The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Eerie]

I'm saying Cloud and Tifa Aerith were never childhood friends really met. If Cloud and Tifa Aerith were intended as a couple why weren't they friends did they never meet? Why did Tifa Cloud ignore Cloud called Aerith a drunkard and nearly beat her up? Soulmates are suppossed to have an instant connection, why didn't they? Tifa Aerith didn't care until she was 13 know the real Cloud so I see nothing signifaganticant right away. On the contrary Cloud Tifa and Aerith talked right away is the one who knows best Cloud, protected her they planned to go on a date and he wishes to be her knight in shining armour, their stars were perfect for each other they've always loved each other, so isn't the universe signifying they should be together?

Fixed [although I'm sure I'm being damn outposted, but my modem has troubles, so bear with me ]

Because i'm a fangirl xD And Cloud has two beautiful women to pick from but he hasn't yet...9_9

I'm pretty sure he picked Tifa from when he was a kid and that never changed though.

 

[Raquelborn]

Why no one paid attention to what lunar wrote?

[if I could make even more shiny, I swear I would]

There's a BED/COT/WHATHEFUCKYOUWANTTOSLEEPIN yet, it's referred as "OFFICE". Meaning: he does not sleep here.

I paid attention I think I even said thanks because I couldn't remember where the room had been referred to as his office so it clarified things.

Question: if he does not sleep in his office, then, why is there a bed in there [a quite unused one, if you compare it to the ones in the kids' bedroom]?

One plausible explanation is that he often comes home late from deliveries he makes cross-country and so he sleeps in it in order to not wake Tifa up. But this only makes sense if we know Tifa and Cloud share a bed, which is under discission. Otherwise it could easily be the bed he always sleeps in. Afterall there is a tire in the office too and Tifa says he's been doing up his bike so his personal belongings (bike modifications) are in this room like you'd expect there to be in a bedroom.

And the bed doesn't look that unused to me, just made and less pretty than the children's.

Can't we use god damn logic, because no way in hell Tifa's pulling an Edward on us, k thx.

Agreed! I just think that she walked in, said "do you love me", they have the conversation, she then walks off. That was the impression I've got both times I've read the CoT and so I'm not convinved they share the same bed, it's a new notion to me.

Wait, are people suggesting Cloud has two rooms, a bedroom and an office? Then why does he need a cot in his office?

The phrases "Tifa thought" or "Tifa felt," etc, are not required for a third person limited subjective narration.

Basically we're discussing whether Cloud sleeps in the same bed as Tifa or not. The alternative is that he either sleeps in the same room, but just not in the same bed, or that he sleeps in his own room altogether which is likely to be his office because it contains a bed.

Ah okay, thanks for pointing that out. The point I was making was that it isn't Tifa's thought's however and that it seems to be a straightforward statement to give you insight into the fact that Cloud simply wasn't going to reply.

So, I'm not quite sure I understand you and Drake here. You two are arguing that because "room" isn't specified to be Cloud's office or bedroom, it COULD be referring to his bedroom. But answer this, IF Cloud has his own bedroom, why would he need a cot in his office? So he has two rooms?

Oh I see why people are becoming confused. Essentially, because the room isn't specified and it is most likely to be referring to Cloud's own room (as it is translated all over the internet) this contradicts the notion that Cloud and Tifa share a bed or even a room together as he seems to have his own. This 'room' is probably the office because it has a bed in it and we know it's Cloud's office as said in the text (quoted earlier). It isn't unheard of for a room to serve two purposes eg. both a bedroom and an office.

Or do you believe this "room" is BOTH Cloud's office and bedroom. B/c if you do, it's absurd for you to even argue with people who are saying that Tifa is referring to his office, because duh, it IS his office. The only contention here is whether the "room" is just an office with a cot or an office AND a bedroom. So technically, for those who assert that this "room" is a bedroom, you need to cite at least one quote where it s referred as such--because this "room" is only ever referred to as an office. Otherwise, yes, it's a possibility, but there'shardly as much proof for the room being a bedroom than there are for it being an office.

And there's even less proof that Cloud and Tifa share a bed or even a room together. The only quote from the text that suggests this is only suggestive because it fails to tell us of any movement of her going into or out of a separate room in which he sleeps, but at the same time it fails to tell us whether she simply rolled over in bed. Therefore you can't conlcude they share a bed from the text alone. The movie itself however shows us that he has a bed in his office so as I said before, as a room can serve two purposes and still be referred to as someone's own room (we know Tifa consider's it his to be his own office for a start afterall) this is likely to be the room she wants him to go to and also the one he sleeps in. The tires for his bike are also a clue that it could be his bedroom also.

Guy's isn't this the who Cloud is desitned for thread not the "who's room Cloud sleeps in room"?

Well it's more a "who does Cloud love" thread. The reason whose bed he sleeps in has come up is because if he does share a bed with Tifa then it further supports the notion they are a couple. But there just isn't enough evidence for us to know that for sure.

Well, I might as well put my two bits in..well to start Marlene is said to sleep in Tifa's room right? Then even if Cloud and Tifa did sleep in the same room, I doubt they would be fucking while she was in there. But in VII, before AVALANCHE goes on their next mission Tifa asks how Cloud slept and either he responds something like "next to you great" or "Barret's snoring kept me up", so I think that is suggesting he was by her or Barret or both for that matter. Whatever, I don't think if or if not it is confirmed Cloud and Tifa share a bed would mean much.

Yeah, it sounds like they shared a room in Midgar. Wouldn't be hard to believe if they still do. But sharing a bed? We can't tell.

Back to the real supposed topic of this, I still believe Cloud and Aerith were destined for each other because of the spiritual connection. I doubt you could have a spiritual connection with someone that isn't your soulmate, really.

Could you outline and describe your idea of a spiritual connection so that we can better understand what you mean?

 

[KissTheRain]

Squall and Rinoa are no longer meant for each other, I suppose

Lol, personally I don't like them but I guess they are soulmates. But I meant really not the mean part but the part of waiting for someone to love you back. Rinoa seemed to have a crush in the beginning and then they both got to know each other and did things for each other before they were in love, imo. Cloud liked Tifa for so long before she even gave him the time of day, and even now Tifa loves Cloud but he hasn't confirmed shit, so it's just more waiting.

Could you outline and describe your idea of a spiritual connection so that we can better understand what you mean?

Spirtual connection to me is the fact that Nomura said that Aerith lives on inside of Cloud. Their spirits are connected in that way, it's why Cloud can talk to her it seems in AC.

 

[Dashell]

I wanna hear more about these orgies between Cloud, Sephiroth, Aerith and Zack. And I think I see why Clerith fans don't show up here much... geeze you guys are harsh. She made some good points. I can honestly see where both sides come from, but... well Aerith is dead so =P

 

[Isabella]

Just for the record, Cloud himself says it was HIS fault he and Tifa weren't close as children. She didn't ignore him or ostracize him. She simply wasn't aware he wanted to be near her. If your childhood neighbor had a crush on you and never made you aware of it, should we accuse YOU of being stuck-up?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Cloud hasn't confirmed any love for Tifa....?

If you're gonna say that, then I DEFINITELY have to hear where Cloud confirms any love for Aerith. You've just opened a huge ass can of "Contradiction Worms: 2 Servings."

And no Quexinos, she did not make good points. What are you talking about? We're simply asking her to back up her assertion of this love and spiritual romantic connection with facts. Especially now that apparently no confirmation of love from Cloud counts towards Tifa, but does towards Aerith. Seriously. If it's so obvious, there should be some facts that exist to bolster this opinion.

 

[crack]

That's the way we roll here Quexinos. Toughen or GTFO

NEKKID CLACK PLZ

 

[A]

Lol, personally I don't like them but I guess they are soulmates. But I meant really not the mean part but the part of waiting for someone to love you back. Rinoa seemed to have a crush in the beginning and then they both got to know each other and did things for each other before they were in love, imo. Cloud liked Tifa for so long before she even gave him the time of day, and even now Tifa loves Cloud but he hasn't confirmed shit, so it's just more waiting.

So DoC's guide stating that Cloud and Tifa revealing their mutual feelings doesn't mean shit I guess.

NEKKID CLACK PLZ

STFU

Spirtual connection to me is the fact that Nomura said that Aerith lives on inside of Cloud. Their spirits are connected in that way, it's why Cloud can talk to her it seems in AC.

It doesn't say that Cloud lives on inside of Aerith. You can interpret that any way, but there's no real confirmation that their souls are connected. What you also used was that Aerith and Cloud could see each other even through Aerith's death, but the same goes for Zack.

 

[Frostwave]

I wanna hear more about these orgies between Cloud, Sephiroth, Aerith and Zack.

Don't forget moogle girl! Aerith whispered sweet nothings("Cloud will be here any minute, sweetie.")into her ear from beyond the grave. It's proof of a smexy spiritual connetion.

 

[A]

In the end of Final Fantasy VII, the whole gang can see Aerith. Does that count?

 

[Makoeyes987]

STFU, and post actual debate, please. Seriously.

 

[crack]

It's kind of hard debating with someone when they don't actually bring up anything worthy to debate about.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

I mean an ingredient of soulmates is always being nice and kind to each other

lolwat? that's unhealthy. Whoever said this has a lot to learn about relationships.

Also, I'm sure I'm uberlate on this, but this debate is mentioned on ED on the Clerith page.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Guy's isn't this the who Cloud is desitned for thread not the "who's room Cloud sleeps in room"?

Did you miss Hitobito saying you shouldn't take his 'destiny' nonsense too literally?

Well, I might as well put my two bits in..well to start Marlene is said to sleep in Tifa's room right? Then even if Cloud and Tifa did sleep in the same room, I doubt they would be fucking while she was in there. But in VII, before AVALANCHE goes on their next mission Tifa asks how Cloud slept and either he responds something like "next to you great" or "Barret's snoring kept me up", so I think that is suggesting he was by her or Barret or both for that matter. Whatever, I don't think if or if not it is confirmed Cloud and Tifa share a bed would mean much.

Back to the real supposed topic of this, I still believe Cloud and Aerith were destined for each other because of the spiritual connection. I doubt you could have a spiritual connection with someone that isn't your soulmate, really.

Spiritual connection, you say? Like letting her walk around inside his deepest darkest subconscious, opening his heart only to her, his heart calling out to her?

Because all that applies to Tifa, not Aerith.

Aerith can talk to Cloud while she is dead and he is alive. I find that quite spirtual. I guess not with Zack he has one too, so pick Clerith or Clack for destiny one has to work T_T

And she can talk to Marlene, Denzel, Moogle Girl, Kadaj, Tifa, etc. too.

Well yeah, but I mean everyone in AVALANCHE can be counted as sharing a room seeing the slept in hotels together. And even if Cloud and Tifa share a room, doesn't mean they share a bed it could be just like marlene and denzels room. And btw why did Tifa go into Cloud's room and than leave after she asked if he loved her why didn't she just go to bed.

She didn't 'go into' or 'leave' at all. No such lines exist in the narrative.

Idk, whatever I don't care so much whatever the fuck is confirmed I'll still like all of them in a way.

That's perfectly fine, but irrelevant.

Of course, I mean that it's obvious Cloud is gay. I'm saying it's my opinion that Cloud and Aerith have a spritual connection okay? I think that it is romantic not saying you have to agree. It appeals more as destiny rather than faux childhood friends.

But those 'faux childhood friends' as you call them have a promise sealed by a falling star, a romantic interest remaining despite seven years apart, their own spiritual connection, and move in together.

Yes, yes in real life but I think a fake couple should be made to always love each other because then it is more fairy tale like because this is final FANTASY.

Cloud and Tifa always do love each other. Nothing based on false pretenses at all. She even supports the mentally weak side of Cloud.
Put another way, Princess Bride.

'To Blave...'

Aerith wasn't a retarded slut like you make her out to be.

And no one was ever making her out to be either.

She said they were different and it was true. Cloud was cold and angsty, while Zack was happy and cheerful. Now why does she say she loves Cloud, when she could have Zack now?

She said she realized they were different, but not that she always realized they were different. The CC Ultimania says she falls for Cloud because of her feelings for Zack.

Really Cloud is single for all we know all we can do is assumine.

An interpretation which does not jive with the totality of the evidence and some rather blatant symbolism/ mirrorings dealing with Denzel's parents.

Haha, so you think i'm a crazy Clerith fan that thinks Tifa strong armed Cloud into the promise so you have to say Aerith strong armed Cloud into the date. That's bs. Aerith asked Cloud agreed.

Actually, he neither agreed nor disagreed to the date, unless the hand waving in front of nose thing can be taken as a 'head shaking' to the offer. He just engaged the turks instead.

I also think Cloud agreed on the promise. So neither girl stronged armed Cloud, and idk where you get the idea that Cloud was strong armed into the date.

Well, him being physically pushed into 3 of 4 dates sort of makes it seem like he's not exactly raring to go.

Clerith is the default date to start, and I said they planned a date not that they actualy went on it.

And yet you can in normal course of play, before Aerith even comes into the equation, eclipse Aerith's starting affection value for Cloud.
And "clerith" isn't a character.

Idk, if your being sarcastic or not, but yes Tifa was a bitch to Cloud she isn't now. I mean an ingredient of soulmates is always being nice and kind to each other and Tifa wasn't. She blew her chance why should she get to try now. If she wouldnt' have picked Cloud when they were kids yes I would 100% believe that they were soulmates but since she didn't it is hard to believe now they should happen.

Didn't pick him? Despite being interested in him, thinking he was cute, letting him into the group when he could bring himself to stop trying to beat up the neighborhood kids, coming out to a recognized date spot upon his asking, asking him to make a promise with him? THAT'S being a bitch to him?

Love shouldn't have to wait to be reciprocated.

It didn't. It just had to wait for them to come out and say it.
Also, that totally kills your C/A idea, since her attraction to Cloud was initially based on her feelings for another, and he was completely oblivious to her advances.

Also, Nomura actually just said 'the dead live in in the consciousness of the living' if you listen to his actual words, and Noj clarified with several fillial examples.

And again, why should we take as literal what has a common figurative meaning?
Also, I still fail to see how 'hearts calling out to each other' and 'opened his heart only to her' isn't spiritual, and telling her how he's starting his new life, and how it will succeed because she's by his side this time, and that it's different from how she's 'always been by his side'.

And they're replacement parents for a kid they both view as theirs, who came to their home.

How has he NOT made a choice, really?

 

[Isabella]

Spirtual connection to me is the fact that Nomura said that Aerith lives on inside of Cloud. Their spirits are connected in that way, it's why Cloud can talk to her it seems in AC.

The idea that the dead live on in the living is hardly a novel concept.

In all seriousness, why does this make their connection romantic, when Zack (and possibly even Sephiroth) have the same connection?

 

[Dashell]

And no Quexinos, she did not make good points.

IMO, Cloud and Aerith planning a date is good point.
As well as their stars being aligned or whatever.

 

[Makoeyes987]

It's kind of hard debating with someone when they don't actually bring up anything worthy to debate about.

BURNED

Seriously, when you enter this thread you sign the unwritten contract that you can be arsed to dissect your opponents argument and stay on topic so this thread can be easily navigated without having to wade through lulz posts of CLACK, Reptar, and other inane dribble. Please, for the sake of the children, keep that shit to a minimum when we have an actual discussion/debate going on. It's irritating.

@Quexinos

Not when the date isn't even based on Cloud's real personality or the outing contains literally fuck all anything akin to romance. Not even hand holding.

 

[Dashell]

Please, for the sake of the children, keep that shit to a minimum when we have an actual discussion/debate going on.

Oh yeah the starving children in Africa are crying. This is the thing that sets them off. Not the fact that they have no food, water, parents or love... THIS is what does it XD

Anyway, backing out here, this topic moves way too fast and I really have nothing to contribute, but I want you all to know one last time that I am pro Cloti and I agree with pretty much everything Cloti in this thread.

 

[A]

IMO, Cloud and Aerith planning a date is good point.
As well as their stars being aligned or whatever.

It's such a rushed agreement, Cloud had hardly time to even think about it because of Shinra's guys. And it's an optional date anyways, so it really doesn't mean anything.
And their stars being aligned? Stated by a robot who works under Shinra.

 

[Death Sin]

I don't think the problem isn't people bringing their opinions/interpretations to the table, but actually backing them up with evidence (games, film, novellas, ultimanias, etc). Because, and not trying to sound rude here but quoting a good friend of mine "opinions are like asses... everyone has one."

KisstheRain's claims" might have merit, imagination and even sound incredibly romantic (and I'm not being patronizing here, mind you. I *do* respect your claims and find them quite beautiful) but, as far as we have been shown and facts impliy, all the evidence goes to contradict/deny pretty much what you claim to be truth. You can believe in what you want, sure, no one is saying otherwise, but if you want to pass it as fact, then you need to back it up with evidence... which hasn't been done until now. In fact, the compilation pretty much points in a complete opposite direction of what you seem to believe and claim as the truth.

Sorry to say it but that's just how it is. Trying to point out that CloudxTifa isn't official at this point and believe that CloudxAerith is demands a lot (and I do mean a lot) more interpretation, suppositions and effort than otherwise. Clues and facts are scratched all over the compilation for people to see them... You *might* not like it or you *might* even don't agree with the pairing but trying to dismiss it as I've seen some so called fans trying to do it just screams like "denial" and, IMO, that's not what a true FF7 fan should do. Agree or not, if you must, but respect the outcome, none of the less.

And, as many others have pointed out (with countless amount of factual proof), the outcome is pretty much obvious. Heck, if you ask me, it always was but, hey, it was never as bluntly visible as it is right now.

 

[Isabella]

IMO, Cloud and Aerith planning a date is good point.
As well as their stars being aligned or whatever.

Hmmm ... sounds like a setup to a plot twist.

 

[Dashell]

So now we doubt Cait Sith?...

wait never mind, I see your point.

 

[crack]

In all seriousness, why does this make their connection romantic, when Zack (and possibly even Sephiroth) have the same connection?

Because Cloud would be gay if we counted Sephiroth and Zack.

 

[Vendel]

Not at all. It's most likely she walked in when she wanted to say something, that's how I interpreted the scene when I read it: Tifa wonders up to Cloud's bed because she has something on her mind, she accidentally wakes him up, they talk and then she waits a bit for an answer she doesn't get and walks back out of his room. Afterall she wonders into the Denzel and Marlene's bedroom when they're asleep to kiss them goodnight, it doesn't make her a stalking peadophile to do that.

Except it points out that she hears him sleeping. She did not 'walk in' to ask him a question. She was there listening to him sleep then asked him a question. And had to cover for it when he woke up.

"After making certain that Cloud was asleep, she spoke to him."

Also Cloud goes back to sleep and she continues to talk to him. He doesn't answer her.
That is a vastly different scenario than you imagined it as.

Cloud and Tifa always do love each other. Nothing based on false pretenses at all. She even supports the mentally weak side of Cloud.
Put another way, Princess Bride.

'To Blave...'

You win the 'post of the minute' award.




Also after all these pages NO ONE HAS COMPLIMENTED MY ART! I spent many grueling hours making my presentation perfect. And the most you people can do is make twilight jokes?

 

[Fighter]

Spirtual connection to me is the fact that Nomura said that Aerith lives on inside of Cloud. Their spirits are connected in that way, it's why Cloud can talk to her it seems in AC.

"Two years after returning to the planet, Aerith still lives on in the hearts of her friends who saved the planet." ~ Ultimania

She lives on in everyone, not just Cloud.