He could definitely use one, no doubt.
It's Cliche by now to mention the egg metaphor, but... the egg metaphor.
I would agree if the original game hadn't shown a storm beginning that night and abating by sometime the next day.
That wouldn't be an issue if they hadn't said the storm wasn't Meteor induced, but a natural storm.
In fairness, it's not any more awkward than "Palmer getting hit by a truck means he got away."
Well, it is, since Palmer at least get smacked aside by the truck and we lose track of his position. Which isn't to say it's not awkward. But differently awkward.
I'm surprised no one pointed out during that longwinded argument over the FFVII logo that Nomura didn't draw it. Amano did.
And more surprised still that after the argument was over and
hito mentioned that it was drawn by Amano and
then OWD did too that nobody seemed to reconsider their prior statements about Nomura ambiguiting it up.
I'm not so sure Nomura's one for visual ambiguity, himself, either. He's typically very clear about what things are, just vague on the 'why.'
Not saying that it couldn't have still been intended to be ambiguous, but it's not really like Amano to do that. His stuff might look like he just kicked over a few jars of paint and allowed it to puddle and settle where it would, but it's still usually obvious at the end of the day what he was going for.
Even if it looks like he's gotten there mid acid trip, yes.
On a related note, it seems like "Nomura" is used in this fandom the same way "Hajime Yatate" is -- except only one of them really is a collective psuedonym for the contributions of an entire staff.
I try and make the distinction about what Nomura does and does not influence. He makes characters, but then the writers get hold, and surprise him.
He didn't expect Quistis to be a teacher, for example.
First, I need to say that I literally jumped out of my seat and clapped my hands when I read this, because I visualized Que bashing her head against her monitor when she saw you say that Squall's crystal was a feather.
So, thank you for that.
Interestingly, her reaction was the reaction of a lot of people before the game came out.
Which all gets back to making sure you do the research first.
Second, though, I want to point out that in addition to Squall's crystal not being a feather, Zidane's isn't necessarily the crystal from the end of the game either. The master crystal isn't the only one with that design -- the crystals within planets all look like that too if the diagrams in FFIX's Ultimania are anything to go by.
Which they probably are. There's a crystal in Bran Bal you can walk right up to, and it looks like that.
Just as OK, Cecil, Bartz, Terra, and Cloud hold objects that look generically like sources of power from their world.
And when you posted this, I expected someone to respond with stuff like, "So, what, Terra's crystal is a snowflake and Bartz's is a stick?" But no one did. =(
You people disappoint me.
It needs time before the joke is fresh again. Can't run it into the ground.
The WM was supposed to be insignificant at first glance. Aeris wears it in her hair in plain view and no one ever comments on her wearing a materia on her head. That's because the size and color are off and it is considerably smaller. It's literally the size of a tiny marble.
LOOK AT HOW SMALL THE FUCKING THING IS! (0:51)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6BY-rGrYa0
So no, Ryu is not fucking nitpicking at all.
No skin off my back if you think it's WM, but people are making it seem like it'd be the viewer's first thought and anyone else is just reaching/nitpicking when in actuality, ALL magic materia in FFVII is green and materia system is pretty much what the gameplay's based on.
Thank you for all that.
However--even if Amano is not into symborism as much as Nomura, that doesn't mean the logo still wasn't purposely ambiguous. FFVII was never supposed to have a compliation; the ending was purposely a mindfuck that people argued over. Did they all die? Did Lifestream save everyone? What the fuck is that "Let's go to the promised land!" all about? What really was the promised land? ETC ETC
Aca Pulco.
The same kind of feeling is invoked in the logo--obviously, it's Meteor and a materia, but is it representing Holy coming to save everyone or is it the Black Materia and we're all fucked? It's up to you!
Is it even Meteor and Materia? Maybe it's Meteor and the planet. Maybe it's Meteor and the Planet, AND Meteor and a Materia.
Obviously, we can't really go all out with our interpretations about the ending anymore, which is why I'm inclined to believe it's Holy. But it could really be either. In any case, there's a little materia next to the meteor, was all I was getting at, before a round of selective blindness happened.
There's a circle. You see it as a materia, but it might not be.
I find it hilarious that it's far more upsetting that Squall's crystal be tied to Rinoa than Cloud's having something to do with Aeris.
Dude, Squall's crystal has jack all to do with ANYTHING. It's the leaping to conclusions based on nothing that irks.
I mean granted, it's an awful romance in an awful game, but you gotta just learn to laugh at it.
Seriously though, everyone was so quick to say what it wasn't, but no one that I've seen actually said what it was. Does the Ultimania say what it is? Because I keep looking at it and between Splintered and I, I think we compromised saying it looks like a gunblade with some feathers attached to it. Or spikes. It looks like a gunblade with some crap attached to it.
The Ultimania doesn't say a damn word on those crystals. Which is ass.
All I was trying to get across was that the crystals seem to have some attachment to the hero's specific world/story.
World, yes. Story... not so much.
Of course not. I'm just making the point that there's not a lot of reason to think so given that Amano's other logos aren't intended to be.
In any case, because of the monument in Edge, we know that the main part of the logo is intended to be Meteor. The monument even has that little sphere that's caused so much ruckus suspended above the depiction of Meteor:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ozkai/3358905248/
http://www.midgar-rock.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=4042
That brings us no closer to figuring out what the little sphere is, of course, but at least there's no question of what the larger object in the logo is (not that I think there ever really was, but -- as this discussion showed us -- disagreement can and will happen wherever
even the most peripherally related to the LTD).
This is a bit more correct.
I'm not saying the little sphere's identity isn't ambiguous, by the way. It is. We don't know what it's supposed to be. I just think that if Amano were directly asked this question, he would probably have an answer.
"That? That's just a circle. I mean, you might as well ask about the story significance of the birds. I just like drawing birds."
I don't really think it's any more likely to be one or the other myself. Given that the picture doesn't make a lot of sense either way (it's not like Meteor had either materia actually following it), it's altogether Amano being stylish. Hell, Meteor doesn't even move fast enough to produce a vapor trail like the one in the logo.
It might not be a vapor trail, but debris from being impacted by ShinRa 26.
For clarification, like Que said, it's that this misconception about his crystal keeps cropping up despite how many times it's been clarified, not that it could have in some way been related to Rinoa. The feather was obviously a reference to Rinoa. The Ultimania for Dissidia even pointed that out.
Yeah, the issue isn't 'HIS CRYSTAL DOESN'T REFERENCE RINOA, RARGH!' but 'That's not his crystal, though it is a reference.'
That's because no one knows.
It's damn near impossible to even guess.
It's a tiny figurine of Hyne. Prove me wrong.
Much like the little sphere in the FFVII logo, we can say pretty definitively that it isn't a chocobo, Sephiroth or Cloud's mom, but we don't really know what it actually is. "Probably a materia" is the best we can do.
Though we can say it's not an alternately colored Materia.
Whether it's even a specific one is reading more into it than we have reason to.
It's a Half mastered Comet. Trufax.
The Ultimania does not say what it is, no. I agree, though, that it looks vaguely like a gunblade, but with some crap attached.
But it looks vaguely like so many things, as do so many things comprised of a lot of little lines.
Yes, but it also works with the prevailing explanation that the crystals more or less represent sources of power associated with their worlds -- WoL's is a mini-Water Crystal, Firion's is a ... thing (we don't know what this one is either)
There's an Ultima Crystal in FF2, that's about it.
, OK's is a mini-Wind Crystal, Cecil's is one of the eight crystals from FFIV, Bart'z is one of many, many crystal shards from FFV, Terra's is a magicite, Cloud's is a materia, Squall's is ... also a thing, Zidane's looks like the crystals that reside at the heart of worlds, and Tidus's is a sphere (same thing as a materia).
And we can only guess that WOL and OK's crystals are those specific two because their worlds have only four, and they're color coded, same with the crystal you get Ultima from in 2. It's not so easy with FF5, 6 7, 9, and 10.
Before you were saying that they represent something personal to the characters, though, rather than something generally related to the worlds they hail from.
Something, I point out, falls entirely apart when you consider Firi and Cecil alone, to say nothing of Bartz, Squall, and Zidane.
True enough, but if they played the game they're at least aware that there's more than one crystal that looks like that. And though the Ultimanias are Japan-only, so is BC, so I wouldn't put too much stock into considerations that they may be going with what's most recognizable.
Obviously, recognition wasn't a consideration for Firion and Squall's crystals at any rate.
Crystals aren't exactly important to their worlds, either.
That's the AC Playback section of FFVII's 10th Anniversary Ultimania, actually.
And that was just Cloud's Promised Land. Everybody has their own.
Tres's can't be mentioned without incurring felony charges.
Aerith's is the honey bee inn.
Also, what did this exactly mean, given the context?
