The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Celes Chere]

Naturally, if they reached out to us, I don't think they would be as bad.

Sorry, can't say I agree on that one. ^^; Well, as far as the Mods there go, and some of the more popular posters. I believe there are plenty of nice Cleriths there that would realize that places outside of one Forum are decent, and that we're not going to attack them with pitchforks if they decided to join. Unfortunately, (at least this is what I believe) there are Mods there to fill their heads with crap about Cloti's being evil and heathenous, so I wouldn't exactly blame the members for being influenced by some of the stories (mostly lies) that are told there, which is unfortunate.

Fury as in the member Fury Brand? She's a member here as well?

Fury is awesome. She's MaidenofWar here. =) I don't think she'll mind me saying so, since I already asked her in the Clerith thread.

 

[A]

Sorry, can't say I agree on that one. ^^; Well, as far as the Mods there go, and some of the more popular posters. I believe there are plenty of nice Cleriths there that would realize that places outside of one Forum are decent, and that we're not going to attack them with pitchforks if they decided to join. Unfortunately, (at least this is what I believe) there are Mods there to fill their heads with crap about Cloti's being evil and heathenous, so I wouldn't exactly blame the members for being influenced by some of the stories (mostly lies) that are told there, which is unfortunate.

Note that I said think. There's a chance that they'll act the same that they do towards us, but who's to say that they'll give us respect, and maybe in turn we'll give respect for them if they stop with the shit. Not saying all of them need to do that, now.

 

[Celes Chere]

I did notice you said think. I'm just sharing what I think as well.

Some people I don't think will ever change, I guess.

 

[Valerious]

i think cloud is more in love with zack den anybody else

am i at the right topic?

 

[paoo]

i think cloud is more in love with zack den anybody else

am i at the right topic?

*sends you to the Clack topic*
WELCOME DEAREST CLACKER!!1

Anyway.. What's left to discuss about the LT? Nothing?
But seriously, is it something you guys are confused about still?
I was confused about all the canoness in the Clerith scenes. But later I found out that SE was trying with the "You'll never know what happen" thingy. And the Cloti hints are there. :3

 

[Vendel]

Anyway.. What's left to discuss about the LT? Nothing?
But seriously, is it something you guys are confused about still?
I was confused about all the canoness in the Clerith scenes. But later I found out that SE was trying with the "You'll never know what happen" thingy. And the Cloti hints are there. :3

The only people who do not accept CloTi are those dead set on Cloud loving a dead girl. Or those are dead set that Cloud doesn't love anyone.

But if you go into it with an open mind or a clean slate it is very easy to assume Cloud and Tifa are in a relationship. And this is just from watching the movie. Let alone the mountain of other materials.

When I watched AC I was vaguely aware of a LTD. But I had no opinion whatsoever. By the end of AC it was crystal clear to me.

 

[paoo]

The only people who do not accept CloTi are those dead set on Cloud loving a dead girl. Or those are dead set that Cloud doesn't love anyone.

But if you go into it with an open mind or a clean slate it is very easy to assume Cloud and Tifa are in a relationship. And this is just from watching the movie. Let alone the mountain of other materials.

When I watched AC I was vaguely aware of a LTD. But I had no opinion whatsoever. By the end of AC it was crystal clear to me.

Yeah, but I can actually see Clerith happening if there were more proofs for their love. Most of the evidence is pointing at Cloti.. But I'm really trying to be open-minded around people that think Clerith is canon. Because I can understand why they think so.
Cloud and Aerith really is a beautiful pairing. But somehow I always supports the canon one more. <_<
SO U GET MOAR FANSERVICE!!1

 

[Vendel]

Most of the evidence is pointing against Cloti..

Wait.....what?

 

[paoo]

Wait.....what?

LULZ. xDDD Not against, ...at.
Sorry..

 

[Vendel]

LULZ. xDDD Not against, ...at.
Sorry..

I see.

*pulls back from the smite button*

 

[paoo]

I see.

*pulls back from the smite button*

Don't worry.
And what's up with ya, didn't you see the Pink Light?

 

[Vendel]

And what's up with ya, didn't you see the Pink Light?

The Pink light burns....

Plus the cheese wore off.

 

[paoo]

The Pink light burns....

Plus the cheese wore off.

Ouch.
Remember, we have..

Spoiler

on our Cloti-side. JOIN US NAOW.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

The only people who do not accept CloTi are those dead set on Cloud loving a dead girl. Or those are dead set that Cloud doesn't love anyone.

But if you go into it with an open mind or a clean slate it is very easy to assume Cloud and Tifa are in a relationship. And this is just from watching the movie. Let alone the mountain of other materials.

When I watched AC I was vaguely aware of a LTD. But I had no opinion whatsoever. By the end of AC it was crystal clear to me.

Interesting, but wrong. As I've said before, I went into AC, FF7 and KH with an open mind, and I saw Clerith. It had nothing to do with her being dead - I just saw him being drawn to Aerith and not really having any serious romantic interest in Tifa. It was obvious she loved him, but it never occurred to me he loved her back. My first experience with FF7's universe was AC, and I didn't even notice any evidence for an LT one way or the other.

 

[I Am Not Me]

Interesting, but wrong. As I've said before, I went into AC, FF7 and KH with an open mind, and I saw Clerith. It had nothing to do with her being dead - I just saw him being drawn to Aerith and not really having any serious romantic interest in Tifa. It was obvious she loved him, but it never occurred to me he loved her back. My first experience with FF7's universe was AC, and I didn't even notice any evidence for an LT one way or the other.

Care to explain just how Cloud doesn't have any serious romantic interest in Tifa?

I understand how you can see Cloud being drawn to Aerith, but him not having a romantic interest in Tifa is something I just cannot fathom. What brought about this observation, if you don't mind my asking?

I also don't understand how Cloud doesn't love Tifa. He loves her, even if there is nothing romantic in it, he does love her. He loves Aerith as well. He loves them differently. It's Tifa that he has romantic love for. Aerith is a precious friend to him.

If you explain it to me, then I might be able to see it from your side. I, for one, didn't come into the FFVII fandom with an open mind. I was told FFVII was purely Clerith. But as I watched and played through the compilation, I saw the real couple - Cloud and Tifa. It wasn't hard for me to see that either, as much as I had wanted it to be Clerith before. I looked for Clerith, it wasn't there.

The fact that I started out as a Clerith was from KH, where Aerith and Cloud are in the game together. Though I was more into LeonAerith... But because Tifa only came into the series at KH2, I thought she was just the minor heroine in Cloud's life compared to Aerith... and I was also a bit confused that Tifa gave her his light.


Anyhow, examples pl0x.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Examples of what? I think I covered my stance on how I saw each game fairly clearly here - http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?p=59411#post59411

That's just how it went for me. I played the games with the FF7 cast, I saw Clerith and one-sided love from Tifa. That's the thing I don't understand, that if Cloti is so obviously canon how I didn't see it.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

That's just how it went for me. I played the games with the FF7 cast, I saw Clerith and one-sided love from Tifa. That's the thing I don't understand, that if Cloti is so obviously canon how I didn't see it.

If CelesLocke is so canon, why do some people play the game and see SetzerCeles and TerraLocke? You would think that all people would see CelesLocke, but not everyone does. It's differing viewpoints, and that's how we get fandoms.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

If CelesLocke is so canon, why do some people play the game and see SetzerCeles and TerraLocke? You would think that all people would see CelesLocke, but not everyone does. It's differing viewpoints, and that's how we get fandoms.

Well there was TerraxLocke at the start a bit, but once Locke ran off on his own and met Celes it's clear he started falling for her. SetzerxCeles? Hm...yeah I get how people could see that, don't believe it but I see where that comes from.

And differing viewpoints? Exactly, that's all it is, Cleriths see things differently from Clotis. Hence my not understanding the animosity of the two sides to each other.

 

[paoo]

Yeah, and there is alot of things that shows that Cloud is interested in Tifa..

&#8220;&#8230;I think it will be all right this time.&#8221;
Cloud thought for a while before he continued.
&#8220;Because this time it will be together with you, Tifa.&#8221;
&#8220;Haven&#8217;t I always been together with you?&#8221;
&#8220;What I mean is kind of different.&#8221;
Cloud replied, smiling again.

-Case of Tifa

And let's not forget all the special comments to Tifa in the original game.
-"Thank you all.. And especially to you, Tifa.. One day you might meet the real Cloud."
-"It's only your attitude that counts!"
-".....Tifa..... It's so much I've wanted to tell you.. But now when we are together like this I don't know what I wanted to say.."

And etc.~

And I love how Cloud carresses Tifa's cheek in LO and CC. Both the scenes are adorable!

NUMNUMNUM, CLOTI-COOKIES.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

And differing viewpoints? Exactly, that's all it is, Cleriths see things differently from Clotis. Hence my not understanding the animosity of the two sides to each other.

It's sad, in a way. I think Dante mentioned that she was able to have a civilized conversation with someone who was pro-life, but Clotis and Cleriths jump at each other's throats when they see one another. It's a sad thing indeed.

 

[I Am Not Me]

Examples of what? I think I covered my stance on how I saw each game fairly clearly here - http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?p=59411#post59411

That's just how it went for me. I played the games with the FF7 cast, I saw Clerith and one-sided love from Tifa. That's the thing I don't understand, that if Cloti is so obviously canon how I didn't see it.

So have you read the replies for those yet? Why did you leave the LT and then come back without rebuttals given to that post? If you're so adamant about your couple being canon, why not defend it as you should? Surely there's something there that we missed, in which you construed that Tifa's love is one-sided. I seriously want to see your side of the story.

If Clerith is so obviously canon, why was I so disappointed that I didn't see it? I seriously don't get this part. I'm not as old and as experienced as you are, but I can see what's obvious.

I read your post... and I didn't see the examples I wanted. I want something concrete to go with this. Explanations to Cloud's actions in FFVII towards Aerith is within the Ultimania, even that laughing scene with her. The way Aerith and Cloud easily hit it off together is not something special either. We see this with Zack, Tifa, and everyone else. Aerith is shown to be a character that easily draws people. Everyone loves her. Cloud opening up to Aerith isn't something new. Even Cid warms up to her.

CoT shows the dynamics of CloTi. If you want a fairytale romance where everything always works out, watch Disney, read Twilight and fanfiction, or play another FF. It has even been practically spelled out in CoT that Cloud is the one being initiative in the relationship. If that's not indicative of romantic interest, then I don't know what is. Also, CoT is sort of an introduction to AC/C. If you saw the ending for AC/C, then we see how what was left in CoT was resolved.

Cloti is no mystery. It's Clerith as canon that's the mystery.



Please don't leave and ignore my post.
Edit: You're still here! I am happy that my post won't be ignored.
Edit-edit: If I sound like I'm looking for a fight, I'm not. Don't kill me, I'm cute

 

[paoo]

It's sad, in a way. I think Dante mentioned that she was able to have a civilized conversation with someone who was pro-life, but Clotis and Cleriths jump at each other's throats when they see one another. It's a sad thing indeed.

It's called debating.
But if other people call innocent people idiots for loving another pairing, then you're being really stupid.
And yeah, that's sad..

 

[I Am Not Me]

It's called debating.
But if other people call innocent people idiots for loving another pairing, then you're being really stupid.
And yeah, that's sad..

Okay, that's evil. D: Why call people stupid for liking another pairing?

I guess I should be executed for liking Cloti when I'm Clacker

Oh, we those things a lot in Youtube, by the way. They are entertaining.

 

[paoo]

So have you read the replies for those yet? Why did you leave the LT and then come back without rebuttals given to that post? If you're so adamant about your couple being canon, why not defend it as you should? Surely there's something there that we missed, in which you construed that Tifa's love is one-sided. I seriously want to see your side of the story.

If Clerith is so obviously canon, why was I so disappointed that I didn't see it? I seriously don't get this part. I'm not as old and as experienced as you are, but I can see what's obvious.

I read your post... and I didn't see the examples I wanted. I want something concrete to go with this. Explanations to Cloud's actions in FFVII towards Aerith is within the Ultimania, even that laughing scene with her. The way Aerith and Cloud easily hit it off together is not something special either. We see this with Zack, Tifa, and everyone else. Aerith is shown to be a character that easily draws people. Everyone loves her. Cloud opening up to Aerith isn't something new. Even Cid warms up to her.

CoT shows the dynamics of CloTi. If you want a fairytale romance where everything always works out, watch Disney, read Twilight and fanfiction, or play another FF. It has even been practically spelled out in CoT that Cloud is the one being initiative in the relationship. If that's not indicative of romantic interest, then I don't know what is. Also, CoT is sort of an introduction to AC/C. If you saw the ending for AC/C, then we see how what was left in CoT was resolved.

Cloti is no mystery. It's Clerith as canon that's the mystery.



Please don't leave and ignore my post.
Edit: You're still here! I am happy that my post won't be ignored.

Woah, let's take it easy little Mei.
We're just throwing us over the Cleriths with our evidence.
But seriously, SE said so.. Aerith was a character that was meant to be loved by everyone. She was going to make an affect on everyone too, and she did. That's probably why some people see her as something special to Cloud (she is, but not in a romantical way I think) 'Cause she is special to everyone. But Cloud is the main character, and as you know.. Aerith was interested in Cloud. I'm not denying that.

 

[I Am Not Me]

Woah, let's take it easy little Mei.
We're just throwing us over the Cleriths with our evidence.
But seriously, SE said so.. Aerith was a character that was meant to be loved by everyone. She was going to make an affect on everyone too, and she did. That's probably why some people see her as something special to Cloud (she is, but not in a romantical way I think) 'Cause she is special to everyone. But Cloud is the main character, and as you know.. Aerith was interested in Cloud. I'm not denying that.

Well, I actually do want to have a discussion about this. I'm in the mood. I want to see what made Drake see Clerith and not even a hint of Cloti, while I saw mostly Cloti and almost none of Clerith. It's the difference between our views that interests me.

Though I did go a bit off there. It kind of annoyed me that someone is saying Tifa's love isn't reciprocated. Which is probably the most false thing I have ever heard. Cloud obviously loves her, regardless of it being romantic. Sorry about that, Drake.

Thank you for not ignoring my post.

Aerith is special to me too. She's my favorite Aerith.

Edit: I'm not denying that Aerith is interested in Cloud either. But my view on this is she was only really interested in Cloud right before her death. The interest that sparked at first was how similar Cloud was to Zack, and how different they were at the same time. In the end, she had chosen to see who Cloud really is... but sadly, she died.