The Final Fantasy VII LTD Thread (Round 4)

[Tennyo]

haha I forgot about that part.

You know, that is really hilarious when you think about it.

 

[Vendel]

haha I forgot about that part.

You know, that is really hilarious when you think about it.

I always chuckle when I see someone use that line as proofs that Aerith can reach Cloud or make him feel good or whatever. But they always forget that last little part. I wonder why?

Kinda like when they quote Cid and Barrets convo about C/T in CoB and they can only manage half of it.

 

[Dashell]

I did not know that existed, thank you.

 

[Ⓐaron]

jenova is officially the most nefarious villain in ff history

Meh, Jenova might mind control people and she might want to kill everyone on the planet but she doesn't ever appear to take pleasure in killing people. Kefka takes pleasure in it: "Nothing can beat the music of hundreds of voices screaming in unison!" I think that's a lot more nefarious. I can't think of any other villain who's that much of a sadist.

 

[Tennyo]

Yeah, somehow I get the impression that Jenova might actually do it based on instinct. Like, an animal.

 

[Dashell]

lol, guys, I don't think Zee was serious.

 

[looneymoon]

So Jenova is the one that got Cloud into a hot-tub of hot, sweaty, burly men? Not some underlying homoerotic tendencies?

Nefarious she may not be, but pervy she certainly is. I bet she has a ton of Cloud/Sephiroth porn doujinshi stashed somewhere.

 

[Dashell]

Nefarious she may not be, but pervy she certainly is. I bet she has a ton of Cloud/Sephiroth porn doujinshi stashed somewhere.

No, guys, I'm NOT Jenova, stop looking at me like that.

 

[Roger]

Yeah, somehow I get the impression that Jenova might actually do it based on instinct. Like, an animal.

Yeah I used to think so too but originally in FFVII the sentence "because you are... a puppet." wasn't said Sephiroth but came from Cloud's, Jenova.

 

[Zee]

lol, guys, I don't think Zee was serious.

i am flat and humorless just like cloud apparently

 

[Winter]

I'm pretty sure the laugh was genuine. Jenova was in control of his consciousness 80% of the game, so if you're gonna argue that then half of the CLOTAY PROOFS aren't really valid either.

the idea of jenova using cloud to seduce aeris is pretty hot though

 

[Zee]

I always knew what this fandom needed was more tentacle porn.

 

[Vendel]

I'm pretty sure the laugh was genuine.

Which is why it specifically mentions him still being controlled by Jenova? And let me finish that quote

"Even after rediscovering his true self and beginning a new life, he is bound by a sense of guilt and mostly keeps the same sullen expression. When you think of this, the smile he shows at the end of AC (see image below right) is deeply emotional."

So when he is himself and smiles it is deeply emotional. When he laughs at with Aerith in FFVII it is under Jenova control.

Jenova was in control of his consciousness 80% of the game, so if you're gonna argue that then half of the CLOTAY PROOFS aren't really valid either.

80% of the game? Really?

Anyways when was the last time you saw anyone arguing "cloti proofs" from the first disk? Sure you can play that game if you want. But it is ultimately meaningless when it comes to the real Cloud and his thoughts/feelings.

Those are disclosed in the LS and under the HW. Oh and EVERYTHING that follows.

 

[Tennyo]

So Jenova is the one that got Cloud into a hot-tub of hot, sweaty, burly men? Not some underlying homoerotic tendencies?

Nefarious she may not be, but pervy she certainly is. I bet she has a ton of Cloud/Sephiroth porn doujinshi stashed somewhere.

But if Sephiroth is her "son" then wouldn't that be like, incest?

I'm pretty sure the laugh was genuine. Jenova was in control of his consciousness 80% of the game, so if you're gonna argue that then half of the CLOTAY PROOFS aren't really valid either.

What proofs do you mean, exactly?

 

[Dashell]

I don't think there's any Cloti proofs on the first disc really O_o

 

[Vendel]

I don't think there's any Cloti proofs on the first disc really O_o

Or Clerith ones for that matter. Then again there are not any clerith proofs anywhere.

 

[Winter]

so next time you guys talk about Cloud joking with Tifa about sleeping next to her, I'm going to remind you that his brain was under the control of an alien.

so yeah, just because he's under jenova's control doesn't mean parts of himself don't show through.

i need to take a page out of zee's book and just stop trying to find any logic in this at all

 

[Winter]

"Even after rediscovering his true self and beginning a new life, he is bound by a sense of guilt and mostly keeps the same sullen expression. When you think of this, the smile he shows at the end of AC (see image below right) is deeply emotional."

So when he is himself and smiles it is deeply emotional. When he laughs at with Aerith in FFVII it is under Jenova control.

before zack died and aerith died cloud was not a sullen person. the quote says RIGHT THERE that he's sullen because of the events that had transpired in his life. the smile at the end of AC is meaningful not because cloud is a constantly unhappy or sullen person, but because he's overcome the traumas in his life that put him in the rut he was in during AC.

do I need to spell this out for you? clerith-being-jenovas-fault, while an amusing theory, is ultimately completely retarded, and so are you.

 

[Dashell]

so next time you guys talk about Cloud joking with Tifa about sleeping next to her, I'm going to remind you that his brain was under the control of an alien.

Honestly I haven't seen anyone use that as proof of anything because he doesn't HAVE to say that. And when he does, Tifa is confused. So if anything, that's just more proof that he wasn't himself.

before zack died and aerith died cloud was not a sullen person. the quote says RIGHT THERE that he's sullen because of the events that had transpired in his life. the smile at the end of AC is meaningful not because cloud is a constantly unhappy or sullen person, but because he's overcome the traumas in his life that put him in the rut he was in during AC

Uhm... yes?

 

[Winter]

Honestly I haven't seen anyone use that as proof of anything because he doesn't HAVE to say that. And when he does, Tifa is confused. So if anything, that's just more proof that he wasn't himself.

he doesn't have to "fuck" tifa under the highwind either, but you all are convinced he does anyways IN ALL VERSIONS OF ANY GAME, so there's that.

although really it does make sense that wasn't entirely cloud, that's just such a zack thing to say.

Uhm... yes?

I was informing Vendel that he was wrong. What kind of response is that?

 

[Dashell]

he doesn't have to "fuck" tifa under the highwind either, but you all are convinced he does anyways. so there's that.

I'm not

And the difference is how often the High affection version of the highwind scene is mentioned while the low affection version gets nothing. And regardless of what version is canon, they shared feelings that night and end up living together. So either the High Affection version is canon, or they shared feelings in both versions.

?

I wasn't sure why you wrote that . I completely agree with what you said and I didn't feel that Vendel was trying to say otherwise... though he might have been I'm not sure, it IS Vendel.

 

[Zee]

i need to take a page out of zee's book and just stop trying to find any logic in this at all

Arguing with people who seriously think Cloud was Jenova on disk one is like arguing with the mentally retarded.

 

[Tennyo]

so next time you guys talk about Cloud joking with Tifa about sleeping next to her, I'm going to remind you that his brain was under the control of an alien.

Um... no one (here, anyway) has ever used this as proof. :/

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

I was informing Vendel that he was wrong. What kind of response is that?

Telling Vendel he is wrong is like telling a wall that is in the middle of a room for no reason that it has absolutely no purpose. Certainly, it's true, but it's not like it's gonna care.

Um... no one (here, anyway) has ever used this as proof. :/

Actually, I think Vendel has.

 

[looneymoon]

But if Sephiroth is her "son" then wouldn't that be like, incest?

Spoiler: shipping has no boundaries

Arguing with people who seriously think Cloud was Jenova on disk one is like arguing with the mentally retarded

She was too distracted by Aeris' hilarious jokes to realize she was in the midst of the one person who could foil her son's evil master plan of total destruction.