The Abesence Of Gast's Presence In the Compilation

[jazzflower92]

I believe it is Grimoire Valentine you're thinking of, if I'm not mistaken.

I always wondered why did they put Grimoire Valentine in here but had no time to mention Gast.

 

[Obsidian Fire]

It really depends what you mean by experimentation. There's the type of experimentation done to Zack and Cloud, but then there's also "soft" experimentation, which is more like observation. It's usually just keeping track of what someone does, and introducing new things into their environment without them knowing.

Given that in CC, Sephiroth is shocked that Genesis would think the Science Department experimented on Genesis and Angeal (and Sephiroth), I think Sephiroth was raised in such a way that he didn't think he was a science experiment.

Also, Sephrioth probably does know Hojo is his father. It's canon that he absorbed all the knowledge the Lifestream has, and Gast's knoledge is part of that.

 

[jazzflower92]

It really depends what you mean by experimentation. There's the type of experimentation done to Zack and Cloud, but then there's also "soft" experimentation, which is more like observation. It's usually just keeping track of what someone does, and introducing new things into their environment without them knowing.

Given that in CC, Sephiroth is shocked that Genesis would think the Science Department experimented on Genesis and Angeal (and Sephiroth), I think Sephiroth was raised in such a way that he didn't think he was a science experiment.

Also, Sephrioth probably does know Hojo is his father. It's canon that he absorbed all the knowledge the Lifestream has, and Gast's knoledge is part of that.

I think it was a mix of observation and some things like Mako injections.I do think that maybe during his childhood he was given Mako injections but like you said every Soildier gets them and he came to see them as normal routine for him.I mean it can be possible that he was raised from the getto in Shinra's lab with Hojo hovering over his upbringing.Like I said in Dirge of Cerebrus they mention Sephiroth being shipped off to Shinra which indicates that he was raised in the labs.Also remember he was raised from day one to be a soldier and probably was treated more like a mini adult than a child.


If he did then why did he not kill the guy I mean that is what bugs me or SE didn't really think it through when they were writing this.But the fact he never goes after Hojo really seems to me to be a byproduct of the fact that Hojo orginally wasn't that improtant in the story.I remember reading that orginally Hojo would be killed earlier and would not have been that much important except instead of cloning Sephiroth he cloned Red XII.

I also want to mention the fact he has been told all his life that Jenova was his mother.If he was being told all his life that Jenova was his mother.It does send a signal that he was raised under Shinra's care which means he could have been in the labs.I can say his life has been a controlled enviorment from the day he was born.I think he would have been from the time he could be taught to fight he was trained to have the mind of a warrior.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

He doesn't go after Hojo because Hojo is entirely unimportant to him. Father or not, he's still just a miserable little ball of walking complexes and inferiority. Everything important about Sephiroth, in his own mind, came from Jenova, not that prat Hojo.

Besides, he was planning to kill and absorb EVERYONE. No sense bothering with one specific person unless that person's name is Cloud

 

[jazzflower92]

He doesn't go after Hojo because Hojo is entirely unimportant to him. Father or not, he's still just a miserable little ball of walking complexes and inferiority. Everything important about Sephiroth, in his own mind, came from Jenova, not that prat Hojo.

Besides, he was planning to kill and absorb EVERYONE. No sense bothering with one specific person unless that person's name is Cloud

Then again Jenova has been a slightly better parent than Hojo. If your son prefers a parastic alien over you then you know that you suck as a parent.

I also note in Dirge in Cerebrus someone said that Hojo wanted to cleanse the Lifestream of Jenova's influence.I have a feeling that will invoke Sephiroth's wrath probably because of the fact that Hojo is stepping into his territory and he probably would actually like to give him the big wallop that he has been itching to give him all this time.

I actually think that Hojo would try to go into conflict with Sephiroth although I think he would get his butt handed to him because fo the virtue that Sephiroth controls Jenova.

 

[Mariketsu]

I was actually under the impression that Gast, after finding out the real origin of Jenova from Ifalna and such, was unable to face Sephiroth after the project succeeded and was one of the reasons he ended up leaving the company. I also think this was connected to the fact that he tried to stop Hojo from taking Ifalna and his daughter so they wouldn't suffer a similar fate (experimentation).

Correct me if I'm wrong (and it has been a long time since I played the OG) but that's how it came off to me.

Also, as far as Hollander is concerned, he may have been uninteresting as a character, but I believe he was created for CC as a means of explaining the secrets behind both Angeal and Genesis. Even if they underwent similar procedures as Sephiroth, I feel they wanted to add another scientist to the mix so their backstories wouldn't get lumped on Hojo or Gast (especially since both of them were already primarily involved with Sephiroth). This may have been a bad move as far as new characters go, but I think it made it less problematic, story-wise. (Had he not been created, I think it just would've made everything with Hojo and Gast and the Project even more complicated.)

@ Topic, I do agree that Gast's apparent absence from the rest of the compilation is a bit odd, but, hopefully there is a reason for this. Then again, maybe there wasn't a literal need for him to be mentioned in some of the titles, being it wasn't a direct focus, regarding him. Still, more backstory on him would be nice, like maybe a diary record or something of the like.

As far as his motives and intentions, maybe he wasn't a straight-up good guy, being he was involved with the Project from the beginning, but still had enough morals to realize that maybe they were overstepping boundaries, especially after Jenova's true origin came to his knowledge. I believe there is one defining difference between Hojo and Gast: Hojo was obviously shown to not care for those he used for experimenting, being as he only seemed to regard them simply as such, but with Gast, he seemed more caring and not so inhuman. That's just me, though.

~ Raz

 

[jazzflower92]

I was actually under the impression that Gast, after finding out the real origin of Jenova from Ifalna and such, was unable to face Sephiroth after the project succeeded and was one of the reasons he ended up leaving the company. I also think this was connected to the fact that he tried to stop Hojo from taking Ifalna and his daughter so they wouldn't suffer a similar fate (experimentation).

Correct me if I'm wrong (and it has been a long time since I played the OG) but that's how it came off to me.

Also, as far as Hollander is concerned, he may have been uninteresting as a character, but I believe he was created for CC as a means of explaining the secrets behind both Angeal and Genesis. Even if they underwent similar procedures as Sephiroth, I feel they wanted to add another scientist to the mix so their backstories wouldn't get lumped on Hojo or Gast (especially since both of them were already primarily involved with Sephiroth). This may have been a bad move as far as new characters go, but I think it made it less problematic, story-wise. (Had he not been created, I think it just would've made everything with Hojo and Gast and the Project even more complicated.)

@ Topic, I do agree that Gast's apparent absence from the rest of the compilation is a bit odd, but, hopefully there is a reason for this. Then again, maybe there wasn't a literal need for him to be mentioned in some of the titles, being it wasn't a direct focus, regarding him. Still, more backstory on him would be nice, like maybe a diary record or something of the like.

As far as his motives and intentions, maybe he wasn't a straight-up good guy, being he was involved with the Project from the beginning, but still had enough morals to realize that maybe they were overstepping boundaries, especially after Jenova's true origin came to his knowledge. I believe there is one defining difference between Hojo and Gast: Hojo was obviously shown to not care for those he used for experimenting, being as he only seemed to regard them simply as such, but with Gast, he seemed more caring and not so inhuman. That's just me, though.

~ Raz

I espically agree with that last paragraph and after thinking about it I think he has some similarities with Lucrecia in the fact that he gueninely wants to do good for the world but does some questionable things that he later regrets.

I am thinking that Gast might or might not have known Hojo was Sephiroth's father.I am thinking he does know Hojo is father and really becomes disgusted that the man is willing to do experiments on his own son.I also think that there should be more info about the rivalry Gast and Hojo had because they did seem to have some beef with each other.

I can imagine Hojo taunting him about why he has grown a concious after all this time.I think also Hojo would pull a not so different rant against Gast saying he was too willing to experiment on humans.

I think Hojo would be the main reason why he may have left as well.Gast was beginning to question does he want to go the same path as his rival in order to obtain stuff in the name of science.This actually puts a good compare and contrast between Hojo and Gast.Mostly because Hojo was willing to experiment on his wife and child and let his child be raised in a loveless enviorment since the day he was born and be trained to be a soldier from day one.Gast on the other hand stood to protect his wife and child from being experimented on by Shinra and lost his life in the process.Gast might not be a saint but I think he was a good man at heart who made grave mistakes and later saw the error of his less moral actions.

 

[Mariketsu]

I also have to agree with others who said that Sephiroth didn't have a bad childhood as well.

I feel he had a decent childhood, just that he didn't have prominent parents in the picture. Of course, Hojo would want to keep tabs on him through his life, but that doesn't mean he was completely isolated from everyone else. It's true that they may have kept him within ShinRa's reach at all times, but I believe he was allowed to be around other children his age and such.

My evidence for this is when Sephiroth speaks to Zack, talking of how he knew he was different since he was a child. This tells me that he was around other children, but the differences between him and them made themselves very clear to his knowledge from the start.

~ Raz

 

[Obsidian Fire]

Only in the OG, Gast found out Jenova wasn't a Cetra from Ilfana after he'd been on the run from Shin-Ra for years... as far as I know, that hasn't been retconned yet.

And yeah, it's kinda hard to know you're not normal unless you know enough about what normal is, which Sephiroth clearly does. It is a key reason to his going crazy after all; he always knew it wasn't normal, and he didn't have a good explanation for it until he found out what Jenova was.

 

[jazzflower92]

I also have to agree with others who said that Sephiroth didn't have a bad childhood as well.

I feel he had a decent childhood, just that he didn't have prominent parents in the picture. Of course, Hojo would want to keep tabs on him through his life, but that doesn't mean he was completely isolated from everyone else. It's true that they may have kept him within ShinRa's reach at all times, but I believe he was allowed to be around other children his age and such.

My evidence for this is when Sephiroth speaks to Zack, talking of how he knew he was different since he was a child. This tells me that he was around other children, but the differences between him and them made themselves very clear to his knowledge from the start.

~ Raz

I don't know because if he had a decent childhood I think he would have had better social skills than he did when he was shown sane in Crisis Core.Also unlike Angeal and Genesis there is no mention of foster parents with Sephiroth.In fact it might go with the theory he probably had minimial interaction with other kids and when he did have some chance with other kids he often felt different.

I still want people to remember that they showed in Dirge of Cerebrus that when Sephiroth was born he was shipped off to Shinra.Which actually indicates he was raised in the labs because why would they send him anywhere else.

Like I said I don't think it was decent mainly because if you remember that also Sephiroth was trained to be a solider since he was young.Come on its Shinra it would not have been on the level of the Tsviets but I think he was isolated,trained, and tested on to make him into a perfect being.

 

[Mariketsu]

That's true. I suppose due to his intelligence, he would know he was different, but it wouldn't entirely suggest he was around other people. I kind of forgot that factor xD. And yeah, I remember that, when he was taken from Luci.

As for the Tsviets, they were another matter entirely, something not even all of ShinRa was aware of .

Also, Hollander was a different kind of wierd, aside from Hojo. What I mean is, both Genesis and Angeal had parental figures, yet they underwent a similar procedure. Hollander seems caring, but underneath, he's actually a different kind of crazy .

EDIT: Ah, see this is why I'm not good at debate-discussions, lol.

~ Raz

 

[jazzflower92]

That's true. I suppose due to his intelligence, he would know he was different, but it wouldn't entirely suggest he was around other people. I kind of forgot that factor xD. And yeah, I remember that, when he was taken from Luci.

As for the Tsviets, they were another matter entirely, something not even all of ShinRa was aware of .

Also, Hollander was a different kind of wierd, aside from Hojo. What I mean is, both Genesis and Angeal had parental figures, yet they underwent a similar procedure. Hollander seems caring, but underneath, he's actually a different kind of crazy .

EDIT: Ah, see this is why I'm not good at debate-discussions, lol.

~ Raz

Not to mention Sephiroth seems to have been raised in a controlled enviorment with one purpose to be trained be the perfect warrior.I think Shinra would have done a lot in the power to make Sephiroth into their poster boy for the Soldier program.I would see his childhood as being one filled with training/testing with little interaction with other kids his age.

Remember his conversation with Elfe in Before Crisis she mentions about him having something to fight for.Which further indicates that his life has been a controlled experiment with him having no real goal in life except battling.

Back to Gast I wonder if he knew about the SOLDIER program or left before they were doing it.I know that Hojo was the main mastermind behind the project.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I don't know because if he had a decent childhood I think he would have had better social skills than he did when he was shown sane in Crisis Core.

There are many people in the real world who did have decent childhoods who have worse social skills.

I still want people to remember that they showed in Dirge of Cerebrus that when Sephiroth was born he was shipped off to Shinra.

You keep saying this, but 'shipped off to Shinra' doesn't mean 'Shipped off the Shinra's labs'. 'Shipped off to Shinra' could mean literally anywhere, as Shinra owns everything in the modern infrastructure. Hell, they're specifically stated to own orphanages.

 

[jazzflower92]

There are many people in the real world who did have decent childhoods who have worse social skills.



You keep saying this, but 'shipped off to Shinra' doesn't mean 'Shipped off the Shinra's labs'. 'Shipped off to Shinra' could mean literally anywhere, as Shinra owns everything in the modern infrastructure. Hell, they're specifically stated to own orphanages.

Except most of his behavior comes from the fact that he was raised in an enviorment that caused him to become the person he was in Crisis Core.

I would say the labs because why anywhere else because think of it why would they need to send him to an orphanage I don't think they would have let their priced speciman be adopted.

Also another thing to note he knows a lot about he experiments that Hojo has done.I think it would imply he would have some familiarity with the projects Hojo has done.Another point he was raised in the labs.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Except most of his behavior comes from the fact that he was raised in an enviorment that caused him to become the person he was in Crisis Core.

I would say the labs because why anywhere else because think of it why would they need to send him to an orphanage I don't think they would have let their priced speciman be adopted.

Also another thing to note he knows a lot about he experiments that Hojo has done.I think it would imply he would have some familiarity with the projects Hojo has done.Another point he was raised in the labs.

I have no doubt he has experience in the laboratories. Nor do I doubt that his personality is shaped by a childhood that I of course admit was...odd. But there is a difference between being familiar in a laboratory setting and being raised in a lab.
I would say that Shinra conducted most of their testing in the form of visits every so often under the guise of 'hey, you're a lot smarter/stronger than the other kids. Let us help you be somebody.'

Imagine if you will a kid who played in little league football. For reasons unknown to him, (but not to the government) let's say he's really good at it. Like, noticeably. Now let's say when this kid is a teenager or so the government approaches him, promising NFL stardom if he simply comes to a training center for some tests, and so on and so forth. He jumps at the chance.

Eventually, this is normal to the kid, playing football, being faster, stronger than everyone, and going to 'that place' every so often for testing, blood samples, running in a treadmill with nodes attached, and so on. Although he gets to live a relatively normal life so he doesn't go completely bonkers, the combination of being better than everyone else, and the fact that he goes off to government facilities changes his personality to one of a quiet arrogance. Eventually, the government hires him full time to play in the Olympics against, I dunno, Russia, or China or something. The kid, now an adult at this point, simply goes along with it because that's what he's used to.

Now replace those keywords with Sephiroth/Shinra/SOLDIER/Wutai War/etc. My point being, stuffing your superpowered science project in a lab for 20+ years is a shitty way to get decent results. If that was the case, Sephiroth would have killed everyone years ago. It's pretty much a standard fiction trope; lock someone in a lab for years on end, they eventually break out and kill everyone. It's definitely possible to observe someone without having to raise them literally in a laboratory.

As far as the orphanage point goes; they're friggin Shinra. Surely they can prevent/arrange from someone under their ward to be adopted without their consent. They're not that retarded for 'whoops someone accidentally adopted Sephiroth how'd we let that happen'. They'd just prevent it.

 

[Obsidian Fire]

Orphanages do not equal adoption. And yes, Shin-Ra does own everything, technically speaking, Rufus grew up in Shin-Ra too, for that matter, so did Angeal and Genesis, Cissnei did as well.

I think you also have to realize that people growing up in wartime and learning how to be warriors at a young age is a very common happening in Japanese manga/anime. The mental stability of said individuals ranges from seriously messed up to relatively sane. Even SE does this. In FFVIII, all of the characters are in their mid teens, and a large portion of their lives has been spent learning how to kill stuff. Then you get to series like Naruto where several of the more important cast members became professional killers before the age of 10 and instead of being the ones who go crazy and go against the system, the majority of them are relatively sane and are definitely the good guys. So even if Sephrioth did grow up in a more controlled environment, it isn't the best indicator of where he would be mentally.

In FFVII, Sephiroth joins SOLDIER at the age of 12/13, CC happens when Sephiroth is 20/21. That's a good eight years of not being under the direct influence of the Science Department, but instead being with SOLDIER. From the sound of it, Genesis and Angeal joined only a year or two after Sephiroth and they knew him for most of the time they were in SOLDIER. However Sephiroth grew up, he was at least able to make real friendships with two people who grew up in a very different environment then he did, had different interests then he did, who Sephrioth could joke around with, play fight with, etc. He was good enough friends with them that he turned down missions to go after them when they deserted, and is concerned about them when he thinks they're going crazy. He had to learn to do that somewhere, and I don't think he learned it in a lab.

 

[jazzflower92]

I have no doubt he has experience in the laboratories. Nor do I doubt that his personality is shaped by a childhood that I of course admit was...odd. But there is a difference between being familiar in a laboratory setting and being raised in a lab.
I would say that Shinra conducted most of their testing in the form of visits every so often under the guise of 'hey, you're a lot smarter/stronger than the other kids. Let us help you be somebody.'

Imagine if you will a kid who played in little league football. For reasons unknown to him, (but not to the government) let's say he's really good at it. Like, noticeably. Now let's say when this kid is a teenager or so the government approaches him, promising NFL stardom if he simply comes to a training center for some tests, and so on and so forth. He jumps at the chance.

Eventually, this is normal to the kid, playing football, being faster, stronger than everyone, and going to 'that place' every so often for testing, blood samples, running in a treadmill with nodes attached, and so on. Although he gets to live a relatively normal life so he doesn't go completely bonkers, the combination of being better than everyone else, and the fact that he goes off to government facilities changes his personality to one of a quiet arrogance. Eventually, the government hires him full time to play in the Olympics against, I dunno, Russia, or China or something. The kid, now an adult at this point, simply goes along with it because that's what he's used to.

Now replace those keywords with Sephiroth/Shinra/SOLDIER/Wutai War/etc. My point being, stuffing your superpowered science project in a lab for 20+ years is a shitty way to get decent results. If that was the case, Sephiroth would have killed everyone years ago. It's pretty much a standard fiction trope; lock someone in a lab for years on end, they eventually break out and kill everyone. It's definitely possible to observe someone without having to raise them literally in a laboratory.

As far as the orphanage point goes; they're friggin Shinra. Surely they can prevent/arrange from someone under their ward to be adopted without their consent. They're not that retarded for 'whoops someone accidentally adopted Sephiroth how'd we let that happen'. They'd just prevent it.

Two words:The Tsviets

I can and do imagine that Shinra would do something like stick Sephiroth in the lab in his childhood and be under the care of scientists with Hojo running tests on him.I mean they did that sorta of stuff to the Tsviets.Also I think people are giving Shinra too much credit for fully thinking things through.I mean they kept on doing the Jenova Project even when Gast learned that she was not a Cetra.

Also another thing would he not have made friends in the orphanage that he would have mentioned.I think I am against the orphanage idea because of the fact he made friends in SOLDIER then he would have made friends in the oprahange which would have had an effect on his social skills.If he was raised in an orphanage he would have not have been as standoffish as he was in Crisis Core.Plus would have mentioned growing up in an orphanage.

Also a big tidbit that sends a hint he grew up in the labs is the fact that Shinra kept telling him Jenova was his mother.

Also Sephiroth was actually 15 when he joined Soldier and 25 when Crisis Core happened.Remember in the Orginal Game he was 30 years old because Vincent said he was shut inside his coffin for thirty years.

I think most of all he live a mostly isolated life while as an adult Shinra spoiled him because he gave them results.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

One word:The Tsviets

Yes, and they were absolutely fucking crazy from the outset and were of no use to Shinra whatsoever.

Also another thing would he not have made friends in the orphanage that he would have mentioned.I think I am against the orphanage idea because of the fact he made friends in SOLDIER then he would have made friends in the oprahange which would have had an effect on his social skills.If he was raised in an orphanage he would have not have been as standoffish as he was in Crisis Core.Plus would have mentioned growing up in an orphanage.

He made friends with his SOLDIER buddies because they had the same occupation, skillset, and they were more or less his equals and peers. Some dirty orphans would have not fit the bill. I'm not saying he had to grow up in an orphanage perse, but I don't quite agree with your points.

Also a big tidbit that sends a hint he grew up in the labs is the fact that Shinra kept telling him Jenova was his mother.

That doesn't really have anything to do with growing up in a lab. Sephiroth thought that Jenova was a dead person, he didn't know she was an alien in a tube.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I still want people to remember that they showed in Dirge of Cerebrus that when Sephiroth was born he was shipped off to Shinra.Which actually indicates he was raised in the labs because why would they send him anywhere else.

Well, it makes sense that they would want him in Midgar, under close observation and protection. They had a lot invested in him, and were counting on him for even more.

Like I said I don't think it was decent mainly because if you remember that also Sephiroth was trained to be a solider since he was young.

You keep mentioning that, but that wasn't really the case. They wanted him to lead them to the Promised Land -- what they expected to be a land of abundant mako. The soldier thing was just a happy coincidence.

Except most of his behavior comes from the fact that he was raised in an enviorment that caused him to become the person he was in Crisis Core.

But you don't know what that environment was and are just making assumptions about it. The scenario Mog painted makes as much -- if not more -- sense than Seph sleeping in a glass bubble.

I would say the labs because why anywhere else because think of it why would they need to send him to an orphanage I don't think they would have let their priced speciman be adopted.

Genesis was adopted by a couple on Shin-Ra's payroll.

Also another thing to note he knows a l
ot about he experiments that Hojo has done.I think it would imply he would have some familiarity with the projects Hojo has done.Another point he was raised in the labs.

The SOLDIER procedure seems to be common knowledge. People call their eyes "mako eyes" for a reason.

Only in the OG, Gast found out Jenova wasn't a Cetra from Ilfana after he'd been on the run from Shin-Ra for years... as far as I know, that hasn't been retconned yet.

Oh, silly Obsidian, of course they retconned that. You should know better than to have hope:


http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-vii/284/crisis-core-complete-guide-keyword-collection/6/


"Gast Faremis
Aerith’s father, and a genius scientist famed for research into the
Ancients. From [ μ ] -εуλ 1970 to 1980, he took the post as head of
the Science Department at Shinra, and proposed the Jenova Project with the aim of recreating an Ancient using Jenova, a specimen found underground. However, as the project was under way he realized that Jenova was not an Ancient, and racked with guilt over his misguided research he deserted Shinra. After that he settles in the Icicle Lodge with Ifalna, who escaped with him, and she gives birth to Aerith.
However, 20 days later, he was shot and killed trying to defend his
wife and daughter as Hojo tried to take them away."


http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-vii/284/crisis-core-complete-guide-keyword-collection/8/


"Jenova Project
A project started by Gast approximately 30 years previous, when Jenova was excavated from the earth. This project, also known by its other name of the ‘Ancients Project’, involved using cells from Jenova to artificially create a new generation of Ancients, with the ultimate goal being to make them search for the Promised Land. Project S and G are part of this same project.


This project was started under a fundamentally mistaken idea, that Jenova was an Ancient. When he realised this, Gast quit his post and disappeared from Shinra."





I really don't like this retcon -- and it is definitely a retcon. The Ultimania Omega for VII even mentioned that Gast left Shin-Ra because he felt guilty, and only later did he meet Ifalna at Icicle Inn, then learned from her that Jenova was not an Ancient to begin with.

 

[jazzflower92]

Yes, and they were absolutely fucking crazy from the outset and were of no use to Shinra whatsoever.



He made friends with his SOLDIER buddies because they had the same occupation, skillset, and they were more or less his equals and peers. Some dirty orphans would have not fit the bill. I'm not saying he had to grow up in an orphanage perse, but I don't quite agree with your points.



That doesn't really have anything to do with growing up in a lab. Sephiroth thought that Jenova was a dead person, he didn't know she was an alien in a tube.

For Sephiroth's training I don't think they would have done it at the extreme of the Tsviets.But they did probably it on a lower level.

I think Sephiroth would not be as proffestional as he was in CC if he was in an orphanage.I think living in an orphanage would have taught to have fun and to interact with others.And he would connected a little more to the kids around him.Also if he had foster parents why were they not mentioned at all.I mean a lot of other parents and foster parents have been mentioned but for Sephiroth all he said that he was only told that Jenova was his mother.

Also the public might know that SOLDIERS get injected with mako but I don't think they know all of Shinra's ugly secrets like the Tsviets or Jenova.

Also back to the main topic how involved with the SOLDIER program do you think Gast was.Or was it all Hojo's idea.I also wonder if Gast tried to show his research to Shinra about Jenova's true nature but they ignored him seeing that Jenova could actually be beneficial to them.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I think Sephiroth would not be as proffestional as he was in CC if he was in an orphanage.

My actual real life military service has plenty of examples to prove you to the contrary. One, professionalism is professionalism. Of course your upbringing has a factor in your behavior, but once you put on that uniform, it doesn't matter; how professional you are starts from then onward. In a fictional setting like FFVII I'm sure that still applies.

If anything, its an insult to servicemen everywhere to assume that you'd have to be raised in a government lab to be professional (I know that's not what you're saying, but still)

Also if he had foster parents why were they not mentioned at all.I mean a lot of other parents and foster parents have been mentioned but for Sephiroth all he said that he was only told that Jenova was his mother.

Who said he had to have foster parents? In the Metal Gear Solid series, Solid Snake mentioned that he was raised by 'many people' and another source said he bounced from foster parent to foster parent so often that it couldn't be narrowed down to any particular pair who raised him.

I think living in an orphanage would have taught to have fun and to interact with others.And he would connected a little more to the kids around him.

There are plenty of people who, like I said, had normal upbringings but they're still stoic, reserved, and standoffish. Like I said above, there are people in the real world even worse off than Sephiroth when it comes to social skills.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

^Listen to Mog now, for he speaks truth. Sephiroth has only ever been shown with two real friends and the beginning of a friendship with Zack. What do those four men have in common? SOLDIER 1st Class, that's what. Even before he went off the deep end and decided to be a god, Sephy was already arrogant. He outright says he felt "special" in a way the other kids weren't during that oft-referenced flashback. Not just different, special. Better. We can't say for sure he never made a friend before SOLDIER ever at all, but if he didn't? Its because those normies weren't important or impressive enough to be friends with.

 

[jazzflower92]

My actual real life military service has plenty of examples to prove you to the contrary. One, professionalism is professionalism. Of course your upbringing has a factor in your behavior, but once you put on that uniform, it doesn't matter; how professional you are starts from then onward. In a fictional setting like FFVII I'm sure that still applies.

If anything, its an insult to servicemen everywhere to assume that you'd have to be raised in a government lab to be professional (I know that's not what you're saying, but still)




There are plenty of people who, like I said, had normal upbringings but they're still stoic, reserved, and standoffish. Like I said above, there are people in the real world even worse off than Sephiroth when it comes to social skills.

I also want to know what gives any true indication Sephiroth had a normal upbringing because from the games it implies that actually is not the case.

I think its from his behavior is the fact that he was often mentioned as being cold and distant.I think he learned to open up only later in life when he joined SOLDIER.I mean personality doesn't always come out of nowhere sometimes there are circumstances that lead to people acting a certain way.

I think a better term would be he seems to always be very socially awkard and it would indicate that he does lack social skills.Also if you remember the duel between him and Genesis it shows how at times he can go overboard when it comes to fighting.

For the special part I also think that Shinra drilled it into his head that he was to be perfect and that he was special which was enforced because he felt different from the other children.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

But I never said he had a normal upbringing. There is a lot of gray area between a picket white fence and playing catch with Dad and spending your entire childhood in a glass tube.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

I also want to know what gives any true indication Sephiroth had a normal upbringing because from the games it implies that actually is not the case.

When and how does the game imply this? I'd like to see an example.

I think its from his behavior is the fact that he was often mentioned as being cold and distant.

I was like that for years. No one ever stuck me in a mako tube or anything.

I think he learned to open up only later in life when he joined SOLDIER.I mean personality doesn't always come out of nowhere sometimes there are circumstances that lead to people acting a certain way.

True enough, sometimes there are circumstances. And sometimes people are just how they are.

I think a better term would be he seems to always be very socially awkard and it would indicate that he does lack social skills.Also if you remember the duel between him and Genesis it shows how at times he can go overboard when it comes to fighting.

He is only socially awkward from other people's perspective. From his own, its entirely the people feeling awkward who are at fault. He's Sephiroth, and they just don't matter enough to try and be smooth with.

Also, Genesis went overboard in that sparring match way before and, honestly, to a greater extent than Sephiroth. You don't see Sephy blowing up their other friend for trying to keep them from killing each other after all.

For the special part I also think that Shinra drilled it into his head that he was to be perfect and that he was special which was enforced because he felt different from the other children.

The way he says it comes off as him having come to this conclusion on his own. So yeah, I really can't see Shinra doing this.