Because people were specifically mocked for past beliefs. Because people were generally hostile jerks to one another. Because too much shit that should have stayed on other forums were brought up. Because outrageous comparisons were made between groups. Because people had too much bad blood against people of different groups.
Because evidently, some people just can't formulate arguments without insulting the other side *sigh*
Yes, and that behavior was not limited to the one thread or the one topic. You acted in that general manner several other times.
That's not the point, Ryu. People are still just as able to shrug shit off (no one here is taking any of this personally, you'll realize), the difference being there was so much bad blood and negativity stemming from that thread -- correction, (at least) three threads that the only option was to crack down on that behavior entirely. The first page clearly states none of that is to be tolerated anymore. Most of the people who kept posting in that thread either followed those rules or had to leave.
Mod or not, you're just as bound to those rules as you post frequently in the topic and were just as much a part of the problem that caused it to come to this. You're just as bound to the strict rules as any of us, and you stepped out of line. That's the issue here.
I recognize that. I'll take my lumps. My argument is not that I should be spared, but that the rules need a revision.
I will agree, dealing with any lingering resentment is better than burying it and hoping it goes away. But, those in charge of a community have to set an example and lead by it, so rather than breaking rules in certain threads it might be best to address them in other threads. Like we did with the anger and such that resulted from the Name Change Drama(tm) a short while back. Tis my opinion, at any rate, that such a course is preferable. Let the so called "band-aid" heal as best it can while treating the underlying cause of the wound elsewhere. At least until a different consensus is reached among the staff that the rule doesn't work, since it kinda undercuts your fellows' authority otherwise.
My rule breaking was entirely a matter of carelessness, not intention aforethought. It has merely brought up that I feel the issue needs to be examined more thoroughly.
I think the bottom line is this Ryu, people don't like to see other people insulting their friends or calling them dumb or what have you. I don't like going into the LTD thread and seeing things like, "Those idiots at CxA actually believe blah blah blah." because those "idiots" are my friends.
Except that's not what I said. I said there are people who assert a particular claim and that I was glad she wasn't one of them. The Why is because it's one less thing I have to deal with.
That was my problem anyway. It's why I say names shouldn't be named and we should attack arguments and not people. People want to discuss the LTD not "What so and so thinks or did 3 years ago." I mean... okay SOME people want to attack people and what not, but I think the majority in that thread would rather discuss LTD related stuff and not the people involved.
Does any of that make sense?
Ironic, then, that they're discussing me mentioning a vague assortment of people rather than actually discussing the LTD.
So you admit to breaking the rules yet your implying because YOU don't think the reasoning behind it is valid, it shouldn't be inforced.
Wow it's like reading all the previous staff BS involving aka fields.
If your all going to band together on the united front of "it's a rule so stick to it" then deal with the concequences.
Actually, we are not banding together on the 'It's a rule stick to it' because we have explained the reasoning behind the Name change requirements. Additionally, I feel there's a letter and a spirit of a law, and both willfull and negligent violations of that law.
No one else has any lingering resentments that I can see -- we all get along in and out of that thread just fine. It's your unwillingness to change your condescending, self righteous attitude that people are sick to death of. It's shipping. It's the LTD. It's just fucking tired, man.
Okay, now we're making some progress- You think I have a condescending, self righteous attitude.
My question then is if you have this issue with me, why didn't you bring it up WITH ME and long ago?
This. If that's how you're going to be, Ryu, then I very seriously think you shouldn't be a mod.
Except that's not my stance. I'll take my lumps and try and keep within the guidelines of the rules as they are, but that's a different matter than thinking the rules are badly constructed and need revision, as I have since the beginning.
That's because it is. I note that he still hasn't...explained it.
The lesson of the mote and the beam in the eye comes from the bible and predates the English language. I didn't think I'd have to.
However, what it means is that one should make sure to examine their own faults and recognize them before criticizing them in others.
Also, while you may not be denying you broke the rules set forth, Ryu, you also haven't admitted that you did.
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"I don't deny I broke the rules" Now does not equal admitting that I broke them?
Yes. People had to be warned because they didn't know what exactly the mods were wanting, but since those two people have been warned, people now understand what you can and cannot do in the thread. Heck, you were even warned about joking around with people's semantics earlier in the thread, and now we're having to discuss you bringing up another forum.
Come on, Ryu, stop being worse than the members about this. :\
Agreed, again. Like I said, you were already told to knock it off with mocking people's semantics and grammar. I am honestly shocked why you don't understand that bringing up other forums isn't allowed either.
I was not mocking your grammar or semantics. I was trying to make a joke, yes, but I meant no malice by it. I am sorry I offended you by doing so.
It was the way he worded it. "Good you don't think like they do"... why is it good? Obviously because he finds it ridiculous or stupid that they think that way. That's kind of how I took it anyway.
Or obviously I don't like talking about it and I'm glad I don't have to because it has irritated me each time it's come up.
Lol, this is turning into half my debates with Shroudy. Me thinks word games are being played. My quote that I posted that you said you had a problem with was much closer to his original.
I'm sorry but what is the huge difference here? Why is yours not offensive when mine is and Ryu's isn't but mine is even though mine is closer to his? the only difference I see is that I spoke of something that you believe in.
And I spoke of something insisted. I have no care what they believe. It was bringing it to the argument that I was glad wasn't going to happen.
If I am arguing with a creationist about the feasability of Noah's ark, I'm glad when they don't also bring up Baraminology as well. It's something else that I'd have to deal with that I don't have to deal with.
Also I figured out what bothers me about what Ryu said. Had anyone else said it, it'd have been fine, but because Ryu said it and because he mentioned CxA, to me it's an automatic insult. He rarely if ever says anything nice about him and normally only mentions them to mock and ridicule them.
With friends like you, who needs enemies.
So I automatically assumed this is what he was going for. If he honestly had no intentions of trying to insult them, then my bad, but because he has such bad blood with them, I might have jumped the gun.
As I mentioned, I was trying to contrast a comment made by Raven. I was not intending to slur anyone.
And that's not insulting him at all. I'd have taken it the same way coming from Vendel.
And that's not insulting me?
So... here's what I really want to know about all this:
Is it too much to ask for a thread where if people want to discuss the LTD, they can without people running in and going "NO 1 CURR!" and "THIS IS OLD!" and spamming up the place cause THEY don't want to talk about it, AND, in that same place talk about the LTD without trying to start a them vs us? I mean is that such a big deal? I just really don't get why that's an issue.
It might be, yes, but the issue with that is figuring out how to stifle that without stifling the thread.
To be fair, I preferred it the way it was. A little heated discussion - whether on-topic or not - never hurt anybody. I mean we never got ridiculously personal with that bullshit, and if we did then yeah it's dealt with properly.
It added a touch of spark.
Some of the best debate forums I know keep themselves on simmer at all times.
Just ban Ryu from participating in them for a set amount of time?
If someone's incapable of actually sticking to the rules and just causes this much of a fuss then go put them in a time out from it till they learn to behave.
For the record, I've largely been absent from the thread and nominally arguing for a revision or relaxation of the rules, a position with its detractors and its supporters. I'm the spark for the fuss, perhaps, but the spark can't spread without fuel.
Ryu, go to your room and think about what you did.
Won't help. I keep all my coolest toys there.
Incidentally, I do know what I did. I have, unintentionally, sparked several pages of people ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS AND OPINIONS HONESTLY rather than tossing off macros or glib responses, something this forum could definitely use more of on controversial subjects. And if I have the long term effect of keeping it that way, then I'll take my lumps and wear 'em proudly with a 'tis a far far better thing' as my cheery tune.
