Spoony versus FFX

[The Twilight Mexican]

What the fuck.

 

[Vendel]

And another thing, in his FFXIII vlog, Spoony says that FFX had superior storytelling because Tidus is an everyman character in a foreign world who the audience can relate to and provides a vehicle for plot exposition. Yet in part 3 of his FFX review, he decries how Tidus isn't the main character and how it's impossible for anyone to relate to him.

So...yeah. Spoony's losing it.

No. I think the point Spoony was making was despite of all of FFX's flaws it has the basic storytelling element of having someone who needs all the shit explained to them. So the players can be filled in as well.


He wasn't praising X. He was pointing out just how horrible XIII was.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

The matter of confusion isn't that he seems to be praising X in the other review, but that he makes two irreconcilable statements about Tidus across these two reviews.

 

[Lord Noctis]

The matter of confusion isn't that he seems to be praising X in the other review, but that he makes two irreconcilable statements about Tidus across these two reviews.

The two statements aren't irreconcilable though. In his FFXIII vlog he stated that the thing FFX did betterthen FFXIII was having a character who didn't know shit about the world he was in. Therefore various people would explain what things were and key peices of history and knowledge to Tidus, and by extension the player.

In part 3 of his FFX review he statesthat Tidus is not the main character, but Yuna is, and that you can't really relate to him as a person due to him being an athletic superstar.

These two statements do not contradict each other.

 

[Vendel]

The two statements aren't irreconcilable though. In his FFXIII vlog he stated that the thing FFX did betterthen FFXIII was having a character who didn't know shit about the world he was in. Therefore various people would explain what things were and key peices of history and knowledge to Tidus, and by extension the player.

In part 3 of his FFX review he statesthat Tidus is not the main character, but Yuna is, and that you can't really relate to him as a person due to him being an athletic superstar.

These two statements do not contradict each other.

Makes sense to me.

Then again I don't have sand in my vag over this review. So maybe I'm biased.

 

[Masamune]

Here's a brief recap of what Spoony said in his FFXIII vlog:

"Even Final Fantasy X had better storytelling than this, because it's a strange, unfamiliar world with different customs, different sports, different everything. Nothing is familiar, but you know what that game had to help things along - Tidus. If Tidus did one thing right, it was that he was the dumb-ass everyman character that people had to explain things to. That's called exposition. That's called having a character who's a frame of reference for the audience."

Then in the FFX review, he goes on to say not only Tidus is an implausible, insufferable twerp, but he has no place being the main character, nay in the story altogether. Spoony is totally contradicting himself on both points. Either credit FFX for having an everyman character or don't. It sounds like he's trying to hedge his bets for this particular satire.

 

[Vendel]

Here's a brief recap of what Spoony said in his FFXIII vlog:

"Even Final Fantasy X had better storytelling than this, because it's a strange, unfamiliar world with different customs, different sports, different everything. Nothing is familiar, but you know what that game had to help things along - Tidus. If Tidus did one thing right, it was that he was the dumb-ass everyman character that people had to explain things to. That's called exposition. That's called having a character who's a frame of reference for the audience."

Then in the FFX review, he goes on to say not only Tidus is an implausible, insufferable twerp, but he has no place being the main character, nay in the story altogether. Spoony is totally contradicting himself on both points. Either credit FFX for having an everyman character or don't. It sounds like he's trying to hedge his bets for this particular satire.

So Tidus can't be a character that everyone has to explain shit to AND be an insufferable twerp?

It's not a contradiction.

 

[Masamune]

Someone's not paying attention.

We're talking about Tidus's role in the game, not his personality. Spoony went from saying Tidus is an effective everyman in his FFXIII vlog, to saying he's a pointless character who has no purpose in the story, in the FFX review. He's either one or the other.

 

[Vendel]

We're talking about Tidus's role in the game, not his personality. Spoony went from saying Tidus is an effective everyman in his FFXIII vlog, to saying he's a pointless character who has no purpose in the story, in the FFX review. He's either one or the other.

Looks like someone can't comprehend when they are butthurt.

Spoony is saying that the only thing Tidus does right is be someone that has to have shit explained to them. Expanding on how worthless he is as a character (in his mind) does not contradict that in any way.

 

[Max Payne]

Tidus isn't relate-able because he's a sportstar? lol?

If we're going by this logic almost no game character is relate-able because they're super hero, giant sword wielding super spies that can kill thousands of people with a breath.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Tidus is relate-able to us, but that doesn't mean Spoony finds him that way. Spoony seems to have a seething hatred of Tidus so it would be harder for him to relate to Tidus than it isfor us because most of us don't hate Tidus.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Tidus is relate-able to us, but that doesn't mean Spoony finds him that way. Spoony seems to have a seething hatred of Tidus so it would be harder for him to relate to Tidus than it isfor us because most of us don't hate Tidus.

But he wasn't born thinking 'WHOEVER THIS TIDUS PERSON IS I HATE HIM' right? Unless his actual thought process was 'I HATE ANYONE WHO PLAYS SPORTS AND BECOMES SUCCESSFUL' or something. I guess I just don't get why so many people hate Tidus so much.

 

[Lord Noctis]

But he wasn't born thinking 'WHOEVER THIS TIDUS PERSON IS I HATE HIM' right? Unless his actual thought process was 'I HATE ANYONE WHO PLAYS SPORTS AND BECOMES SUCCESSFUL' or something. I guess I just don't get why so many people hate Tidus so much.

Differnet people have different tastes. Some people will find Tidus' initially whiny attitude extremely irritating while others will see it as a natural reaction to these events and are able to appreciate Tidus' growth as a chaacter.

Neither side is really wrong, they just have different tastes and prefferences.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I dunno Terra...it could be something like this...

Spoony: *walks up to Tidus*
Tidus: Hi!
Spoony: Hello, my name is Spoony Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
Tidus: @___@

Neither side is really wrong, they just have different tastes and prefferences.

Kinda sucks basing your taste on an erroneous and twisted initial impression though. That's how bad taste is created.

 

[Vendel]

I think we can all agree that Tidus is an annoying cunt.

 

[Max Payne]

I think we can all agree that Tidus is an annoying cunt.

No.

I think Tidus is a weak person thrust into a fucked up situation who dealt with it as best he could.

That I can relate to and respect. I may not like him for it, but I won't condemn him because of that.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

I think we can all agree that Spoony's opinion is an annoying cunt.

fixed.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Kinda sucks basing your taste on an erroneous and twisted initial impression though. That's how bad taste is created.

Tidus whines a lot for the first few hours of the game, and off and on for most of the rest of it, so its not just an initial impression. Like I said, some people can appreciate Tidus' growth as he moves past this, but others might simply not like that type of character.

 

[Makoeyes987]

People shouldn't be so closeminded and quick to judge just because someone does something they don't like.

I mean, hell. There are lots of people I know who do shit that annoy me, but I don't instantly judge them and say they're annoying cunts. There's that saying about judging books by their covers and all, for a reason.

 

[Lord Noctis]

People shouldn't be so closeminded and quick to judge just because someone does something they don't like.

I mean, hell. There are lots of people I know who do shit that annoy me, but I don't instantly judge them and say they're annoying cunts. There's that saying about judging books by their covers and all, for a reason.

Thats true, but it doesn't change the fact that different people prefer different types of characters over others. Tidus is the character who starts off as an annoying and somewhat immature person who gradually grows out of it. Some people jsut don't like that type of character, and there is nothing wrong with that. Tidus simply isn't everyones cup of tea.

 

[ForceStealer]

HEROES MUST BE BADASS AT ALL TIMES. ANGSTING IS ACCEPTABLE FOR IT IS ALSO BADASS (for some reason). I DON'T WANT MY HEROES TO HAVE A REALISTIC REACTION TO ANYTHING, THEY MUST KILL SHIT AND LIKE IT.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Thats true, but it doesn't change the fact that different people prefer different types of characters over others. Tidus is the character who starts off as an annoying and somewhat immature person who gradually grows out of it. Some people jsut don't like that type of character, and there is nothing wrong with that. Tidus simply isn't everyones cup of tea.

There's a difference between not liking a type of character and ignoring facts about a character because they don't fit with your preferred version of events.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Thats true, but it doesn't change the fact that different people prefer different types of characters over others. Tidus is the character who starts off as an annoying and somewhat immature person who gradually grows out of it. Some people jsut don't like that type of character, and there is nothing wrong with that. Tidus simply isn't everyones cup of tea.

Those people need to shut up, sit down, and drink their goddamn tea.

 

[Vendel]

Those people need to shut up, sit down, and drink their goddamn tea.

Here, if you have some tea, and I have some tea, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching? And my straw reaches acrooooooss the room and starts to drink your tea, I... drink... your... tea!

I drink it up!

 

[Joker]

I think we can all agree that Spoony's opinion is an annoying cunt.

fixed.

I read this as

"I think we can all agree with Spoony's opinion that Vendel is an annoying cunt"