ribbon in CC, obviously, so apparently she doesn't need to wear one every day, lol. It also didn't seem to be a natural trend for her in CC. She only started wearing it when Zack came along. Before then, you can assume that Aerith hasn't worn a ribbon since childhood.

Anyway, if a bow is natural for Aerith, then there would be no reason to connect her bow to Zack in the first place. But they did, and I assure you that it's not for no reason. My apologies, but saying the bow is different defies much logic.

 

[Dashell]

I guess it does make sense for Aerith but I don't like the idea that because you wear something an X gave you it means you're not over them. I mean I KNOW that they tied the bow in with Zack for a reason... and it makes the ending to AC/C all the more sweet really. She finally gets to be with him again. daaawww ...

But anyway, one of my first BFs, Tom, brought me a nice necklace and I liked it a lot. I wore it even after we broke up because I liked it, not because I wasn't over him. Same with Rob, we were together a few years ago and broke up... but I kept the gloves he gave me and always wore them cause they were warm

I also kept and wore the watch he gave me cause.. well I liked it. It had nothing to do with me not being over him.

I realize Aerith's case was different than mine, ... but I did want to point that out

 

[Isabella]

So they go out of their way to link Aerith's iconic pink ribbon to Zack, and then, without any cues from the story, we're supposed to think it's a different pink ribbon? lol

Status quo rules in storytelling. In other words, we're too assume nothing has changed until we're shown/told that it's changed.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

So they go out of their way to link Aerith's iconic pink ribbon to Zack, and then, without any cues from the story, we're supposed to think it's a different pink ribbon? lol

Status quo rules in storytelling. In other words, we're too assume nothing has changed until we're shown/told that it's changed.

We were never shown/told that Cloud and Tifa sex or confessed their love. Therefore, they have not.

 

[KissTheRain]

Idk, it just looked different to me and I think Aerith has always been a bow kinda person seeing she picked out the bow and admired it and such before Zack even had a connection to it so obviously she likes them. Yeah, in the story it is linked to Zack, but to me over all the bow look for Aerith isn't all about Zack. /:

 

[Frostwave]

When Zack gives Aerith the ribbon, doesn't she tell him she'll always wear it or something? And we the audience have been given no reason to believe she's changed her mind. So until they do(which is extremely unlikely, seeing as how the woman is dead), it's the same ribbon. Simple as.