[Spoilers] Material Ultimania Plus discussion
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Odysseus
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I'm freaking out now that you made me think about this. Literally nothing the Turks do after Midgar matters at all. The Gongaga, Wutai, Junon, and Sunken Gelnika encounters are totally optional. Tseng "dies" before he can meaningfully impact the plot besides stealing the keystone and opening the temple first, which Cloud and co would have done anyway so Shinra gained nothing from that, and Sephiroth had to wait for Cloud to show up anyway. The required Submarine battle with Reno and the Fight with Rude at Rocket town don't matter because you can fail to get those huge materia and still progress the plot. You don't have to fight them during the return trip to Midgar.
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The Turks really are insignificant in the grand scheme of things lol. The only important thing they do is drop the plate.
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The Turks really are insignificant in the grand scheme of things lol. The only important thing they do is drop the plate.
a_apple 2.0
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rip YuffieYes, it's memories, knowledge, emotions, everything. It flows into a person's mind and like a container unable to contain it all, their mind bursts and the ego disintegrates.
EDIT: And here's the reason why Reno and Rude cannot see the Whispers.
They apparently aren't important enough to
That basically means only those who are actors on the stage of the Planet's fate are capable of perceiving them. It's like a sense.... So certain individuals are capable to some degree based on that. Pretty fucking wild.
Eerie
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For those interested in Tifa and Zangan's story, this is a summary of what happens. I do think we're going to see him included this time around! Sounds perfect to expand on Tifa's story in-game.
Eerie
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Ah, so that's the explanation as to why Rufus can see the Whispers!
KindOfBlue
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I’d argue the real-life social issues themselves have always been secondary to what’s actually the focus of the story, that being the relationships between the characters…I mean I know environmentalism and critiquing capitalism are especially trendy these days but some people online analyze FF7 like it’s the Communist Manifesto or something lol
GuardBreak
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Fantasy concepts aren't inherently bad. Some of the greatest stories written has those, but there needs to be some level of restraint and thought when deciding which ones to implement in your story and how to utilize them. If you just mindlessly shove every possible cliche trope that basically gives you a free solution out of every riddle or conflict in the story ( Time travel, multiple timelines, resurrection, premonitions about predetermined destiny, literal singularities and edges of creation), It reaches a certain point where it pretty much becomes what your story is about. It gets very contrived and hard for the audience to suspend their disbelief and engage with your story.
This why people take issue with taking a story that wasn't about time travel and then shoving time travel into it. It's not like there aren't examples of SE making stories worse by inserting time travel into them, just look at Dream Drop Distance, The Third Birthday, or FF13-2. I wonder who wrote those very well received stories. They can't possibly ruin FFVII right ?
Makoeyes987
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Literally the only game you mentioned of those 3 that was anything close to widely hated or poorly received was the 3rd Birthday, and it utilizing time travel was not the reason it's so hated.
XIII-2 sold like gangbusters, received critical acclaim and was considered a complete positive 180 gameplay wise for the franchise. And you really don't know what you're talking about if you're going to claim KH 3D was somehow widely disliked. I'm not sure what you're saying has any sort of validity whatsoever.
Maidenofwar
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Makoeyes987
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Yeah that scene and moment was pretty obvious. He literally tells us nothing we didn't know
Cloud's straight up confused feeling sadness for a moment that hasn't even happened yet. Aerith could seriously end up driving him even crazier with the unknown mood swings from feelings he's not aware of the source of.
Roundhouse
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How does this work exactly? The memory and emotional response is from the Future Cloud being transmitted to the Present Cloud via lifestream magic?
Makoeyes987
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It's akin to a premonition of the future where he feels the emotion of that moment from the future.
Whatever allows Aerith to transmit these flashes of the future, also seems to emit the emotions that correspond with the moment as well.
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Makoeyes987
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Remember when people thought they'd leave that Wall Market experience out?
ForceStealer
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Along with all the people who were certain they wouldn't include any "goofy"/"cartoony" enemies as though FF had ever stopped doing that even in better graphics.
Eerie
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We all knew it, but it looks like in chapter 18, Red XIII is the unreliable narrator when he speaks about the future:
Makoeyes987
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Like, 90% of what's been revealed so far has made sense, been what we sorta already knew and aligning with what people thought.
The whole vision during the Whisper Harbinger battle with Red XIII seeing himself in the future with his cubs, was as most said, him misinterpreting the future due to his lack of context and understanding. He thought it was a "bad" future because he literally has no idea what's going on or anything.
I'm glad the plot isn't as left-field as people thought it'd be, it's actually making sense within itself.
The whole vision during the Whisper Harbinger battle with Red XIII seeing himself in the future with his cubs, was as most said, him misinterpreting the future due to his lack of context and understanding. He thought it was a "bad" future because he literally has no idea what's going on or anything.
I'm glad the plot isn't as left-field as people thought it'd be, it's actually making sense within itself.
Makoeyes987
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I wouldn't expect all of Part 2 to be filled with them, maybe during the moments that involve specific important events, or things involving Sephiroth.
Maybe even have Sephiroth slip some visions in, except they're obviously wrong
Maybe even have Sephiroth slip some visions in, except they're obviously wrong