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Megs, I feel you've greatly misread Yuna.
Once Yuna knows that the religion is bullshit, she still makes the choice to go forward and die. Watch the scene with her and Tidus at the Macalania spring again. They discuss the idea of Yuna just doing things for herself, but she says she can't -- not because others would be disappointed in her, but because it's not what she wants most.
Actually, Yuna comments at one point that she wants her journey to be full of laughter. She very much was interested in getting the most out of her final days, but was determined not to let that sideline her mission.
And like looney said, she is scared.
She cries about it in the Macalania spring scene.
The Crusaders and Al Bhed tried defeating Sin without a summoner on more than one occasion. Look at Operation Mi'hen for how that always turned out for them. =P
As for people not questioning the machina thing, why would they? That's the controlling power of religion.
Of course, it wouldn't have been hard to vilify machina from the start considering that the warmongering of the machina city of Bevelle led to the creation of Sin in the first place -- and the fact that Sin was programmed by Yu Yevon to attack machina. Especially the latter fact.
So let one of those other summoners die instead? Someone else she'd like to see happy and free instead of a cluster of pyreflies on the Farplane? That would run counter to what's most important to her: the happiness of Spira's people.
I'm also confused by your reading of Wakka, by the way.
I know that if they truly repented and years later we're still treating them like they're the same, we then would begin to look like -- and actually be -- the douchebags.
Ever know a chick in high school who was a bitch and stole other girls' boyfriends just to prove that she could? If you run into her at your 10-year high school reunion and have prior knowledge of the fact that she now runs a charity for children, provides marriage counseling, advocates monogamy, and is married to someone she's loyal to, what kind of an asshole are you going to be to approach her and say, "Hey, whose guy have you stolen this week, you fucking ho"?
Again, if negative traits truly no longer apply to someone, you'd be a douche to treat them in a bad way based on those traits. That's just the way it is. Otherwise, it makes about as much sense as attacking a stranger on the street while accusing them of being something negative when you actually know nothing about them.
For that matter, people who have done things that were wrong and repented kind of have a pretty damn good perspective on the subject. More so than someone who can claim no dark side.
If you're willing to accept that perspective then I can see why you would feel the way you're espousing. If you refuse to let the matter be defined in such a way and instead establish a metahpor using the surface of a still pond, then a different conclusion can be reached.
No redeeming qualities? Bravery? Loyalty to his family? The kindness he showed Tidus, a stranger in need? Willingness to die to make the world a better place?
Come on now.
I'll try to take care of that now:
Strength of will -- the same thing that allowed them to become unsent in the first place.
Of course, if they just stood there without interfering in a sending, it would probably take them eventually. Sendings aren't instantaneous, after all, so there's a moment to do something.
Also, as happens with Seymour in the final battle against him, it helps to weaken them first so that they can't escape during the sending.
I think it's either that or because, once there, he may be unable to leave.
He's holding them together with his will in that form, so he must be holding them together so cohesively that they only show when he wants them to -- as when he shows Tidus one of his memories following Yunalesca's defeat.
You said:
Once Yuna knows that the religion is bullshit, she still makes the choice to go forward and die. Watch the scene with her and Tidus at the Macalania spring again. They discuss the idea of Yuna just doing things for herself, but she says she can't -- not because others would be disappointed in her, but because it's not what she wants most.
Megs said:
Actually, Yuna comments at one point that she wants her journey to be full of laughter. She very much was interested in getting the most out of her final days, but was determined not to let that sideline her mission.
Megs said:
And like looney said, she is scared.
She cries about it in the Macalania spring scene.Megs said:
The Crusaders and Al Bhed tried defeating Sin without a summoner on more than one occasion. Look at Operation Mi'hen for how that always turned out for them. =P
As for people not questioning the machina thing, why would they? That's the controlling power of religion.
Of course, it wouldn't have been hard to vilify machina from the start considering that the warmongering of the machina city of Bevelle led to the creation of Sin in the first place -- and the fact that Sin was programmed by Yu Yevon to attack machina. Especially the latter fact.
Megs said:
So let one of those other summoners die instead? Someone else she'd like to see happy and free instead of a cluster of pyreflies on the Farplane? That would run counter to what's most important to her: the happiness of Spira's people.
I'm also confused by your reading of Wakka, by the way.
I know that if they truly repented and years later we're still treating them like they're the same, we then would begin to look like -- and actually be -- the douchebags.
Ever know a chick in high school who was a bitch and stole other girls' boyfriends just to prove that she could? If you run into her at your 10-year high school reunion and have prior knowledge of the fact that she now runs a charity for children, provides marriage counseling, advocates monogamy, and is married to someone she's loyal to, what kind of an asshole are you going to be to approach her and say, "Hey, whose guy have you stolen this week, you fucking ho"?
Again, if negative traits truly no longer apply to someone, you'd be a douche to treat them in a bad way based on those traits. That's just the way it is. Otherwise, it makes about as much sense as attacking a stranger on the street while accusing them of being something negative when you actually know nothing about them.
For that matter, people who have done things that were wrong and repented kind of have a pretty damn good perspective on the subject. More so than someone who can claim no dark side.
Megs said:
If you're willing to accept that perspective then I can see why you would feel the way you're espousing. If you refuse to let the matter be defined in such a way and instead establish a metahpor using the surface of a still pond, then a different conclusion can be reached.
Megs said:
No redeeming qualities? Bravery? Loyalty to his family? The kindness he showed Tidus, a stranger in need? Willingness to die to make the world a better place?
Come on now.
I'll try to take care of that now:
Strength of will -- the same thing that allowed them to become unsent in the first place.
Of course, if they just stood there without interfering in a sending, it would probably take them eventually. Sendings aren't instantaneous, after all, so there's a moment to do something.
Also, as happens with Seymour in the final battle against him, it helps to weaken them first so that they can't escape during the sending.
Megs said:
I think it's either that or because, once there, he may be unable to leave.
Megs said:
He's holding them together with his will in that form, so he must be holding them together so cohesively that they only show when he wants them to -- as when he shows Tidus one of his memories following Yunalesca's defeat.
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