The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Ⓐaron]

One can be upstanding and still be a perv.

 

[paoo]

One can be upstanding and still be a perv.

That's TTLY true.
And Cloud is one of them.
I mean, come on!

1. Caressing Tifa's cheek when she's unconscious.
2. STEALS HER UNDERWEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!11

I sense a perv in the FF7 world..

 

[Akemmi]

If you present a viewpoint in a thread other people will comment on it. You're subject to everyone's opinion on that viewpoint.

And stop making the underwear thing so damn dirty Ryu, haven't you scarred enough minds?

Even when you are talking to other people? Bah, Thanks for the advice I'll keep it in mind.

That's TTLY true.
And Cloud is one of them.
I mean, come on!

1. Caressing Tifa's cheek when she's unconscious.
2. STEALS HER UNDERWEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!11

I sense a perv in the FF7 world..

lol The ff7 world is full of pervs, I think Cloud has a balance between being a perv and a gentlemen like most men hahaha

xxx

Akemmi

 

[Max Payne]

One can be upstanding and still be a perv.

no one's talking about you!

 

[Ⓐaron]

I was referring to both Cloud and myself actually

 

[Eerie]

@Akemmi: I know you didn't question cloti's canonicity (and that's totally a good point for you actually, seeing some arguments that I've seen here and there ), but it was to make my point XD Also yeah, once you jump in a thread, anyone can reply to you, that's the thing XD

@The Man: good thing you pinpointed that, one could think you were only talking about yourself. XD

And lol, Cloud. HENTAI!!! XD Seriously, stealing used panties is such an odd Japanese fetish Now that I think about it, I don't want to know what he's done with those afterwards

 

[Ryushikaze]

I'm confussed as to why you are replying to questions when I was talking to someone else? O.o
We've finished talking about that now. Sorry ^^

xxx

Akemmi

You made the point about the FF7 Ulti's changing rather than Clarifying the story. I wished to comment on this subject.

Even when you are talking to other people? Bah, Thanks for the advice I'll keep it in mind.

It is a public forum. Putting your idea out for all to comment on is the basic idea of such.

lol The ff7 world is full of pervs, I think Cloud has a balance between being a perv and a gentlemen like most men hahaha

xxx

Akemmi

Ah, so the male equivalent of the virgin whore balance is the gentleman pervert. I approve.

 

[Akemmi]

You made the point about the FF7 Ulti's changing rather than Clarifying the story. I wished to comment on this subject..

It is a public forum. Putting your idea out for all to comment on is the basic idea of such..

Ok, I'm new to forms so I didn't realise this. heh heh

Ah, so the male equivalent of the virgin whore balance is the gentleman pervert. I approve.

Yes, I've always liked this idea. Once you tip the scale to either side it either gets boring or freakishly pervy lol

 

[Raquelborn]

This is a point considered in favour of Clerith:

When Cloud is impaled by Sephiroth and is taunted by his question "Tell me what you cherish most. Give me the pleasure of taking it away." He immediately sees Aeris, Zack, and lastly Tifa's images. Aeris's image is seen 3 times, while Zack and Tifa's are only seen once.

Can anyone confirm this? This perplexed me because as far as I was aware Aerith appears once and Tifa appears twice.

Also, being placed at either the end or beginning of his flashes indicates emphasis, so arguing Aerith was at the beginning and Tifa was at the end counterbalances the favoring either way.

This website is also lacking in some valid and more up-to-date arguments on both sides: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Final_Fantasy_VII:_Romantic_Arguments

 

[Eerie]

It all changed with ACC anyway

Also, I don't think it's really that important. To me, it looks more like they each have a precious place in Cloud's heart - NOTHING IS NOT IMPORTANT. One's the best friend and hero he looked up to, one is a precious friend he should have not let die, one is the kid he's raising, one is the beloved. They're all cherished, all equally important, but towards one only he has romantic feelings.

 

[Isabella]

I agree with Syn. I think those flashes have been completely overanalyzed. This isn't some code we need to crack. You have to look at the story as a whole, not isolate on a few frames in a movie for clues. Sephiroth asked him what he cherished most, and he thought of his friends and family. Wouldn't most people think of those things in such an instance?

 

[Ryushikaze]

Ah, yes, the quantity over substance argument. Strange, then, that it's the memory of Zack that is given the most time and attention in ACC.

Y'know, every so often, I see a certain few persons BAWWWing about how Amano art is canon, and because they used a certain picture of Cloud and Aerith on the OST, that means C/A is teh canonz.

Now, I'd like to illustrate why this is batguano, with a history lesson. Let us hearken unto the 1980s, when FFIII was made. Yoshitaka Amano, after drawing art for FFI and II, drew a tall, manly, white haired heroic figure wielding two swords. Come the release of FFIII. No character who resembles this hero can be found in FF3. Instead, four facelesspreteens, the Onion knights, are there.
No NPC resembles this figure either.
But guess who is still on the Box art and cart?

http://www.siliconera.com/2006/07/04/final-fantasy-iii-box-art/

KerYEP. This figure is also presented in the 'Dawn, worlds of Final Fantasy' Amano artbook. Still has zero relevance to the game.
So does Guy's Dart Gun from the art which never appeared in game.
(Please excuse the fact that the NES cart was modded into a camera.)

Also, folks participating in this thread, if you have complaints or responses to comments, it would be much more practical to air them here instead of elsewhere. Y'know, with Ze people who you have grievances with?

Addendum: And lest I forget, this uncharacter is the image in the FFIII Remake logo. Still lacking any relevance to the game.
Yep, S-E sure would never use Amano art that wasn't relevant to the story, nope nope nope.

 

[A]

Before I reply falsely to Raquelborn's question, does the order of the "what do you cherish most?" line change in ACC? I cba to remember.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Spoiler

Yes. It does. Zack is now seen last, leading into his talk with Cloud. But still, the point isn't the 'what do you cherish most, so much as it is the threat to 'let me take it away' that prompts the flashes.

 

[Vendel]

That's because my sig is epically awesome.

















and accurate.

The middle of the day? How scandalous!

 

[null.]

Yep, S-E sure would never use Amano art that wasn't relevant to the story, nope nope nope.

Spoiler

 

[I Am Not Me]

Who...? Seph and Aerith? @spoiler

 

[Vendel]

Who...? Seph and Aerith? @spoiler

CANON!

 

[I Am Not Me]

CANON!

THE SWORD GOING INTO AERITH'S BODY MAKES PERFECT SENSE NOW. SEXUAL SYMBORISM!!!!

Oh those perverted Japanese

 

[null.]

Supposedly in the early drafts of FF7, Aerith had an unrequited crush on Sephiroth.

 

[Channy]

In fanfics I've read, the AerSeph pairing makes a lot of sense.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

This website is also lacking in some valid and more up-to-date arguments on both sides: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Final_Fantasy_VII:_Romantic_Arguments

Because no one on the Wiki, including myself, cares enough about that page to update it. Edit histories speak for themselves. More than a few users look upon the LT debate with disdain and disgust, so no one really cares. The humorous version of that page is far more enjoyable.

 

[Ryushikaze]

It's also going about the matter in entirely the wrong way. It'streating it like an awkward scoreboard thing, instead of examining the narrative with a narrative and SoD filter to see what the thematic elements, character statements and action etc. tell us overall.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

It's also going about the matter in entirely the wrong way. It'streating it like an awkward scoreboard thing, instead of examining the narrative with a narrative and SoD filter to see what the thematic elements, character statements and action etc. tell us overall.

See previous reponse - nobody at the Wiki cares

 

[null.]

So what? At some point someone thought that lame, political "talking points" format was a grand idea. It deserves to be Ryushikazed.