The Final Fantasy VII LTD Thread (Round 4)

[Winter]

cloud was a mess at 14, he didn't love shit

the only way you could feel deep, lasting emotion at age 14 is if you're a hard ass bitch like Azula.

but all she felt was HATRED AND GREED AND HONOR and awkward lesbian feelings

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

i still don't understand how he swallows aerith's she jizz (which he "caught in his mouth", mfw alex doesn't understand female orgasms at all) and then magically inherits her memories

what the dicks

When our starting assumption is that Cloud is fucking Aerith's ghost in a flower field, or even that said ghost leaks Lifestream as her natural lubricant, C inheriting memories from plundering her muff doesn't even make my head turn.

 

[Tifabelle]

When our starting assumption is that Cloud is fucking Aerith's ghost in a flower field, or even that said ghost leaks Lifestream as her natural lubricant, C inheriting memories from plundering her muff doesn't even make my head turn.

He also feels her pleasure. So it's like some weird way of Cloud getting himself off.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

He also feels her pleasure. So it's like some weird way of Cloud getting himself off.

Now this is a compilation entry I want to see.

amirite?

 

[Dashell]

Ahh you guys WISH you could feel female orgasms like Cloud could

Lolz. I was hoping you'd catch that.

Oh I meant to say "I see what you did there."

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

oh god you guys you know square enix is already planning a game where cloud sucks himself off they just haven't gotten the rocks pretty looking enough

DONT ENCOURAGE THEM

 

[Tifabelle]

oh god you guys you know square enix is already planning a game where cloud sucks himself off they just haven't gotten the rocks pretty looking enough

DONT ENCOURAGE THEM

Cloud's rocks? I bet they are glorious.


EDIT: I wonder if they have that mako glow.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I like the part where Cloud doesn't know where to kiss her, but yet knows that she's supposed to have a hymen. Still my favorite is how the junk that comes out of her vagina is the lifestream. That's really the gold right there.

It's a whole new level of crazy.

Also, I'm not the only one endlessly annoyed by the term "her sex," am I?

As a discussion of the sex organs, it does come across as pretty dumb.

i still don't understand how he swallows aerith's she jizz (which he "caught in his mouth", mfw alex doesn't understand female orgasms at all) and then magically inherits her memories

what the dicks

MAAAAGIC.
MAAAAARY SUUUUE.

i thot that was how sex worked

man i am so confused now

It is, but only you women get to experience memories. It's something to do with the properties of Semen and how men also think with their penis.

cloud was a mess at 14, he didn't love shit

No, he'd be a mess at 14 if he DID love shit.

the only way you could feel deep, lasting emotion at age 14 is if you're a hard ass bitch like Azula.

but all she felt was HATRED AND GREED AND HONOR and awkward lesbian feelings

Just like Cloud!

Ahh you guys WISH you could feel female orgasms like Cloud could

Yeah, but most of us aren't women like he is.

Cloud's rocks? I bet they are glorious.


EDIT: I wonder if they have that mako glow.

Only during Limit Breaks.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

MAAAAGIC.
MAAAAARY SUUUUE.

i feel this is more having no idea how a vagina actually works and less to do with aerith being a magic mary sue

 

[Ryushikaze]

i feel this is more having no idea how a vagina actually works and less to do with aerith being a magic mary sue

No, the 'catching it in his mouth' is everything to with not knowing how the vagina works.

The magical memory juice is down to Magical Mary Sues, which is what I was commenting on.

 

[Tifabelle]

No, he'd be a mess at 14 if he DID love shit.

You've read "Cloud Mows the Lawn", right? Course he was older than 14, but I suspect it had to start somewhere.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

No, the 'catching it in his mouth' is everything to with not knowing how the vagina works.

The magical memory juice is down to Magical Mary Sues, which is what I was commenting on.

den you should have bolded that part

 

[Ryushikaze]

You've read "Cloud Mows the Lawn", right? Course he was older than 14, but I suspect it had to start somewhere.

And when does it start for Tifa?

den you should have bolded that part

Well, the bit about not knowing vaginas was the parenthetical.

 

[Tifabelle]

And when does it start for Tifa?

Isn't it obvious?

 

[Dana Scully]

That fic - which was pretty fucking awful - is still not as bad as the Yuffie x Nanaki smut one, imo.

 

[Tifabelle]

That fic - which was pretty fucking awful - is still not as bad as the Yuffie x Nanaki smut one, imo.

Eeeeeeewwwwwww!







link please

 

[Ryushikaze]

You know, it's sad.... that doesn't narrow it down.

 

[Dashell]

Are we still talking about bad fanfics? For people who say you want to forget that stuff you sure do go on about it

 

[Tifabelle]

It's a very sensitive support group. Don't impede the progress.

 

[Dashell]

Also I realize this was pages ago but:

Well, Bugen did kinda do just that with regards to his father.

No, as soon as he found out that Nanaki thought his dad was a dead beat, he showed Nanaki the truth.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Also I realize this was pages ago but:


No, as soon as he found out that Nanaki thought his dad was a dead beat, he showed Nanaki the truth.

Not exactly. Bugen said "You really can't forgive your father?" before Red even said exactly what he couldn't forgive him for:

Red XIII
"......Long ago."
"...When I was still very small. We were all around this flame..."

Red XIII
"No, never mind..."

Cloud
"What happened?"

Red XIII
"It's about my parents."
"When I talk about my mother, I am full of pride and joy..."
"And that's fine. ...But when I remember my father, my heart is full of anger..."

Bugenhagen
"...You really can't forgive your father...?"

Red XIII
"Of course. He... left mother for dead."
"When the Gi tribe attacked, he ran off by himself, leaving mother and the people of the Canyon!"

Bugenhagen
"...Come, Nanaki. There's something you should see."

He knew what was up with the pup.

 

[Dashell]

Tres, stop proving me wrong, it's really annoying.

 

[looneymoon]

HEY.

:motherfuckers:

How DARE you all make this thread awesome while I'm at work



...but I unfortunately do have something somewhat relevant to add to this at the moment.

Not exactly LTD related, but I was browsing FF7 Citadel for the first time in a while and came across a few articles. Since I don't really pay super close attention to the canon, I was wondering if someone could help with a couple of things.

Sakaguchi Interview

What the flying fuck this is creepy why do I not remember knowing about this before

I recall seeing the Sakaguchi interview, except with some sort of mention of Aerith's death or something. Something about wanting the player's wanting to feel the same pain or something. Are there any other Sakaguchi interviews regarding FF7 floating around?

Also, where did the Nomura quote of "bringing in Tifa" come from?

tbh I was wondering what sorts of creator material exists before the Compilation. I'm just compiling some information. After this semester I think I may get started on a project I've been mulling over for a while. Not really LTD related, but I figured this was the best thread to go to. Other than this site and Citadel, I really don't know where else would have them.

Also, from early materials:

Cloud: “Want to rest a bit?”
Aerith: “Yeah.”
Cloud: “So why are you being so nice to me, anyway?”
Aerith: “You bought a flower, didn’t you? I’ve been selling flowers for a long time now… but they’re not exactly in demand. I guess people just don’t have the time to enjoy flowers in this world.”
Cloud: “That’s it?”
Aerith: “I like men who buy flowers from me. That’s how I met the first man I feel in love with.”
Cloud: “Your first love…?”
Aerith: “No, nothing like that. But I adored him. He always used to buy a flower every time he saw me. When you bought one, it just sort of reminded me of that. Ah, but forget about it. That’s all in the past now. Come on, let’s go.”

I admit that I am giant sap but damn, this sounds way better than what they came up with for CC.

 

[Eidolon Sniper]

"I was honestly expecting Cloud being safe and secure in Tifa’s arms at the end of Advent Children – no more bitter wandering, etc. But we see that he has took off to wandering again (when we all KNOW better that he should just stay there supporting Tifa and all even for a bit), and his travels took him to a field of flowers where Aerith was waiting."
If this should prove that Tifa and Cloud officially are a couple, then one is probably blind not to see that implication.
Going back to FF VII, the Highwind scene was probably something which only showed how precious Tifa was to Cloud, and how Cloud was precious to Tifa. After all, what happened in the end credits? Cloud knew that Aerith would be waiting for him “there”. In the “Case of Tifa”, Tifa tried very hard to create a family with Denzel and Marlene, and probably some other kids too. But she was really distraught. Cloud was obviously doing fine until Elmyra asked him to deliver a bunch of flowers for Aerith in the City of the Ancients. He never got over the guilt of having Aerith die in his arms and it really haunted him so much that even Tifa commented on it in Advent Children. She was frustrated because she simply felt that she could NOT do anything for Cloud. Probably in her mind, Aerith was really the only person who got to Cloud in a way she couldn’t do.
In the Highwind scene, it was weird that if they had some kind of intimacy there, Cloud is acting like nothing out of the ordinary happened. Tifa is a rather shy and nervous girl, she obviously didn’t want people to get the WRONG idea. If any, she was also at fault for not knowing HOW to convey her feelings to Cloud – evidenced by the way she reacted to Cloud’s guilt in Advent Children. Cloud got his act together by that moment with Tifa, but we knew all along that it was largely his commitment to Aerith and her death that he was moved to challenge Sephiroth. He didn’t WANT Aerith’s smile just to be frozen like that. And funny how Aerith should be shafted here, all of their friends know how important Aerith was and wearing those Ribbons in memory of her. Tifa KNEW how important Aerith IS to Cloud. The many games that Cloud and Aerith appear in seem to debunk Cloti as well – wouldn’t an official couple get in so many games together, exploring/exploiting their longing for each other or love for each other? How Aerith was always Light to Cloud’s Darkness, how it was always Cloud’s guilt about Aerith’s death that was always played upon? Cloud could probably mourn about his other friends who died in the struggle, but his grief over Aerith’s death was something that was always there in his heart. Aerith was the one who also lightened Cloud’s burden before he and the rest of the gang took on Bahamut SIN. And it was Aerith who told Cloud to FORGIVE himself. Was there anything that Tifa did to remotely even push Cloud to forgiving himself of that guilt? She probably tried, but obviously she was having a hard time trying to. Again, one will have to be BLIND not to see that implication. Cloud let go of his guilt because of the encouragement he got from Aerith, who wanted to meet the real him on that fateful date in the Golden Saucer. People also seem to have forgotten that Aerith initially liked Cloud because he reminded her of Zack, but then she realizes that she likes Cloud little by little for who he really is. If she didn’t then why the hell will she even WANT to meet the REAL Cloud if she knew he was just Zack?
Also, Japanese is a hard language to translate and could mean many things to different people. Frankly, this is like a debate with panels and panels comparing IchiRuki/IchiHime/NaruSaku/NaruHina, etc. etc., etc. in one fandom and proving how one ship is definitely tons better than one ship, complete with interpretations of how the characters were drawn, symbolic implication and what have you. This probably is one case where people interpret it as they will too. This is also not the case of MY TRANSLATION IS BETTER THAN YOURS LOLZ. How sure is it even if the feelings that Tifa and Cloud have for each other – the feelings that match – instantly equates to true love? Love as best friends probably at the most – for lovers nothing was written there, only emo tripping by Cloud as far as the movie went, and how Sephiroth wanted to use Cloud’s guilt over Aerith’s death AGAIN a telling clue as to who Cloud still holds very dear in his heart."


Anyone who thinks this is straight out CloTi bashing and anti CloTi or pure Clerith feel free to comment on it.



Books, movies, everything - they mean different things to different people, and even how much you really like it tends to color how you view it too. Also PLEASE remember that what is also being argued here is an abstract idea. Love cannot be equated VERY well just so said lines say it is. It is very funny how this is even being argued in EXACT terms - like how somebody could neatly put anything in a guide, for argument's sakes. If it were an argument about something EXACT that has happened - say, some war - it could be measured in exact terms but you can't really say how you felt about it unless the teacher asks you HOW to explain it, WHAT you felt. In here students start to feel differently, put out different feelings about how that war felt to them. A teacher has no control over what her students FEEL about a war, not unless they were compelled, or it's some kind of law that they should only feel that way and it's dangerous to think otherwise. You cannot equate a feeling into exact science. You cannot simply say, that does not happen because it's already written that it is - that's pure bull and you know it. People will always HAVE different opinions on anything. This is what makes us diverse.


Going back on the LTD, it's even silly that people should even debate it up to now. Ultimanias and what else have already added much to the reason WHY people are now hating on the FF 7 fandom - mainly because of the shipping wars, and because it only complicates things more as each Compilation game/novella/whatever is announced. What we know about the original game was made more and more complicated by side side side side side side stories and sub sub sub sub sub sub characters. With each game put out, relationships also became more complicated. Add this to the novellas and the movie. I laughed at the claim of Dirge Of Cerberus, saying that it's another take on the world's favorite story. While I loved FF 7 and its characters generally, having to go through remakes of remakes of remakes of remakes of remakes is already just putting me into boredom with each subsequent release. I loved Crisis Core though - for me it had that feel of FF 7 to it, whereas Dirge was...well what exactly? Bored enough to try other games.



The first post I made was an opinion. In CloTi's minds, they probably only see the AERITH ZOMG that's plastered on each and every few set of words. They fail to see the CloTi written in there as well. Can you tell me that it was straight bull? I recognized Tifa's pain, her frustration, and how she really cared much about Cloud. I also lament at what people have been doing to other people on that LTD front page, being gunned down in favor of what they probably think is the EXACT literal translation of the article. Why, even the Bible is being challenged. If you guys could even give me an example where an argument has actually stood the test of time, is still accepted up to now, has no haters, has no different interpretations made by scholars and scholars and what have you, then bash all other people all you want. What we basically know now is WAY different than what people 500 years before knew. What we may know now as our "sacred" beliefs may be made different 15 minutes later, 2 days from now, 3 months from now.



Also, the internet? Victim what have you? Oh PLEASE. Just so we can be tough guys on the internet doesn't mean you can go around bullying people just so you feel like it, and then cry foul if you were bullied as well. This isn't Miss Manners and Right Conduct - you are literally showing the world how you probably might handle a confrontation, an attack on what you believe in, God knows what else. Of course you know you don't - the argument "this is not the real me on the internet/implying that what one shows on the internet is what one really is in real life" etc. may be put out here - but do they know and will they bother to know?

 

[Dashell]

Not reading that except for this:

Japanese is a hard language to translate and could mean many things to different people

Dude I can translate it... so it can't be that hard

This is also not the case of MY TRANSLATION IS BETTER THAN YOURS LOLZ. How sure is it even if the feelings that Tifa and Cloud have for each other – the feelings that match – instantly equates to true love?

I really get sick of this argument. First of all, unless you have another translation to provide, please don't rip on other people's. You're right, it's not easy to translate Japanese, and when people do translate, they work hard. You're basically ripping on someone else's hard work and saying "IT'S WRONG IT'S WRONG" (or rather, "it could be wrong") without any proof whatsoever.

Image you like to draw, and you work really hard on a picture and you think it's beautiful and I come running in and tell you it's wrong but provide no other help whatsoever or no reason as to why it might be wrong. That's what you're doing here.

Now the word being used here, that the ENTIRE PAGE EXCEPT FOR WHAT'S BOXED OFF is about, is renai:

http://www.nihongodict.com/w/54052/renai/

That's romantic love. That's all you need to know. That word can not be understood any other way. The entire page is about the protagonists sharing their "renai" for one another. You can talk about about how you don't like it all you want, but please stop with this "Yeah you know that page that has ALL of the protagonist sharing their romantic love for one another? Well Cloud and Tifa are on the page but it's just friendly love!" I mean why would Cloud and Tifa be the exception on that page? Because you don't like it? I mean really?

tbh I was wondering what sorts of creator material exists before the Compilation. I'm just compiling some information. After this semester I think I may get started on a project I've been mulling over for a while. Not really LTD related, but I figured this was the best thread to go to. Other than this site and Citadel, I really don't know where else would have them.

I can get you anything from Dismantled