The Final Fantasy VII LTD Thread (Round 4)

[Ryushikaze]

Nothing about romance

Nothing about anything. Quex, facetious non answers are not the correct response to 'correct me if I'm wrong.'

I can completely understand FFG being tired of updating her site. A while back I was writing my own essays that presented the Clerith side of an argument and the Cloti side of an argument. I got the Cloti arguments from this site. I had to constantly go back and revise my essays because arguments kept changing every other day. And you know what? It wasn't just the Clerith side I was changing. I've honestly seen both sides do it.

There is, however, a difference. It's, AGAIN, not just changing the argument. That's normal. It's the shifting of blame to SE, and the projection of guilt.

I don't understand why people can't just say "Okay we were wrong, our bad." and move on. Why does one group have to be "right" about every little thing?

Pride.

But being right about every little thing isn't always a bad thing. It is if your answer has to be the exact right one, but it's not if the exact right answer is what you're after.
Startpoint and endpoint.
Top down and Bottom up analysis.
That's the defining line between rabids and reasonable debaters. And FFG and other rabids start from their conclusion. The Red String fisaco, the 'Aerith literally lives on inside Only Cloud' Mako parasite idea, Spirit Sex.

 

[Tifabelle]

I don't understand why people can't just say "Okay we were wrong, our bad." and move on. Why does one group have to be "right" about every little thing?

Why does one group insist on being wrong about every little thing?

To be serious though, it's not even about being right or wrong, so much as it is blatantly making shit up and blessing the word "interpretation" so that you can twist anything you want to be fact. There's a huge difference.

 

[ForceStealer]

I like to imagine if these characters were real people and what their reactions would be to the fact that, despite saving the world, all people care about is who likes who.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I like to imagine if these characters were real people and what their reactions would be to the fact that, despite saving the world, all people care about is who likes who.

Bemused, then Amused, in that order. We are talking about people who after saving said world, more or less settled into an amazing obscurity.

Actually, people discovering Cloud, Tifa, Barrett, Etc. were the people who saved the world and kept giving them stuff by way of thanks might make an interesting story. Add in some folks who think they're to blame for stuff like Geostigma too, you got an interesting tale.

 

[Vendel]

While true it was not to the level of Koi Bito or the Red String, it did persist for some time after the movie first came out, long after we knew Cloud had been living with Tifa. (of course, the 'He lived the the church for two years' thing still isn't completely dead, either), it was out there, and I did encounter it, though IIRC it was on GameFaqs and possibly EOFF.
The point of Reminding them about it (alongside other things) isn't to mock them (many other things can be shown to do that), but to remind them and everyone they've been playing the 'We didn't say that' Shell game with disavowing all knowledge of what they've said since before the movie came out, that it's been going on for five years now.

You know it's one thing to call the ever changing stances before the movie came out "speculation". But the fact that the idea of two separate groups of orphans would even come up speaks to a level of rabidness in itself.

I guess when you look at everything through the pink lens of C/A then the ever changing positions are not backpedaling at all. Because no matter what happens it all means Cloud loves Aerith and spends as little time with Tifa as possible.

And as you said to this day they are still trying to pull the same crap. How many people still say Cloud didn't return home after AC? "We never actually see it. But we see him with AERITH!"

 

[null]

I don't understand why people can't just say "Okay we were wrong, our bad." and move on. Why does one group have to be "right" about every little thing?

I don't know about being right all the time, but I only recall one "side" making a fake interview in a fake restaurant to change the meaning of a well-defined word. Or writing essays about Tifa's smile at Cloud really being a hopeless frown distorted by lens flare. Or loads of other contrived crap.

It was never about who loves who, it was about making fun of a ridiculous propaganda machine constituting the greatest unintentional comedy since Mike Tyson retired. I guess that makes some of us assholes for pointing it out. Oh well. Life is cruel, buy a helmet.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Best fucking motto for adulthood.

"Life is cruel. Buy a helmet."

 

[null]

I lifted it from some dude posting about seal slaughter

 

[Ryushikaze]

I don't know about being right all the time, but I only recall one "side" making a fake interview in a fake restaurant to change the meaning of a well-defined word. Or writing essays about Tifa's smile at Cloud really being a hopeless frown distorted by lens flare. Or loads of other contrived crap.

Remember Aerith's ribbon in the Credits of AC? The one that was literally just a lens flare? Yeah... that was sad.

It was never about who loves who, it was about making fun of a ridiculous propaganda machine constituting the greatest unintentional comedy since Mike Tyson retired. I guess that makes some of us assholes for pointing it out. Oh well. Life is cruel, buy a helmet.

I have a bat. Buy two.

Ven, they can be shown the 'He returns to Tifa and the Kids' citations and they'll STILL insist he doesn't go back to living at the 7th heaven. Guess they all moved into the church, then.

Oh, and we don't ever see him with Aerith, either.

'Driving into/through a flower field.' I sigh, heavily.

 

[Madame Mayor]

But when he called Tifa he asks her to close the bar TOMORROW so what's he doing that day... obviously not going home after a long day of work. He's getting some flower action.

The orphans thing wasn't speculation, it was desperately trying to lift the hopes of the ship that was already long since sunk.

 

[Zee]

oh, is it time for the "LOL REMEMBER WHEN THE SAME FIVES CLERITHS WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT DID THIS FIVE/SIX/SEVEN/EIGHT YEARS AGO"?

 

[Splintered]

oh, is it time for the "LOL REMEMBER WHEN THE SAME FIVES CLERITHS WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT DID THIS FIVE/SIX/SEVEN/EIGHT YEARS AGO"?

DON'T GIVE ME THAT LOOK LUCILE. I CAN'T TAKE THE JUDGING.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

I don't know about being right all the time, but I only recall one "side" making a fake interview in a fake restaurant to change the meaning of a well-defined word. Or writing essays about Tifa's smile at Cloud really being a hopeless frown distorted by lens flare. Or loads of other contrived crap.

It was never about who loves who, it was about making fun of a ridiculous propaganda machine constituting the greatest unintentional comedy since Mike Tyson retired. I guess that makes some of us assholes for pointing it out. Oh well. Life is cruel, buy a helmet.

Basically here to bold and say: took the words outta mah keyboard, although i guess this is better because I'd have replied with somethink akin to "CRY MOAR!"

oh, is it time for the "LOL REMEMBER WHEN THE SAME FIVES CLERITHS WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT DID THIS FIVE/SIX/SEVEN/EIGHT YEARS AGO"?

No, but evidently it is time for "LOL LET'S PRETEND THIS IS ALL IRRELEVANT AND NO ONE CURR AND MAYBE PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE WE ARE NOT BUTTHURT BY EVIDENCE OF OUR IDIOCY"

 

[Ryushikaze]

oh, is it time for the "LOL REMEMBER WHEN THE SAME FIVES CLERITHS WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT DID THIS FIVE/SIX/SEVEN/EIGHT YEARS AGO"?

Remember how they're still doing the same thing to this day? You DID read that this whole tangent was sparked by someone using the PinkBlob Aerith picture as evidence in a discussion Tifabelle was having, yes?

Like I said, what they did 5 or more years ago might not seem like a big deal, until you realize it's part of a pattern of behavior extending back more than five years, and one that still continues.

You can react with rage, and strawman, and sarcasm, and animated gifs all you like, but shutting the rabids up would be far more effective. It might take effort, but it would be effective.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

You can react with rage, and strawman, and sarcasm, and animated gifs all you like, but shutting the rabids up would be far more effective. It might take effort, but it would be effective.

let's go shut up people who will act the same no matter what

and mock them

i am sorry sir but idgi

 

[Ryushikaze]

let's go shut up people who will act the same no matter what

and mock them

i am sorry sir but idgi

Some resistance against the sheer bollocks stupid has to be made. A pie in the sky dream would be getting the people supplying it to shut up. I don't expect it to be easy, but it would be effective if it could be done. Yelling at the people here about a strawman scenario isn't effective in the slightest.

 

[Fighter]

I don't know about being right all the time, but I only recall one "side" making a fake interview in a fake restaurant to change the meaning of a well-defined word.

And then pretend like none of it happened when the word appeared in CoL.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Ya know I've been waiting for a while to use this one, never saw a chance. So just gonna throw it out there.

Spoiler

BTW, for those keeping score at home - http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq156/DrakeClawfang/Collage.png?t=1288141638

 

[Ryushikaze]

On a non LTD related front of making sure to keep the old stupid from once again becoming the new stupid, people elsewhere are unsure as to whether Cloud was real or made 5 years before FF7, and some people are taking Hojo as a source more authoritative than Cloud's own subconscious.

 

[Dashell]

No, but evidently it is time for "LOL LET'S PRETEND THIS IS ALL IRRELEVANT AND NO ONE CURR AND MAYBE PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE WE ARE NOT BUTTHURT BY EVIDENCE OF OUR IDIOCY"

By saying that you make it seem like Zee believed that. She knew it was crap and even mentioned it on CxA before.

The thing about the koi___bito interview that annoys Zee and Winter and others is, it wasn't like they all got together, sat around a table and said, "Okay we're fucked, so maybe if we all lie, they'll shut up."

It was one little liar/troll who told them, "You know me and my friends don't use the word that way." and they believed it, and honestly, why WOULDN'T they?

Can you honestly tell me that if CoLW came out first and they were all happy and Hito or Tres or someone we knew really well said, "You know guys, I've been to Japan and they don't use the word to mean lover." You wouldn't listen? So yah, blaming all of that koi___bito nonsense on ALL of the Cleriths is pretty stupid. One Clerith started that, blame her. In fact other real Japanesish Cleriths that signed up later on said the interview was crap so it's not like the entire Clerith community believes that one.

On a non LTD related front of making sure to keep the old stupid from once again becoming the new stupid, people elsewhere are unsure as to whether Cloud was real or made 5 years before FF7, and CALI IS taking Hojo as a source more authoritative than Cloud's own subconscious.

Fixed, she's not more than one person

 

[OneWingedDemon]

So yah, blaming all of that koi___bito nonsense on ALL of the Cleriths is pretty stupid.

bb I've been active for a looong ass time and I can tell you that argument was used by almost everyone. They all clung to it like a fucking lifeline. It was the universal response. People whose response wasn't koi_bito were in the minority. And that's me being generous. I don't recall a single different answer. Either they would ignore it, or say it was a mistranslation. Period.

Sell it to someone who had no clue what was going on cause this one ain't buying.
This 'it wasn't us' shit is irritating.

 

[Fighter]

It was one little liar/troll who told them, "You know me and my friends don't use the word that way." and they believed it, and honestly, why WOULDN'T they?

Que... You really think it wasn't painfully obvious the Wcdonald's interview was fake?

Can you honestly tell me that if CoLW came out first and they were all happy and Hito or Tres or someone we knew really well said, "You know guys, I've been to Japan and they don't use the word to mean lover." You wouldn't listen?

No, no they wouldn't listen and didn't listen to the translations they didn't like if they could.

BTW. They did once know Hito and trust him. Until he translated something they didn't want to hear. Guess what that was.

PS. Yes I'm generalizing and am aware that not everyone there is the same.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Que... You really think it wasn't painfully obvious the Wcdonald's interview was fake.

It's not even a matter of belief. They had countless people outside their circle tell them they're wrong. This is the internet. Pretty easy to verify. I don't deny there were people who did not believe that shit. I like to think not everyone is dumb as bricks, but no one called any of the ones who advocated it. They were silent (because it was convenient).

The ones involved in debates pretty much copy+pasted that. And it was nearly all of them. If it was't outright copy/pasting it was some variation of it, like "SE would not come out and say it blatantly in RF therfore it MUST be a mistranslation, OH BTW HERE IS THE ACTUAL MEANING". This isn't an exaggeration.
Deal with it.

 

[null]

It was one little liar/troll who told them, "You know me and my friends don't use the word that way." and they believed it, and honestly, why WOULDN'T they?

So now she's a liar and a troll mastermind who orchestrated the whole plot, huh. My how times have changed.

 

[Fighter]

LMAO!