The Final Fantasy VII LTD Thread (Round 4)

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mentaz

bubbles
I think the funniest part of this thread is everyone trying to tell Winter, who actually did live in a small mountain town and tried to sneak off to do her own thing, what it's like to live in a small mountain town and sneak off to do your own thing.

ok not to start shit or anything, but I've lived all my life in a small town where everyone is noisy and knows about everyone else lives, and was able to sneak off all the time into the woods.

I always got into trouble when I was a kid because no one knew where I was and I disappeared for hours. It was really hard to do it without anyone seeing me and my friends but it's possible.

Also, I'm not saying that winter is lying or something like that because, well she's the one that lived there not me, I'm just saying that sneaking off in small towns is not that hard. All you need is skill. :awesome:
 

Zee

wangxian married
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Zee
Hey, I never said it was impossible, just that it would be difficult for her to do often. Especially since she'd already nearly died wandering into the mountains once, he wouldn't exactly be winning any father of the year awards if he let her get away with that again.

Anyway, argument started only to try and guess how much Cloud and Tifa knew each other before he left, but considering there's no evidence they hung out at all aside from the well scene (both in flashbacks and in the lifestream scene), it's a pointless argument.
 

Cat Rage Room

Great Old One
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Mog
because of your big dick i assume you have the most authority out of anyone in this thread

somebody knows whats up

does aerith leik cloud's tiny peen or zack's

nah she's definitely slobbin over zacks knob. mostly because she's dead but also mostly because zack has the biggest buster sword

and cloud was never much of an ass man so that leaves tifa for him by default
 

Alessa Gillespie

a letter to my future self
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lesbians

you and your sex don't count

unlike mine

which is fabulous
YOU AND YOUR GAY SEX WITH MAKO

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Eerie

Fire and Blood
Fuck you guys. Do you know how hard it was to read everything? Why did you suddenly started to post like crazies, when this thread was nearly dead before. :(

I wanted to say something smart, but it was two days ago, and now I've lost my train of thoughts.

I think it was Q who asked if Clerith was the intended pairing, to which I have objections:
- you just don't think that the rival pairing is going to have sex at the end and confess their feelings if another pairing is intended
- you don't go 'oh this girl will die, so we need another one' out of the blue - it was obviously meant to have the hero fulfilling his wishes by the end and giving him a happy ending, albeit a bittersweet one.

I also wanted to point out that Aerith's role is not so much centered around Cloud, but she has a bigger role than that. In the other hand, Tifa seems to have been created solely for Cloud's story, to be the one who'd connect all the dots and help him. Her plot is his personal one, while Aerith is his bigger quest "let's save the planet" and all that jazz. So the two girls are connected to him in more than just being two chicks in love with him, they connect him to the story and what's happening. If you look at that angle, then even back then, CloTi was the intended pairing. The alternate ending was for those who didn't like Tifa much, probably, but it didn't mean that SE didn't have their own timeline of canon, even back then. They probably didn't expect so much shipwars over this.

As to who Aerith loved still/more/not anymore/truly, I think that she loved both Zack and Cloud. It's meaningless to take the CoLW quote without putting it in its context, because I think that she truly did love Cloud when she was alive - she wanted to have a bright future with him, she's been hurt in the past and was attracted to him. Maybe she didn't know the real Cloud, but really, it doesn't matter. For her, he represented way more than just a friend - he was also her hopes for a bright future, that she could love him and be loved back one day, that they would make it through. Thing is, she died at that point, and then Cloud remembered he loved Tifa all along - and it was with her that he made it through.

But all of this means jack. Really. It's what Cloud used to represent while she was alive. He is STILL precious, yes. But. I don't think that FFVII afterlife is made of love and flowers. Feelings get washed; even she hadn't think about him for a long time when she was reminded of him... by Sephiroth.

If Zack had been targetted, she probably would have said the same about him - how he was her beloved and precious to her. But it was Cloud who was the target, and she was reminded that. Her role goes beyond than mere love, be it with Zack or with Cloud. Both men are precious to her; but it's afterlife you're talking about. She has a role, and she will always be there if shit goes really wrong like in AC/C, but that's all there is to it. Her connection with Cloud is still important; but are there romantic feelings from her? I highly doubt it. Those feelings, I think, are a bit different, and mostly because she's dead. And it's the same with Zack, really. Even if SE pushed Zertih at the end of ACC, it was more like a symbol for the two lovers being reunited. And I think it's mostly because they pushed Zerith in their games between AC and ACC.

Which makes me go back to SE; their pairings are obviously Zerith and Cloti - I mean, the way they push the two pairings isn't even subtle anymore. Only, Zerith is tragic romance and CloTi is difficult romance that make it through. There's no easy romance with SE in the Compilation - look at all the pairings going through shit. I don't see them having Aerith saying how Cloud was her beloved contradicts what they write - it IS true. It's just more complicated than just that.
 

mentaz

bubbles
Hey, I never said it was impossible, just that it would be difficult for her to do often. Especially since she'd already nearly died wandering into the mountains once, he wouldn't exactly be winning any father of the year awards if he let her get away with that again.

lol I wasn't to referring to the ltd.

I wasn't trying to say U KNOW NOTHING CLOTAI SNEAKED OFF ALL THE TIME CAUSE I SAID THEY CAN SO THERE!!11111!!

My point was that the life of a small town can be like the people who are not from one said it was, and not necessarily like someone from a small town said it is. :monster:

but I forgot that I was posting here, so next time I'll try to post something cool and sarcastic to fap over while my e-penis grows to infinity :awesome:
 

Raidou

Pro Adventurer
I thought Tifa said something along the lines of, "we weren't that close." Weren't that close indicates to me that they knew each other to at least some degree.
 

null

Mr. Thou
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null
They probably knew each other superficially, like most neighbors.

She says she really didn't know him that well, though they'd lived next door to each other and she'd always assumed they were close. Then she admitted he'd never been in her room, and that they weren't that close. And Cloud said he'd never been allowed in her group.
 

Raidou

Pro Adventurer
They probably knew each other superficially, like most neighbors.

She says she really didn't know him that well, though they'd lived next door to each other and she'd always assumed they were close. Then she admitted he'd never been in her room, and that they weren't that close. And Cloud said he'd never been allowed in her group.

Tifa:But I really didn't know you that well. I've known you since we were children and always thought we were close... Now that you mention
it... I don't recall you ever being in my room...

I agree with you
 

Obsidian Fire

Ahk Morn!
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The Engineer
I think it's not so much how well Tifa knew Cloud, as much as it is that Tifa is the only living person in all of Gaia that knew what the real Cloud was like at any point in his life. She's the only person who would be able to remember what he was like before he got all of Zack's memories imprinted into his head. Aerith is able to tell that Zack/Cloud isn't right in the head, but she doesn't have any knowledge of what Zack/Cloud should be like. All she knows is the Cloud is acting a lot like her old boyfriend and that's not the way he should be acting.
 

minimosey

Pro Adventurer
I thought Tifa said something along the lines of, "we weren't that close." Weren't that close indicates to me that they knew each other to at least some degree.

She does say that ("it's true that we weren't THAT close", from Yinza's script); I think how you take it can vary, because Tifa also says she "always thought [they] were close", and then follows it up with something that contradicts that connection: she's just realized he never came in her room. So right there, she's realizing how she remembered things were distorted; she thought they were close, but they weren't. She follows the "THAT close" line up with talking about how she followed the newspapers for a mention, so I always took it as her saying they weren't actually close, but she did care enough about Cloud to keep an eye out for any news of him.

It is possible to say they got to know each other better before Cloud left. It's just not what I think, since I don't know any mention of it by them and...they don't really act like they had secret meetings to me, idk. Greeting each other in the village, maybe taking a few minutes to chat, but not running off into the mountains or whatever for a few hours. At the time of CC, they don't act like they're friends, they act like they're mutual crushes with no flipping clue what the other will think of them having a crush and no hope of approaching the other as just a friend.

Also, just to throw this out there--I do think the sword in the flowers is a Z/A sign, but I think it's also another resolution for Cloud. You see Cloud talking to the sword in the cliff, talking about how he promised to live both their lives. The sword marks where Zack died, failing to reach Aerith as he wanted to, and Cloud feels guilt for that. In ACC, the sword is now with the flowers in the church, and the cliff is now covered in flowers as well and also the birthplace of a hero. It kind of works in two ways: as long as the sword was at the cliff, it would always be a marker for Zack's grave, which kind of ...doesn't work for a symbol of a different hero being born. Especially with the condition the sword was in. But where it's moved is very important too: the church is where Zack naturally would have met up with Aerith had he reached Midgar. And he did meet up with Aerith, even if it wasn't the preferred way. Cloud didn't fail Zack, so instead of the sword being at Zack's death site, it's now where Zack wanted to be, a sign that his friend is at peace.

...You know, if the cliff is Cloud's "birthplace" and if we take flowers to symbolize Aerith...Aerith is Cloud's mother again?! God, FF7 and its mothers.

I'm totally late on responding with the first part now, but w/e.
 

Dashell

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Which makes me go back to SE; their pairings are obviously Zerith and Cloti - I mean, the way they push the two pairings isn't even subtle anymore. Only, Zerith is tragic romance and CloTi is difficult romance that make it through. There's no easy romance with SE in the Compilation - look at all the pairings going through shit. I don't see them having Aerith saying how Cloud was her beloved contradicts what they write - it IS true. It's just more complicated than just that.

I don't think it's as complicated as some make it seem really. But you got it right, she loves Cloud, Cloud is her beloved. It doesn't contradict, that I can get behind you on.
 
I'd have to watch the scene again, but I thought the current memories were of when they were younger, and she's remembering 'ya when we were little we weren't that close'. The reason why she'd make the mistake is because they became close later.

Also, Eerie, if I could thank more than once I would. Especially:

If Zack had been targetted, she probably would have said the same about him - how he was her beloved and precious to her. But it was Cloud who was the target, and she was reminded that.

Which makes me go back to SE; their pairings are obviously Zerith and Cloti - I mean, the way they push the two pairings isn't even subtle anymore.
 

Raidou

Pro Adventurer

Cloud

You again?
...Who are you?


...You'll find out soon. ......But more importantly, 5 years ago...
Cloud
5 Years ago... Nibelheim?


When you went to Mt. Nibel then, Tifa was your guide, right?
Cloud
Yeah... I was surprised.


But where was Tifa other than that?
Cloud
...I dunno.


It was a great chance for you two to see each other again.
Cloud
...You're right.


Why couldn't you see each other alone?
Cloud
...I don't know. I can't remember clearly...


Why don't you try asking Tifa?
Cloud
...Yeah.


Then, get up!




This scene is weird for me
I do not know how to Interpret :(
 

minimosey

Pro Adventurer
Nightroad--it's the "real" Cloud pointing out to himself that it's weird as hell that he and Tifa didn't talk as friends during Nibelheim if they were reuniting the way Cloud remembered at the time. After all, if Cloud had returned as a SOLDIER, triumphantly keeping his promise, they both would have been excited to see each other and would have had a personal meeting.

...Maybe a very "personal" meeting.

But basically, it's weird that he only remembers Tifa being the tour guide and not talking to him one-on-one.

I'd have to watch the scene again, but I thought the current memories were of when they were younger, and she's remembering 'ya when we were little we weren't that close'. The reason why she'd make the mistake is because they became close later.

It's possible, but what in canon says they actually did get close before Cloud left? Tifa says she thought about Cloud a lot, after he left. That's another way she could have made the mistake: she was thinking about him a lot. And after Nibelheim, he was the only thing she had left of home to really look forward to. So she keeps thinking fondly of this kid she often saw around the village, and eventually that fondness gets projected onto the memories themselves.
 
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Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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Tim, Ryu
wow ryu u r v. good at detecting sarcasm

especially with that obv. serious cloud and tifa playing doctor joke

i applaud u

It wasn't based on anything remotely like people had said and was not funny. You forced the joke. It was not funny.

I think the funniest part of this thread is everyone trying to tell Winter, who actually did live in a small mountain town and tried to sneak off to do her own thing, what it's like to live in a small mountain town and sneak off to do your own thing.

you stay classy tls :monster:

Pssst! I speak from experience on this one too. I have spent a not inconsiderable time in small towns and equivalent environs and snuck off as easy as you please. I'm not saying Winter's wrong, I'm saying her experience is not a universal truth.

Please... please tell me you knew she was joking.

I did. The joke was based on mocking something not a damn person here was saying. Strawmen for humor are still strawmen.

In re: Cloud and Tifa knowing each other. Just as Zee, Winter, etc. cannot fathom the idea of Zack and Aerith not bumping an ugly or seven, so too does it seem unlikely that Cloud and Tifa would not find time in the intervening months to try and spend more time together, even if they did not manage to get to know each other well.
Tifa does have to have some basis on which to know immediately that Cloud is not himself, as we are told she does, and that would explain where the basis comes from.
 
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Winter

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In re: Cloud and Tifa knowing each other. Just as Zee, Winter, etc. cannot fathom the idea of Zack and Aerith not bumping an ugly or seven
YOU KNOW THEY DID. YOU KNOW IT.


also, everyone seems to agree that Cloud and Tifa, regardless of how often they saw each other, weren't too close. So why do people say that they "fell in love as children"?

idgi

also when I lived in a tiny nosy mountain town my mom owned a coffee shop and I was probably the only lesbian that had lived in that town in all of ever

to say I was on lockdown was an understatement

I would imagine Tifa would be living under similar circumstances. :monster:
 
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