The Final Fantasy VII LTD Thread (Round 4)

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Splintered

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@Splintered: It's heavy, but I actually like the fact that back bumps out for your hands better than the new ones. And that the back isn't the same glossy stuff. And you can PM me about modding if you like.

But I would like to say for the record that I have not used said mod to steal PSP games. I use it for emulators so I can play other systems on my PSP :P
No, some things are just not meant to be.

Like FFX. I must have started that games who knows how many times but I never actually beat it. That's because in the course of playing it, I lost about three memory cards. Once I figured this game was cursed by some underhanded evil force, I stopped playing the fucking things. And never lost a memory card again.

Hrn.
 

Makoeyes987

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We can't apply entirely real standards, just superficially believable ones. Otherwise every hero in every game would be a smoldering psychological wreck from being in combat so often.

Dude, most heroes, are. Unless they're superheroes. And even then, they still turn out fucked up.

I'm not seeing any reason at all to dismiss common sense regarding Aerith, her grief, and her feelings for Zack.

Sure she loves Cloud, but that sure as shit doesn't mean she's moved on from Zack or still doesn't love him. At most she loves both equally. At least, she still loves Zack more, and is trying to take the first steps of moving on with a living guy.
 

ForceStealer

Double Growth
@Celes I'm not offended by it. But I ALSO wouldn't be offended if she were virgin, as winter apparently would be :)

To be honest, I never took time to consider her innocence. But I imagine I assumed her to be a virgin simply because I didn't see when she would have had the chance. But that doesn't mean I think she's too pure for the thought.
I'm sure she fapped to Zack all the time :awesomonster:

Damn this topic moves fast.
 
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Splintered

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But Aerith was moving on with her life in general, as a girl in the slums. She left her hom and her mother to go with new friends and discover her identity. I think going with this general theme, she was moving on with her romance with Zack.

Doesn't mean she hates her mom, or forgets about Zack. It just means she's not going to let the past dictate her life.
 

Makoeyes987

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But Aerith was moving on with her life in general, as a girl in the slums. She left her hom and her mother to go with new friends and discover her identity. I think going with this general theme, she was moving on with her romance with Zack.

Don't make it sound like she's moving out to start her own business or something. She got roped into a quest to save the world. XD

That is an entirely different animal than her "moving on with her life" as if it were some normal developmental stage on the path to adult hood. Was she thinking about moving from Midgar before she ran into Cloud?

If you got a bunch of angry soldiers, robots, mutants, and a nutjob who's threatening the planet on your tail, you bet your ass you move out and get on the run.

Doesn't mean she hates her mom, or forgets about Zack. It just means she's not going to let the past dictate her life.

Well her own personal interest was to discover her past so, I'm not seeing how this is "letting go" here.
 

Splintered

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She didn't seem to be bothered by it anyway. The fact is Aerith wanted to go out in the world. She was leaving the place she lived for all her life, from the only people she knows and loves, and what she really cared about was going on the highwind.

A lot of it was forced on her, but given the choice she probably would have done it anyway. Aerith was letting go of her past since the first parts of the game. This included her waiting for Zack.
 

Ryushikaze

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Tim, Ryu
fuck the ultimania, never has aeris ever struck me as a virgin.

Zack was bottom.

It surprised me too, but what you gonna do?
Besides Pegging Zack.

We can't apply entirely real standards, just superficially believable ones. Otherwise every hero in every game would be a smoldering psychological wreck from being in combat so often.

It's not a 1 for 1, but we do need at least recognizable patterns.

@Celes I'm not offended by it. But I ALSO wouldn't be offended if she were virgin, as winter apparently would be :)

To be honest, I never took time to consider her innocence. But I imagine I assumed her to be a virgin simply because I didn't see when she would have had the chance. But that doesn't mean I think she's too pure for the thought.
I'm sure she fapped to Zack all the time :awesomonster:

Damn this topic moves fast.

Like I said, Oral doesn't count.
Apparently, Pegging doesn't either, according to Zee.
 

Winter

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@Celes I'm not offended by it. But I ALSO wouldn't be offended if she were virgin, as winter apparently would be :)

To be honest, I never took time to consider her innocence. But I imagine I assumed her to be a virgin simply because I didn't see when she would have had the chance. But that doesn't mean I think she's too pure for the thought.
I'm sure she fapped to Zack all the time :awesomonster:

Damn this topic moves fast.
HEY NOW

I LOVE HER EITHER WAY

and I am still not sure if the Ultimania meant she was a virgin or if it meant she was just not that close to him.... let me call upon hito lolz
 

Makoeyes987

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She didn't seem to be bothered by it anyway. The fact is Aerith wanted to go out in the world. She was leaving the place she lived for all her life, from the only people she knows and loves, and what she really cared about was going on the highwind.

The first time she tried doing it on her own in BC, she couldn't.

Her being caught in a whirlwind to save the world is the only time she was able to. That just speaks for itself.

A lot of it was forced on her, but given the choice she probably would have done it anyway. Aerith was letting go of her past since the first parts of the game. This included her waiting for Zack.

How do you know that for sure? We're given no indication she was trying to leave or anything. She was happy living with her mom and selling flowers. There's no indication she was getting ready to go or "move on" from anything there. By her own words, she loved living in the slums.
 

Ryushikaze

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Tim, Ryu
If it's the 'Platonic love' quote, it's the english word 'Platonic' and the Japanese word for 'Passionate Love'

A chaste romance is the least head explode-y way to read that.
 

Tifabelle

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There's no indication she was getting ready to go or "move on" from anything there. By her own words, she loved living in the slums.

Yeah but she followed Cloud, then wanted to go after Tifa. So she does show some signs of wanting to get involved. But she did get swept up in it when she tried to protect Marlene. Then she was involved I think because she wanted to learn more about Ancients and the Promised Land.


And, holy crap, guys. I go on my break and I missed so much XD Also, I'm too lazy to go back and read everything, lol.
 

Winter

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I was always under the impression that Aerith lead a... god I'm so fucking overtired I can't even think of the word for it. A fragile life? I mean, she was content in the slums, but she knew damn well the day would come when she'd have to run for her life, and based on how readily she went with Cloud I would imagine she'd been ready for that day for a long time.
 

Makoeyes987

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Tifabelle said:
Yeah but she followed Cloud, then wanted to go after Tifa. So she does show some signs of wanting to get involved. But she did get swept up in it when she tried to protect Marlene. Then she was involved I think because she wanted to learn more about Ancients and the Promised Land.

Well, Aerith is a good person. Of course she'd get involved once the adventure fell in her lap. But I'm talking about if things had continued on as they were, with her living peacefully with the only intrusion being the occasional visit from Tseng begging her to help Shinra find the Promised Land.

winter said:
I mean, she was content in the slums, but she knew damn well the day would come when she'd have to run for her life, and based on how readily she went with Cloud I would imagine she'd been ready for that day for a long time.

By her own admission, Tseng never really aggressively pursued her. It was only until the situations came to a head in FFVII that Shinra finally decided to stop playing nice and forcefully go after her.

Rin Tohsaka said:
Perhaps... sheltered? Because that is true, she did.

Sheltered? Really?

She ventured out onto the top of the plate all by herself for most of the day, to sell flowers. All alone in the crime infested cesspool that is Midgar.

She had to go from her house to the train station, which meant passing through the monster infested, mako irradiated, and uninhabited parts of the slums.

I don't think you can really call her sheltered. She's not at all unintroduced to the harshness of life.
 
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Splintered

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And, holy crap, guys. I go on my break and I missed so much XD Also, I'm too lazy to go back and read everything, lol.
LTD is an odd beast.

Sometimes it's only slight active, then it gets a huge burst of activity and it usually ends with serious OTness and insanity. Then it just dies. For weeks.

If we get too popular we'll know. Mog will usually set up the "we need better discussions" signal.
 

Winter

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Perhaps... sheltered? Because that is true, she did.
Nah, I wouldn't say she lead a sheltered life. She had a nice house, and she was a very lonely person (as friendly as she was she wasn't particularly close to anyone), but she grew up in the inner city. And hell, she lived in a laboratory. I would imagine Aerith understood (better, probably, than Cloud and Tifa did when they were younger) the harsh realities of the world.

I mean of course, before Tifa and Cloud lost their parents and shit.
 

Winter

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Which brings us to our next topic: WHO IS CLOUD'S FATHER?
ngl I have always wondered this.

who was he? and was mama strife really a giant ho? THE WORLD MAY NEVER KNOW

also, what's up with Gast getting written out of the Compilation

Genesis is Cloud's father.

WHAT A TWEEST!
AHAHAHA omg fuck you that should not have made me laugh so hard
 

Celes Chere

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Noctis
W-well that's not what I meant at all, I didn't mean sheltered in her home, I meant in her life. And I never said that life wasn't harsh. xD It is her comfort zone, even if it is a pile of crap. Even Aerith says she sees the beauty in it, even if it is not the best place to live. Zack and other people of Midgar have traveled to other places for instance, while Aerith has not. She's been in that place her whole life. (almost xP)
 

Tifabelle

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ngl I have always wondered this.

who was he? and was mama strife really a giant ho? THE WORLD MAY NEVER KNOW

also, what's up with Gast getting written out of the Compilation

OMG, Gast is his father! :no:
 

Winter

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OMG, Gast is his father! :no:
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Ryushikaze

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Tim, Ryu
Ceodore Harvey is Cloud's Father. See, he and Kain fell into the Void and Out into the world of FF7. Kain went and sired Cid, and Ceodore knocked boots with the Mother Strife.

Then Gilgamesh came and ruined Everything. Gast, BTW, is Galuf. Yeah, surprised me, too. He still isn't sure how that happened.

Oh, and he's not dead, either. He became Gau after Hojo shot him.
 

OneWingedDemon

NOT AMUSED
No no. Jesus!Aeris cannot have weaknesses like not dealing with shit because it’s too painful for her. Absolutely not. Out of character. She is brave and upfront and never scared and always tells the fucking truth (unless she’s evading Shinra with her awesome lying skills).

I never understood the vehement disagreement of fellow Cloud/Tifa fans that Aerith never really loved Cloud.
Aeris’ feelings for Cloud are suspect. She talks about Zack and his similarities to Cloud all the time in the OG. She refuses to acknowledge that Zack is dead, instead she says he must have run off with some girl. How does she know? She doesn’t. It’s the least painful choice for her. She is visibly distressed and runs out of Zack’s house in Gongaga. She wears pink for him. She writes him nearly 100 letters over 4 years with no reply. Then Cloud crashes through her roof the same way. She uses Zack’s lines on him. Etc. Etc.

And this is without SE outright stating that her behaviour towards Cloud is influenced by her feelings for Zack.

No one said Aeris is psycho and sees a black-haired dude in front of her where Cloud stands. Ok? I do not deny that by the date she wants to get to know the real Cloud. But that’s it: she wants to GET TO KNOW HIM because she doesn’t. Why else would she say “I want to meet YOU Cloud” if she already knows Cloud?

considering it's already canon that she loves Cloud
No. Unreliable characters talking at a point where they don’t have all the pieces or are in denial exist. That’s Aeris.

Does she have to be over him to have feelings for someone else that aren't just projection?
But they are. If she developed feelings for Cloud without the constant mentions of her ex then fine. I don’t care. She can love him all she wants. But both Aeris and SE link those feelings back to Zack. Maybe, just maybe, there’s something there. Maybe it’s not just meaningless babble.

lol CC has shit writing
It seems to me you’re excusing anything that may not agree with your opinion as shitty writing. Maybe, just maybe, you’re wrong. And I don’t see particularly bad writing in CC, even if it is quite cheesy at times.

The fact is, Aerith is carrying something for Zack. Her behavior and actions make that undeniable. You don't go carrying on your dead boyfriend's last wishes and hopes as if he were still alive, and refuse to say anything about his death, even to his own parents.
That's pointing to something. Something very emotionally powerful.
NONSENSE. SE GAVE US ALL THAT INFO BECAUSE IT’S JUST SHITTY WRITING AND THEY HAD NOTHING ELSE TO INSERT. It has no bearing!!!

I honestly just want to know why the unnecessary bullshit like, “wear pink for me” was even added then. What’s the point? From a cinematic/writing perspective, what the fuck is the point? If SE want us to know Aeris loved Cloud then why introduce all this shit? I have yet to receive an answer. Ever. In the history of asking.

Does she need an immediate wardrobe change to break with the past?
Saying she realizes what she’s done and wants to MOVE AWAY from that is not her moving on. She expresses a desire to know Cloud without constantly bringing him back to her feelings for Zack. She never does. She dies right after. Desire=/=accomplishment. And saying she sees Cloud is fucked and that she’s been superimposing him and her ex together does in no way mean she is over said ex. Only that she’s been going about shit the wrong way and now wants to love Cloud for Cloud.

What would you say if I complained about the physics of Cloud and Sephiroth flying 800 feet in the air chopping up skyscrapers?
Arcs and development of character do no cease to exist simply because I decide to situate my characters in a world where Clark Kent can hide using only his glasses or Sephiroth may jump 800 feet in the air.


JESUS CHRIST QUIT WRITING EVERY MINUTE. I CAN’T KEEP UP.
 
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