looneymoon
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Preaching to the choir. The entire Compilation is notoriously unsubtle.
but the idea itself isn't really a bad one, imo.
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Preaching to the choir. The entire Compilation is notoriously unsubtle.
but the idea itself isn't really a bad one, imo.
Splintered
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I honestly liked Crisis Core, but the problem is that they tried to introduce an epic plot. You would think that wouldn't be bad, but Crisis Core shined when it was a personal journey.
Genesis was a horrible disaster, but the times when Zack was truly doubting Shinra, or being absolutely crushed because of Angeal's death were the memorable scenes.
It's why hearing that it was so disappointing to hear that his road to Midgar was cut out. Because Genesis plot took up so much and gave so little, but Zack's relationships with all the characters (Tseng/Aerith/Angeal/Sephiroth) was so much more rewarding.
Z/A didn't get more time then, let's say, Zack and Angeal's mentor/father-son relationship. Or upstage Zack's increasingly estranged ideals of Shinra. If they really wanted to make the whole thing a romance plot ala FFVIII, they could have done it. But they didn't.
Genesis was a horrible disaster, but the times when Zack was truly doubting Shinra, or being absolutely crushed because of Angeal's death were the memorable scenes.
It's why hearing that it was so disappointing to hear that his road to Midgar was cut out. Because Genesis plot took up so much and gave so little, but Zack's relationships with all the characters (Tseng/Aerith/Angeal/Sephiroth) was so much more rewarding.
There was romance but it wasn't a strict love story. It was as important to Zack, as lets say, it was to FFIX. Was important especially since it was romance that helped develop the characters, but it wasn't the only thing.
Z/A didn't get more time then, let's say, Zack and Angeal's mentor/father-son relationship. Or upstage Zack's increasingly estranged ideals of Shinra. If they really wanted to make the whole thing a romance plot ala FFVIII, they could have done it. But they didn't.
DrakeClawfang
The Wanderer of Time
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Readyyyyyyyy GO!
Lightning, Tifa and Aerith. Makes sense since Lightning is a female Cloud right?
Readyyyyyyyy GO!
Strangelove
AI Researcher
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It was reissued in 1997 (November), eight months after the original release, to cover the additions in FFVII International.
The original book is a blue cover with Cloud:
http://www.bent.co.jp/main/works/ks01/naiyo_fr.htm
The revised edition is a green cover with Aerith:
http://www.bent.co.jp/main/works/ks03/naiyo_fr.htm
oh god
Ishimoto could totally have me if he wanted.
Shadowfox
You look like you need a monkey
And I'm sorry that I just don't get the logic of Square going, "Okay to prove Aerith isn't over Zack and that she loves Zack more than Cloud, we'll have her say she loves Cloud more"
I think the logic is in having Aerith say she loves Cloud by talking about the stuff in Cloud that reminds her of Zack.
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Uhhhhhhh, no, not OK? If you think Aerith is living out her romance for her dead boyfriend - who she fully understands is dead - through another man, you're saying she's a few ice cubes short of an igloo. Let's not mince words.
Tifa was in love with fake Cloud too and didn't really know him beforehand either. Love is blind, cookies crumbles, so on and so forth, etc.
So we can disregard pretty much everything Cloud has ever said. Dude is a basketcase who lost several years of his life in a vat along with being brainfucked by a demigod. Still has deep seated emotional issues years after the episode. That's Cloud. Way to open that can of worms.
Maybe it's not just meaningless babble when they decided to reinforce her feelings for Cloud in one of the most recent compilation entries. "Hey guys, we're writing a story for Aerith parallel to the main plot. Make sure we reinforce her having an insane post-mortem coping mechanism to deal with the loss of her old boyfriend. That way everyone understands to disregard what we wrote her to say about moving on earlier. Aerith being in denial is crucial to the plot of CoLW and to FF7."
Cloud realizing he wants to have a new life with Tifa forever is not Cloud actually wanting to have - or having - a new life with Tifa forever.
Ok. Cloud saying he understands he's fucked and now he's ready to move on with Tifa does in no way mean he is unfucked and ready to move on with Tifa. Only that he's ready to try, but that hasn't happened successfully yet in the compilation.
Worms, cans. Apply your standard to everything Cloud says and we can't say anything for sure about what the man wants.
Why, because you say so? It's fantasy. The author can have whatever dumb shit he/she decides to happen, happen. Explain to me why I should suspend disbelief for magic, talking dogs, and Godzilla-like creatures roaming the earth, but not a character suddenly moving on from her dead boyfriend.
That's the one about the aliens right?
Also Tifa's profile says she believes in Cloud and he's her hero
no ZACK is
Thanks Quex
Splintered
unsavory tart
Jenova is Cloud's true love?That's the one about the aliens right?
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unf, those purple nipples
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Madame Mayor
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lol Maiden, even though really it does prove she's not over Zack cause all things she loves about Cloud = Zack.
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Vendel
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Aye aye Captain!Here we have it from all the way back in 2004.
Now you might be saying "But Pennywise that was 6 years and 3 days ago. Clearly it's not a belief they would still hold to".
But here they are clearly talking about the 10th Av Ult. Interviews and trying to incorporate that into the theory of 3 HW scenes.
So from late 2007 up until they changed their forum layout. Take note of the "Sex doesn't mean romance" idea that has popped up. Whereas before it was "confirming feelings of friendship" in the HA version. Now it's "meaningless sex".
The idea of 3HW scenes has also shown up on the front page comments.
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Tifabelle
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Well I don't know about you guys, but I only have sex with people I hate.
So pretty much everyone.
Dashell
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Who said I was talking about Maiden?
Also on that old geocities page:
Last Night Under the Highwind
The Last Night Under the Highwind scene is governed by Tifa’s affection level with Cloud as determined by the Date Mechanism. There are variations in the script of this scene depending on the value of Tifa's affection with Cloud. When Tifa's affection rating with him is low, Cloud shows no hint of affection whatsoever toward Tifa during this scene. The script of the low affection version of this scene is shown below, with changes to the standard script highlighted in yellow. It should be noted that the Date Mechanism allows the player to completely eliminate all of Cloud's affection for Tifa, while it is not possible to do so with Aerith.
Scene 136
~ Understanding ~
(The scene fades in to show Cloud and Tifa alone on the bridge. Tifa is still watching the clouds go by.)
Cloud "What are you going to do, Tifa?"
(She turns to him)
Tifa "Did you forget?"
"I'm... all alone. I don't have anywhere to go."
(The scene fades out. Cloud and Tifa are then shown on a grassy hill. Tifa stands close to the camera, looking past the player. Cloud is behind her, staring in another direction. The Highwind hovers above. The only sound is that of the wind.)
Tifa "Everyone's gone..."
Cloud "Yeah, we don't have anywhere or anyone to go home to."
(She looks down.)
Tifa "You're right..."
(A pause. She looks up and straightens her hair with one hand.)
Tifa "But... I'm sure someday... they'll come back, don't you think?"
(He crosses his arms)
Cloud "Hmm... I wonder...?"
"Everyone has an irreplaceable something they're holding on to..."
"But this time, our opponent..."
(A long pause. The sound of the wind fades. Tifa nods)
Tifa "Hmm... But that's all right, even if no one comes back."
"As long as we’re together. With you by my side, I’ll never give up no matter how bad it gets.”
(He uncrosses his arms and looks at Tifa.)
Cloud "...... Tifa......"
(She moves her arms behind her.)
Tifa "No matter how close we are now... We were far apart before."
"But when we were in the Lifestream surrounded by all those screams of anguish, I thought I
heard your voice..."
(She closes her eyes, crying softly. Her arms fall to her sides and she bows her head.)
Tifa "...sniff... you probably don't remember this..."
"But deep in my heart I heard you calling my name... Or at least I thought I did..."
(Cloud looks away into the distance.)
Cloud “I see.”
“I think I’ve heard it, too.”
“Then, it was Tifa’s voice.”
(Tifa opens her eyes and looks up.)
Tifa "Cloud...? Do you think the stars can hear us?"
(She gazes off to one side.)
Tifa "Do you think they see how hard we're fighting for them?"
(Cloud looks up at the sky.)
Cloud "I dunno... But..."
"Whether they can or not, we still have to do what we can. And believe in ourselves..."
“I’ll find the answer some day, as long as I keep trying.”
(Tifa nods.)
Tifa “Yes, that’s right.”
(Cloud stares off into the distance.)
Cloud “We’ve got a big battle tomorrow. We’d better get some sleep.”
Tifa “Umm. I guess you’re right.”
(Tifa closes her eyes and shakes her head.)
Scene 137
~ Last Morning ~
(The scene fades in once more to the grassy hill. It is still mostly dark out, but the hint of a sun is glowing beyond the horizon. Cloud and Tifa are seated on a small rise in the ground. Tifa is resting her head on his shoulder; both are dozing. Cloud lifts his head slightly.)
Cloud "…It's almost dawn..."
Tifa "H, huh...?"
(He lifts his head further.)
Cloud “Morning, Tifa. It’s almost dawn.”
(She lifts her head off his shoulder and looks around sleepily.)
Tifa “Mmm… Good morning, Cloud.”
Tifa “Just a little longer… a little bit longer.”
Tifa "This day will never come again... So let me have this moment..."
(She rests his head on his shoulder again.)
Cloud “......”
(The scene fades to black.)
Scene 138
~ We Shall Fight Together ~
(The scene fades in to show the Highwind hovering in the bright morning sky. The camera pans back down to the hill. Cloud is still sitting down; Tifa has risen and is gazing up at the Highwind, her hands behind her back. After a few moments, she drops her hands and shakes her head.)
Tifa "......"
(Cloud stands.)
Cloud "We'd better go."
(She turns to him and makes a pleading gesture.)
Tifa "But, I still...!?"
(He turns to face her, shaking his head.)
Cloud "It's all right, Tifa. You said so yourself yesterday."
"At least we don't have to go on alone."
(A pause. Tifa nods)
Tifa "Yes... That's right!"
(He nods)
Cloud "Okay! Let's go!"
(They walk together toward the Highwind. It begins to lower to the ground as the scene fades. It fades back in to show the walkway to the bridge. Tifa is following Cloud there.)
Tifa "This airship is too big for just the two of us."
"Yeah, it's a little lonely without everyone."
(Cloud turns around to face her.)
Cloud "Don't worry. It'll be okay."
(He does his squat-thrusts.)
Cloud "I'll make a big enough ruckus for everyone."
(He stops and straightens his hair.)
Cloud "Besides, I'm the pilot."
"No more flying around casually like before."
"We won't have time to feel lonely."
(She nods. A long pause. Suddenly, the entire Highwind shakes as the engines fire up.)
Tifa "Huh!?"
(She looks around.)
Cloud "It's moving......"
(They dash to the bridge. They find Cait Sith dozing in one corner. They run past him and find Barret and Cid working with the pilot's controls.)
Cloud "Barret! Cid!"
(Barret turns and looks at Cloud, then at Tifa, then back to Cloud)
Barret "O, oh...... is that okay with you?"
(Red XIII runs up to them from offscreen.)
Cloud "Red XIII!"
(Cloud and Tifa look back to Barret.)
Tifa "Why didn't you tell me!?"
(Red XIII looks at Cid, who still is operating the controls.)
Red XIII "But, you know, Cid."
(He looks at Cloud. Cid leaves the controls and stares at Red XIII.)
Cid "Hey, Red XIII."
"If you butt in now, you never know what they'll say later......"
Tifa "......Were you listening?
(They watch her as she walks over to the front of the plane and looks out the window, tapping her foot.)
*Note: Those portions of the script in white were obtained from The Final Fantasy VII Script at RPGamer
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~ The Love Triangle of Final Fantasy VII is discussed further at Destiny Fulfilled: Cloud and Aerith's Love
The Last Night Under the Highwind scene is governed by Tifa’s affection level with Cloud as determined by the Date Mechanism. There are variations in the script of this scene depending on the value of Tifa's affection with Cloud. When Tifa's affection rating with him is low, Cloud shows no hint of affection whatsoever toward Tifa during this scene. The script of the low affection version of this scene is shown below, with changes to the standard script highlighted in yellow. It should be noted that the Date Mechanism allows the player to completely eliminate all of Cloud's affection for Tifa, while it is not possible to do so with Aerith.
Scene 136
~ Understanding ~
(The scene fades in to show Cloud and Tifa alone on the bridge. Tifa is still watching the clouds go by.)
Cloud "What are you going to do, Tifa?"
(She turns to him)
Tifa "Did you forget?"
"I'm... all alone. I don't have anywhere to go."
(The scene fades out. Cloud and Tifa are then shown on a grassy hill. Tifa stands close to the camera, looking past the player. Cloud is behind her, staring in another direction. The Highwind hovers above. The only sound is that of the wind.)
Tifa "Everyone's gone..."
Cloud "Yeah, we don't have anywhere or anyone to go home to."
(She looks down.)
Tifa "You're right..."
(A pause. She looks up and straightens her hair with one hand.)
Tifa "But... I'm sure someday... they'll come back, don't you think?"
(He crosses his arms)
Cloud "Hmm... I wonder...?"
"Everyone has an irreplaceable something they're holding on to..."
"But this time, our opponent..."
(A long pause. The sound of the wind fades. Tifa nods)
Tifa "Hmm... But that's all right, even if no one comes back."
"As long as we’re together. With you by my side, I’ll never give up no matter how bad it gets.”
(He uncrosses his arms and looks at Tifa.)
Cloud "...... Tifa......"
(She moves her arms behind her.)
Tifa "No matter how close we are now... We were far apart before."
"But when we were in the Lifestream surrounded by all those screams of anguish, I thought I
heard your voice..."
(She closes her eyes, crying softly. Her arms fall to her sides and she bows her head.)
Tifa "...sniff... you probably don't remember this..."
"But deep in my heart I heard you calling my name... Or at least I thought I did..."
(Cloud looks away into the distance.)
Cloud “I see.”
“I think I’ve heard it, too.”
“Then, it was Tifa’s voice.”
(Tifa opens her eyes and looks up.)
Tifa "Cloud...? Do you think the stars can hear us?"
(She gazes off to one side.)
Tifa "Do you think they see how hard we're fighting for them?"
(Cloud looks up at the sky.)
Cloud "I dunno... But..."
"Whether they can or not, we still have to do what we can. And believe in ourselves..."
“I’ll find the answer some day, as long as I keep trying.”
(Tifa nods.)
Tifa “Yes, that’s right.”
(Cloud stares off into the distance.)
Cloud “We’ve got a big battle tomorrow. We’d better get some sleep.”
Tifa “Umm. I guess you’re right.”
(Tifa closes her eyes and shakes her head.)
Scene 137
~ Last Morning ~
(The scene fades in once more to the grassy hill. It is still mostly dark out, but the hint of a sun is glowing beyond the horizon. Cloud and Tifa are seated on a small rise in the ground. Tifa is resting her head on his shoulder; both are dozing. Cloud lifts his head slightly.)
Cloud "…It's almost dawn..."
Tifa "H, huh...?"
(He lifts his head further.)
Cloud “Morning, Tifa. It’s almost dawn.”
(She lifts her head off his shoulder and looks around sleepily.)
Tifa “Mmm… Good morning, Cloud.”
Tifa “Just a little longer… a little bit longer.”
Tifa "This day will never come again... So let me have this moment..."
(She rests his head on his shoulder again.)
Cloud “......”
(The scene fades to black.)
Scene 138
~ We Shall Fight Together ~
(The scene fades in to show the Highwind hovering in the bright morning sky. The camera pans back down to the hill. Cloud is still sitting down; Tifa has risen and is gazing up at the Highwind, her hands behind her back. After a few moments, she drops her hands and shakes her head.)
Tifa "......"
(Cloud stands.)
Cloud "We'd better go."
(She turns to him and makes a pleading gesture.)
Tifa "But, I still...!?"
(He turns to face her, shaking his head.)
Cloud "It's all right, Tifa. You said so yourself yesterday."
"At least we don't have to go on alone."
(A pause. Tifa nods)
Tifa "Yes... That's right!"
(He nods)
Cloud "Okay! Let's go!"
(They walk together toward the Highwind. It begins to lower to the ground as the scene fades. It fades back in to show the walkway to the bridge. Tifa is following Cloud there.)
Tifa "This airship is too big for just the two of us."
"Yeah, it's a little lonely without everyone."
(Cloud turns around to face her.)
Cloud "Don't worry. It'll be okay."
(He does his squat-thrusts.)
Cloud "I'll make a big enough ruckus for everyone."
(He stops and straightens his hair.)
Cloud "Besides, I'm the pilot."
"No more flying around casually like before."
"We won't have time to feel lonely."
(She nods. A long pause. Suddenly, the entire Highwind shakes as the engines fire up.)
Tifa "Huh!?"
(She looks around.)
Cloud "It's moving......"
(They dash to the bridge. They find Cait Sith dozing in one corner. They run past him and find Barret and Cid working with the pilot's controls.)
Cloud "Barret! Cid!"
(Barret turns and looks at Cloud, then at Tifa, then back to Cloud)
Barret "O, oh...... is that okay with you?"
(Red XIII runs up to them from offscreen.)
Cloud "Red XIII!"
(Cloud and Tifa look back to Barret.)
Tifa "Why didn't you tell me!?"
(Red XIII looks at Cid, who still is operating the controls.)
Red XIII "But, you know, Cid."
(He looks at Cloud. Cid leaves the controls and stares at Red XIII.)
Cid "Hey, Red XIII."
"If you butt in now, you never know what they'll say later......"
Tifa "......Were you listening?
(They watch her as she walks over to the front of the plane and looks out the window, tapping her foot.)
*Note: Those portions of the script in white were obtained from The Final Fantasy VII Script at RPGamer
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Madame Mayor
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Then where does SE say Aerith loves Cloud more?
Madame Mayor
Banned
What's the quote say in Dismantled?
Again lol Maiden.
COLW tells us that Cloud was many things to her, including someone she had romantic feelings for. Nothing about loving Cloud more than Zack.
Again lol Maiden.
COLW tells us that Cloud was many things to her, including someone she had romantic feelings for. Nothing about loving Cloud more than Zack.
Dashell
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Ignore that I said more okay?
As for the quote in Dismantled, I posted it a few pages back. Here it is again.
This entry in Dismantled is one of Aerith's monologues:
Now let me rephrase my earlier statement as I don';t want to go down the who Aerith loves more road again.
"I just don't get the logic that square says, 'Hey I know what will prove that Aerith loves Zack, we'll make her say she loves Cloud!'"
How's that?
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BTW this:
私、今はきっ と、ザックスよりもずっとクラウドのことが好きになってる。
Is the "I, now definitely, love Cloud more than Zack." and that came from Ryu, not me.
As for the quote in Dismantled, I posted it a few pages back. Here it is again.
This entry in Dismantled is one of Aerith's monologues:
One thing it says that she and Zack weren't intimate... I think. It also says that she, now definitely, loves Cloud more than Zack and she knows Cloud is Cloud. I believe it also calls Zack "childish" And yes it does say she cried when Zack left which made her mother hate Soldiers.
Now let me rephrase my earlier statement as I don';t want to go down the who Aerith loves more road again.
"I just don't get the logic that square says, 'Hey I know what will prove that Aerith loves Zack, we'll make her say she loves Cloud!'"
How's that?
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BTW this:
私、今はきっ と、ザックスよりもずっとクラウドのことが好きになってる。
Is the "I, now definitely, love Cloud more than Zack." and that came from Ryu, not me.
Madame Mayor
Banned
Took a quick look back and it looks like everyone already responded to this the way I would.
Why would her loving Cloud have anything to do with her loving Zack?
Why would her loving Cloud have anything to do with her loving Zack?
Madame Mayor
Banned
You are the one implying that SE saying that Aerith loves Cloud somehow hinders them proving that Aerith loves Zack. I want to know how this occurs.
Zee
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If it's not a dick waving contest about who Cloud loves more, it's one about who Aeris loves more. tbqh I think it's a retarded fight considering:
a) you are allowed to love more than one person
b) no decent human being would weigh their affections for two people like they were deciding on what meal to order at a diner
c) retarded teenage first love that ended in a blaze of gunfire vs. cut short blossoming romance with a socially inept guy that's not all that mentally stable. let's face it, aeris is a loser in love either way.
a) you are allowed to love more than one person
b) no decent human being would weigh their affections for two people like they were deciding on what meal to order at a diner
c) retarded teenage first love that ended in a blaze of gunfire vs. cut short blossoming romance with a socially inept guy that's not all that mentally stable. let's face it, aeris is a loser in love either way.
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