So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Fairheartstrife]

The more of those debates I read the more I'm inclined to believe all Clerith fans are 15 year old Mary-Sue self inserts that haven't read anything more substantial than some Harlequin romance novels (or Twilight). It's sad, really.

 

[aniron]

So, I was browsing through the TNC archives.

I found this post.

Note that this is before ACC and the Dengeki profiles dropped. Note how closely in line my explanation was then to the information we have now.

Ever noticed how that is? Isn't it funny how I don't have to change my explanation all that much, even when new information comes along, and how things I conjecture based on existing data gets shown to be fact as newer official information comes along?

Funny how Destiny Fulfilled needed several major rewrites after ACC.

I'm just saying it's kinda funny, is all.

Makes ya think.

I was just reading The Highwind Scene thread and had a sudden sense of deja vu.

Oh and btw, what complaints have you heard, Shroudy?

 

[Ryushikaze]

The complaints that the thread was still open.
I doubt there's a real reason. Shroudy's not exactly interested in a stand up debate.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Wait, wait, wait... The clerith side gets pwnd on a thread and it gets shut down?!? Quexi, I know you're an admin, but that's forum fail at it's finest. And what is with the labels? I thought those were gonna be removed to avoid distention?

 

[Makoeyes987]

You know, that is such utter bullshit, I'm calling it out now.

What complaints warranted the debate to be closed, when the cleriths were being asked for proof for all their claims? What the fuck?

Ryu posts an accurate translation since someone was butchering language and then suddenly the thread's closed.

Rofl, that forum is off to a beautiful start. I knew that shit wouldn't change with its opening. Registering there and looking for an actual, unbiased debate is like trying to go to Arcades and debate with Vayne for Dalmascan independence.

 

[aniron]

I wonder if any Cleriths will stand up and debate with Celes and me.
We've recieved zero answers so far in our threads.
Not that I complain about that, just wondering.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Spoiler: Well aniron, do Turks fight to the bitter end, and give it their all against a stronger opponent?

There's your answer.

 

[TheMadHatter]

Wait, wait, wait... The clerith side gets pwnd on a thread and it gets shut down?!? Quexi, I know you're an admin, but that's forum fail at it's finest. And what is with the labels? I thought those were gonna be removed to avoid distention?

It was temp shut because (I'm not trying to start anything, just pointing it out) Ryu was posting in ALL CAPS and that shows anger or insults to another person, as if that person is stupid. It will come back up when it calms down. So Shroudy did have a reason....

Maybe I'm reading a different thread, because I saw no one shoving anything anywhere near your throat.

I wasn't talking about you guys. I said, in "this case" as in the FFVII LTD. I was getting facts shoved down my throat from both sides. I'm sorry, I didn't mean you guys here.

Either your age is wrong, or you work 2 hours a day at each job, or you don't live in the US, because here, we have laws that prevent 16 year olds from working 3 grueling jobs.

They aren't jobs like working at Walmart
Side jobs. Like cleaning gutters, cutting bushes, finding cats...things like that

Also, what the hell, you say we are avoiding give you the facts but you have actively avoided reading the essay written. That's unfair.

I'm not purposely avoiding them, I just don't have time. I will read them when I have enough time.

So...what has been happening while I was gone?

 

[Makoeyes987]

It was temp shut because (I'm not trying to start anything, just pointing it out) Ryu was posting in ALL CAPS and that shows anger or insults to another person, as if that person is stupid. It will come back up when it calms down. So Shroudy did have a reason....

Oh my God...so posting in all caps is a thread closing offense there? That's so ridiculous. Bullpies. Ryu wasn't using all caps in his sentences, he used them to emphasis his words. If people over there are that spineless and thin-skinned, where they're offended by a word in caps interspersed in sentences in regular case, there's seriously something wrong, and they shouldn't even be on the internet, let alone watching tv.

 

[Max Payne]

It was temp shut because (I'm not trying to start anything, just pointing it out) Ryu was posting in ALL CAPS and that shows anger or insults to another person, as if that person is stupid. It will come back up when it calms down. So Shroudy did have a reason....

If Ryu had to come to that, then the person probably was being so stupid he had to resort to it.

 

[Makoeyes987]

And all caps don't show anger, let alone an insult. If I say, "Please LOOK at this" that means I"m emphasizing that you need to look at something. Wtf. That's so silly. That's a pretty weak reason to close a thread.

Now if Ryu or someone else said, "HEY ASSHOLES LOOK AT THIS YOU STUPID BASTARDS" then yeah..that's internet yelling and indicative of shouting and insulting.

There's a big difference.

 

[Isabella]

The rules there seem to be designed to protect the fragile. You can't even post until you have each member's permission to debate with them.

My thinking is, if you're that delicate that you need a strict web of rules to protect you, you're probably too emotionally involved in the material being debated.

 

[Max Payne]

The rules there seem to be designed to protect the fragile. You can't even post until you have each member's permission to debate with them.

Hahahahahah what the flipping fuck.

Talk about living in a bubble

 

[Vendel]

And all caps don't show anger, let alone an insult. If I say, "Please LOOK at this" that means I"m emphasizing that you need to look at something.

For example.

 

[TheMadHatter]

And all caps don't show anger, let alone an insult. If I say, "Please LOOK at this" that means I"m emphasizing that you need to look at something. Wtf. That's so silly. That's a pretty weak reason to close a thread.

Now if Ryu or someone else said, "HEY ASSHOLES LOOK AT THIS YOU STUPID BASTARDS" then yeah..that's internet yelling and indicative of shouting and insulting.
There's a big difference.

Huh...I didn't want to have to do this, but...

Ryu:

And yes, ME, there ARE other things besides sex that that can mean. I am open to it possibly not being sex.
Why are YOU utterly %#&*'ing opposed to the notion that sex could have occurred there?
Is sex somehow 'bad' 'wrong' or 'immoral' to you? Would it ruin your childhood to think that some of your old childhood heroes bumped uglies? Seriously, why the diehard opposition to the very IDEA that they made love that night?

And -

Oh, GRINDING on it, you say? So you know HOW they weren't having sex on the magic pointy rocks of invisibility?
Well you know what, PEOPLE WILL HAVE SEX PLACES THEY WOULD NEVER SLEEP DUE TO DISCOMFORT.

Its not the ALL CAPS that is against the rules, the ALL CAPS will lead to ALL FIGHTING against BOTH sides. That's why its been taken down for a while, until ALL CAPS shouldn't have to be used.

Its really not against the rules to point something out using all caps, but to post it like that, it causes problems.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Wait, THAT'S why it got closed? Because I used the ALLCAPS of Emphasis? THAT'S the issue?

I'm gonna be over here, busting a gut, if you don't mind.

Seriously. "Oh, he used ALL CAPS, let's close the thread" instead of "He used all caps, ask him to edit it to bold instead"

It is most hilarious.

 

[Isabella]

I share Ryu's frustration in his post, actually. Why are so many FF7 fans so squeamish about sex?

 

[Max Payne]

I share Ryu's frustration in his post, actually. Why are so many FF7 fans so squeamish about sex?

because underage

 

[Makoeyes987]

Huh...I didn't want to have to do this, but...

Ryu:


Its not the ALL CAPS that is against the rules, the ALL CAPS will lead to ALL FIGHTING against BOTH sides. That's why its been taken down for a while, until ALL CAPS shouldn't have to be used.

Its really not against the rules to point something out using all caps, but to post it like that, it causes problems.

Holy shit, I didn't know the internet could time travel to Victorian age of the 1830's!

Well that changes everything. If that's the case then yes, we should be respectful of the Victorian era womens' sensibilities and delicate nature. Those caps are definitely improper, undignified, and inflammatory. We really need to keep our grace and civility. For the queen.

Ryu clearly should described anything that was denoting erotica, with the language of flowers for example.

Ryu, you should know better. Think of the Victorian age women and men who look at that site. You should apologize like a gentleman.

 

[null.]

Its not the ALL CAPS that is against the rules, the ALL CAPS will lead to ALL FIGHTING against BOTH sides. That's why its been taken down for a while, until ALL CAPS shouldn't have to be used.

Its really not against the rules to point something out using all caps, but to post it like that, it causes problems.

So to summarize, a thread was closed because of something that wasn't against the rules. You don't see anything wrong with that? Do you think what you posted here will start a fight because you emphasized using caps? Personally, I think unfair moderation causes exponentially more drama than using caps.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Holy shit, I didn't know the internet could time travel to Victorian age of the 1830's!

1830's wasn't Victorian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_era

Well, three years were, but pfeh.

Well that changes everything. If that's the case then yes, we should be respectful of the Victorian era womens' sensibilities and delicate nature. Those caps are definitely improper, undignified, and inflammatory. We really need to keep our grace and civility. For the queen.

Hilariously, the Victorians were probably more obsessed with sex than the folks of the eras before and after, due in large part to their societal repression.
And Porn was available in the libraries, at the end of the era, anyways.

Ryu clearly should described anything that was denoting erotica, with the language of flowers for example.

"And so he thrust his stamen into the hot, waiting pistile..."

Oh, wait, wrong language of flowers.

Ryu, you should know better. Think of the Victorian age women and men who look at that site. You should apologize like a gentleman.

Can we settle it with a duel instead?
And really, the Victorian age men and woman can rise from their graved and bring it up with me directly if they have complaints.

So to summarize, a thread was closed because of something that wasn't against the rules. You don't see anything wrong with that?

I can certainly say I see nothing surprising about it.

Do you think what you posted here will start a fight because you emphasized using caps? Personally, I think unfair moderation causes exponentially more drama than using caps.

Of course not.
Now to go randomly lock a thread for specifically not breaking any rules of note.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Oh goddamn, cut me some slack Ryu

And yeah, it's ridiculous. I don't know how any forum is going to have a free, open debate when threads get closed over capslock and swear words. You have more posting freedom over at the 4Kids forums ffs.

 

[aniron]

I remember the same thing happened at FFF a while ago.
LTD thread has been shut down by Clerith mods, because we Clotis are just to immature and uncivilized to argue with. Duh.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I remember the same thing happened at FFF a while ago.
LTD thread has been shut down by Clerith mods, because we Clotis are just to immature and uncivilized to argue with. Duh.

As I recall, it was because I pointed out that outright deleting posts that politely expressed consternation on the way the mods and admins were conducting themselves, which was then deleted, leading to me pointing how deleting THAT reflected even more poorly, which led to a massive shitstorm I played no part in, which led to the LTD being completely banned on the forum and the Cloti club being deleted.
Yes, WE were the immature and uncivilized ones...

 

[Makoeyes987]

Clotis need to learn to keep their fucking mouths shut, with their facts and objective evidence.

Either accept Clerith as canon, or say the LTD is inconclusive and up to interpretation. Stop being rude and forcing facts down people's throats.