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Goodbye Charlie

Rising Chest-Bank Protestor
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=spirit_chaser link=topic=53.msg3324#msg3324 date=1229923656]
For your better understanding, biased Cloti:
`Reminiscence also shows Cloud's motorbike parked outside of Aerith's flower field as he makes the phone call to Tifa telling her that he's taking the day off tomorrow, rather than rushing home today. The sun is still shining brightly in this scene, so it appears to be happening during early or mid-day. Since Cloud says that he only has one more delivery to make to Midgar, it's easy to assume that Cloud has stopped outside the flower field to spend the rest of the day with Aerith.` FF_G @ clerith.com
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That is beyond incredible reasoning. I must admit, while I always felt FF_G's obsessive tendencies were disturbing, I could at least commend her for keeping her arguments - for the most part - intelligable. This is staggering - the sort of thing I'd imagine some one looking to appeal to her thinking would consider.

Because yes, someone watching the film would "get" that rationale. That the hero would be be taking the day of tomorrow for the party, ergo meaning he was spending the day standing in a flowerfield. Because the tonality of the film implicitly tells the average viewer that Cloud would have a picnic with a dead ghost; that a film whose entire concept is about Cloud moving on and accepting the past would end with him putting his present on hold.. to chat amiably/have sex with/cuddle a ghost.

So essentially, to FF_G, ignoring the fact the script dictates that Aeris is unseen and watching afar, thinks that a film that is pretty much solely about Cloud's self destructive guilt failing those he cares for and with the help of his friends and ghosts from the past move on from his pain, would end with him embracing the dead than the living - taken from a scene which was created to cap this notion of living in the present by Cloud taking a day off to be with his friends and family.

Staggering. Completely staggering.
 

haichinamie

Banned
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

I think you guys should stop being so mean to people that can't even reply to you! I mean you guys type up these big paragraphs in response to every little thing and it just gets very tiring! Why do you have to gang up on ppl? :(

And FF_G is a nice problem who puts very much heart into her essays! T_t For you to just mock them like that and pluck them from her site is very rude and uncalled for, especially since she can't replie!!!
 

spirit_chaser

Pro Adventurer
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=haichinamie link=topic=53.msg3389#msg3389 date=1229959743]
I think you guys should stop being so mean to people that can't even reply to you! I mean you guys type up these big paragraphs in response to every little thing and it just gets very tiring! Why do you have to gang up on ppl? :(

And FF_G is a nice problem who puts very much heart into her essays! T_t For you to just mock them like that and pluck them from her site is very rude and uncalled for, especially since she can't replie!!!
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If you`re bothered by us you can either stop reading this thread, or invite FF_G to join us, or defend Clerith POV by yourself.

And have you ever been to FF_G personal site, may I ask?
 

haichinamie

Banned
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

I do not have to stop reading this thread THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! I am allowed to express my opinion because I think the utter immature flaming here is against the rules! or at least making fun og people behind their back!

And yes I have! She puts a lot of work into her essays, so what if they aren't what you'd call ideal! She has seen the movie very many times and has been there following it since the very beginning! what would a bunch of immatures know about her??? she is a very busy woman and does not have time for such tripe things!!! She is 30 I repeaty 30 years old and i am sure that most 30 year olds have better things to do than argue with children about a bunch of pixels! get real!

EDIT: AAlso I do not mean to yell at everyone in this thread! just the very mean ones who do not know what being POLITE means!
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=haichinamie link=topic=53.msg3394#msg3394 date=1229961741]
I do not have to stop reading this thread THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!![/quote]

English lesson time.
Can- You are able.
Have to- You are required.

Strawmen that are too apparent aren't even fun anymore.

I am allowed to express my opinion because I think the utter immature flaming here is against the rules! or at least making fun og people behind their back!

It's not 'making fun of people', it's dissecting their utterly ludicrous argument, and we'd do the same to their face, if only they'd come into a forum where they haven't legislated there conclusion and declared all dissent as a bannable offense.

And yes I have! She puts a lot of work into her essays, so what if they aren't what you'd call ideal!

I would rather someone put quality instead of effort into their essays.

She has seen the movie very many times and has been there following it since the very beginning! what would a bunch of immatures know about her??? she is a very busy woman and does not have time for such tripe things!!! She is 30 I repeaty 30 years old and i am sure that most 30 year olds have better things to do than argue with children about a bunch of pixels! get real!

I'm sure most 30 year olds have better things to do than maintain a website about a fictional pairing- IE: 'about a bunch of pixels'- and writing essays for it.

EDIT: AAlso I do not mean to yell at everyone in this thread! just the very mean ones who do not know what being POLITE means!

'Because you are mean' is not a legitimate criticism to an otherwise valid criticism.

Also, I see from your signature the editing of reality has already spread to Dissidia, and that people still don't know what the hell the song Calling is supposed to be about.
 

Goodbye Charlie

Rising Chest-Bank Protestor
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=haichinamie link=topic=53.msg3389#msg3389 date=1229959743]
I think you guys should stop being so mean to people that can't even reply to you! I mean you guys type up these big paragraphs in response to every little thing and it just gets very tiring! Why do you have to gang up on ppl? :([/quote]

Which I know from some past sources she does very much the same thing - only differences is we do it in an open topic where she can come and defend herself, she doesn't offer people like myself the same etiquette when she dissects posts she's disagreed with on AC.net (where this debate has come over from). We have offered for her to debate in an open, public forum like this for a couple of years to my knowledge. She's declined - but is always happy to send her friends who almost literally regurgitate her essays.

So don't get upset, just make sure you've got the facts before you accuse others. ;) She's a tough girl FF_G - she prefers to do her breakdowns from the safety of her own kingdom where no one can counter her remarks. We prefer to offer our opinions in an open forum and we're happy for her or anyone else we specifically comment on to join in and reply in the same candor.

And FF_G is a nice problem who puts very much heart into her essays! T_t For you to just mock them like that and pluck them from her site is very rude and uncalled for, especially since she can't replie!!!

Again, nothing stopping her from replying. I don't see any bars on this forum. And yes, I agree. She is a nice problem. ;)

Seriously, if you know FF_G then you know she's as good as she gets. She's not some flower angel who when wrongly grieves goes and has a weep. She has her own little war dance.

She can have her opinion, I respect that - what I don't respect is the years of trying to rewrite FF7 history; if you make enough essays and websites pertaining to your non-objective opinion, people believe it as fact - particularly those who don't look any further than the first port of call. It's misinformation - and often quite antagonistic misinformation. Your kind friend has made some very interesting 'nice' comparisons of those who disagree with her. Some of which. as I recall, were downright awful.

Again, I'm sure you are aware of that, but given we're a public thread and you've questioned the candor, only seems appropriate to address the balance and make it clear that the issue is the arguments she openly professes, not the person herself. Whatever FF_G does with her life, I wish her the best and I make no comment on anything else about her - only what she says on this topic and how she relates to those who oppose her strong ideology.
 

spirit_chaser

Pro Adventurer
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=haichinamie link=topic=53.msg3394#msg3394 date=1229961741]And yes I have! She puts a lot of work into her essays, so what if they aren't what you'd call ideal! She has seen the movie very many times and has been there following it since the very beginning! what would a bunch of immatures know about her??? she is a very busy woman and does not have time for such tripe things!!! She is 30 I repeaty 30 years old and i am sure that most 30 year olds have better things to do than argue with children about a bunch of pixels! get real! [/quote]

She, hovewer, has plenty of time for these:
http://www.geocities.com/anime_art2003/Tirades.html
http://www.geocities.com/anime_art2003/AntiCloTi.html

What a mature 30yo woman... ::)

And yes, Cleriths are welcome to join us. I predict it to be even more fun.
I doubt they will though. All they can do is imagine things at their pink forum.
 

Tennyo

Higher Further Faster
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

WTF IS THAT SHIT?!?!?!?!?!

That's it, I say no more. No more FF_G, no more Destiny Fulfilled, no more Destiny Failed (even thought the John Madden stuff was win), no more of this immature bull crap. I just can't take it. The whole thing goes way too far in BOTH directions. :/

I say let them all wallow in their own immaturity. It's obvious their lives would all be over without it. They all sustain each other in their own cycle of idiocy and I'd rather not be involved on any level.
 

OneWingedDemon

NOT AMUSED
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

I rather like Destiny Failed.
I see nothign wrong with laughing at the stupid :)

And FFG is an endless source fo lulz. Come now, without our discussions, no one would even know of her. We're doing her a favor.

And Charlie, I'll be your Joanne and you can see my room ;)

Or, a little closer to the movie, I can be the Cloud to your reincarnated Aeris :) But in dog form.
 

Tennyo

Higher Further Faster
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

That's my point. Let's NOT do her a favor. She doesn't seem like someone who deserves any attention what so ever, be it for good or bad. A rather large waste of space IMHO.
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
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Smooth Criminal
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

It's Tana so please don't feed the troll. :monster:

Maybe she'll get with it and post without trolling, but until then, ignore it, report the posts, and let us handle it.

Carry on everyone ^^
 

OneWingedDemon

NOT AMUSED
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Nein. Her arguments are copy+pasted everywhere by the lesser Clerii who can't even spell their own name without FFG holding their hand. She rallies them to arms in her private forums and then they proceed to repeat her nonsensical ramblings.

Like wiser men have said before me, the stupid need to be told that they are, indeed, stupid.

 

Tennyo

Higher Further Faster
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

lol Mako I wasn't complaining about Tana. But if she is haichinamie then maybe you are right. :P What does the checkmark with Watched mean anyway?

And I dunno, OWD. Maybe it's just because people of their ilk piss me off so much. And I don't just mean Clerii, I mean all people from all walks of life who are willing to stoop that low and be that petty for stupid reasons. Even the "rabid Cloti" FFG complains about are a pain and are not adverse to praying on their own kind.

 

Celes Chere

Banned
AKA
Noctis
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

That number seems really high from what I recall of my last playthrough.

I think I remember about... four or five times off the top of my head. 63, what a BS number.

Are you saying that Cloud wouldn't rush to rescue Barret or Yuffie???

I don't think Cloud would caress Barret or Yuffie's cheek. :monster:

Reminiscence also shows Cloud's motorbike parked outside of Aerith's flower field as he makes the phone call to Tifa telling her that he's taking the day off tomorrow, rather than rushing home today. The sun is still shining brightly in this scene, so it appears to be happening during early or mid-day. Since Cloud says that he only has one more delivery to make to Midgar, it's easy to assume that Cloud has stopped outside the flower field to spend the rest of the day with Aerith.

Hahaha. You know, Cloud leaves those same yellow flowers at Zack's grave. Maybe he having an Aerith+Zack picnic. :D

to people that can't even reply to you!

Well, if FF_G would ever come out of hiding and stop using her supposed 'maturity' as an excuse... Really. All she ever does is talk about people behind their backs. It's like, her "life"style.

 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
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Smooth Criminal
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

@Tennyo

It means that she's being watched and thus we'll know when she posts and all :monster: It's what happens when you get a certain amount of warnings for spam. It's like nipping it in the bud so to speak :monster:
 

OneWingedDemon

NOT AMUSED
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Except half the rabid Clotis FFG talks about are often made up and don't really exist. Kinda of how they make up "ridiculous Cloti arguments"

Not saying we lack idiots or something. They're present in every fandom. But Im evil and manly, so I like to laugh at dumb shippers...like Harmony ones. Especially when they think they know what they're talking about.

I guess we differ in that. I have no qualms about telling it like it is, even if people think it's politically incorrect or offensive to the "opposition". If I don't agree or think you're being ridiculous, you'll know. This is the internet. I'm not gonna try to appear nice and hold hands with everyone.

As a group, the Clerii come up with ridiculous bullshit to keep their ship afloat. And as a fan of FFVII, I like to point out the stupid in all of that. I don't think that's "stooping down to their level"

The stupid and immature are just that. Telling them they are that is not stupid or immature.

I don't think Cloud would caress Barret or Yuffie's cheek.

Oh man, the mental image of Cloud caressing Barret's cheek. LMAO! Quick somebody with skillz photoshop it

P.S: OWD is no longer a n00b. YES!
 

spirit_chaser

Pro Adventurer
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=OneWingedDemon link=topic=53.msg3451#msg3451 date=1229978325]Oh man, the mental image of Cloud caressing Barret's cheek. LMAO! Quick somebody with skillz photoshop it[/quote]

Who needs ps? I can totally imagine Barret in Tifa`s place!
cloti_church.png
 

Goodbye Charlie

Rising Chest-Bank Protestor
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=OneWingedDemon link=topic=53.msg3433#msg3433 date=1229975272]

And Charlie, I'll be your Joanne and you can see my room ;)
[/quote]

I'm all a quiver.

Or, a little closer to the movie, I can be the Cloud to your reincarnated Aeris :)

Intangible but tolerable.

But in dog form.

Oh.

;D
 

Tennyo

Higher Further Faster
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=OneWingedDemon link=topic=53.msg3464#msg3464 date=1229979368]
Yes, but look a Cloud's expression. He's like, "eew, I'm not touching this"
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It does kind of look like that actually. :duhard:
 
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Nah, he's totally a vampire and going to bite her neck. Prove me wrong without pointing out that doesn't happen in the movie!
 

Tennyo

Higher Further Faster
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Vampires can't be out during the day AND they can't enter a church! :monster:

And I'm totally just pulling stuff out of my ass.
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
AKA
Smooth Criminal
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Cloud can't be a vampire because vampires are manipulators and dominant.

Cloud's the manipulated, not the manipulator. Sephiroth can fill you in on the details :monster:
 
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