The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Channy]

A WILD ZACK APPEARS.

THE ENEMY SEPHIROTH SKEWERED CLOUD. YOUR CLOUD FAINTED.

THE WILD ZACK FLED

 

[Ⓐaron]

Incidentally, I changed "Love Triangle" in the title to "Love Polygon" for greater accuracy and justice.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

It's amusing how even the Mods don't take this thread seriously anymore. I think we have Mako's "monkeyshines" to thank for that.

Let me end the LT debate, for real - Advent Children. Also known as AC. OMG, AerithxCloud, it's so OBVIOUS PEOPLEZ!!!!!!

 

[paoo]

CLERITH FTW!!!!!!!!!11 <3

 

[Frostwave]

Booyaka. Close thrad pl0x.

 

[Dashell]

It's amusing how even the Mods don't take this thread seriously anymore. I think we have Mako's "monkeyshines" to thank for that.

Let me end the LT debate, for real

I attempted to do this in the Sims the other day. I made a family in Sims 2 that consisted of Cloud, Tifa and Aerith. I moved them into a lot with no doors or way to escape and set it so Cloud loved them both and they each loved Cloud. So I waited to see who he went to first, but true to the LTD, he didn't do any romantic interactions with either of them. Though there was a lot of "friendly" hugging (especially between Tifa and Aerith which was odd)

After waiting for Cloud to pick someone for a while I noticed he had a fear that was "death of Aerith" (which I thought was kinda funny BTW) so I had Aerith suffer death by hail. Then Cloud went crazy and acted like a monkey for a while and was left alone with Tifa...

I guess I didn't solve any-.. wait maybe I did...maybe I did...

 

[paoo]

That was really.... serious.

Spoiler

Clerith is ftw, get over it Clotizzz!!!1

 

[Celes Chere]

It's amusing how even the Mods don't take this thread seriously anymore.

Well, it's hard.

I asked for proofz from Clerithbito and I got squat.

 

[Dashell]

Does anyone want the video of my research BTW? Or at least the monkey Cloud one.

 

[Vendel]

It's amusing how even the Mods don't take this thread seriously anymore.

Because there is no love triangle. It ended about the time Sephy kilt Aerith. Or maybe in the lifestream event.

It doesn't help that one sides argument is about 95% bullshit.

 

[Frostwave]

@Quex
Why not? Link it, girlie.

 

[Dashell]

Apparently I also have a video of Cloud giving Seph a BJ in the show while Tifa watches... and Cloud screwing... Cloud

@Quex
Why not? Link it, girlie.

okay hang on, the file is bigger than I expected.

 

[Celes Chere]

Sephy kilt

Unwanted images.

 

[Dashell]

Okay so it was like 10 minutes long but nothing happened til the end so I took off like 7 minutes. Now you get about 1 minute of just the three hanging out, hugging and congratulating each other then Aerith suddenly dies from hail and the fun begins.

http://www.killthemongoose.com/stuff/ltdexperimentd.zip

I love Tifa looking out the window in the end like, "Damn I wish I could get out there"

 

[Ryushikaze]

You could say the same for Clerith. I've seen some see it as Clerith, and same with Cloti. Depends on how you saw the game. And obviously, atm VII has no official couple or there wouldn't be this debate. Obviously, people saw an obvious pairing for most FF games, when VII there has been a 12 year debate.

There was an 8 year debate about R=U before it died. There is still a 'debate' about FF12's pairing.
People still argue regarding the relationship of Edge and Rydia from IV, over 17 years later.

Honestly, i don't think it will ever end, nor will either be proven official canon. Both Clerith and Cloti are canon in some form so even if it was confirmed nothing would work. The creator have dug waaay to far of a hole.

Hardly. With the narrative AS IS, C/T has more than a strong enough case. They have demonstrated more as a couple and progressed further in their relationship than any FF main pairing save FFIV, who they have distinct and marked similarities to.

wut?

Ask Angelalex about it. I shall have no hand in further mind bendings.

I never took it as a romantic scene rly. He's too late to save her and his own sickness causes him to pass out. And then they're both just passed out lying there. I'm half tempted to post a sarcastic remark about other non-romantic moments but I shall withhold myself.

It's not directly romantic, but the points of the scene are A: Cloud has failed Tifa, causing a flare up, and one in which he slightly cries and B: Cloud and Tifa are in this together. Even as Cloud has been lonewolfing it up, he's been doing it inexorably linked to and for Tifa and his family.

Ahh, but what is reality is the fact that neither creator/producer/director or any other person on the FFVII team has flat out said "Cloud belong with Tifa. They marry in FFVII-4 and have spiky haired babies together."

And by that logic no FF couple is canon save Cec/Ro. Not even Wakka and Lulu. It could be Auron's spirit baby, after all.

If you're going to go down the "creator says" path, you've got the creator's specifically calling Tifa a "girlfriend/lover" within the narrative of AC. So again, that doesn't really hold any weight either.

Want to try again? People bitch about how "inconclusive" the LT is when the fucking writing is on the white wall in blood. Bright red blood.

And do you know how often that stuff needs to be reapplied? BLOOD GOES BLACK QUICKLY FOLKS.

I don't know. Did he say that?

Yes, he did. P80, if I am not mistaken, of the Reunion Files.

Did they actually share mutual feelings? I was told the word mutual was not in the sentence. And I am asking for clarification, not to argue.

IIRC, and I cba to check, if not 'mutual', then 'the two of them' would be closest.

It's amusing how even the Mods don't take this thread seriously anymore. I think we have Mako's "monkeyshines" to thank for that.

MAKO'S? GOOD SIR I AM INSULTED!

Let me end the LT debate, for real - Advent Children. Also known as AC. OMG, AerithxCloud, it's so OBVIOUS PEOPLEZ!!!!!!

Before Crisis= Baret/Cloud? Crisis Core = CloudxCloud? Dirge of Cerberus = DenzelxCloud? Ewwww....
And let's not even touch what that naming scheme reveals when we dip into the novellas...

 

[Dashell]

If you're going to go down the "creator says" path, you've got the creator's specifically calling Tifa a "girlfriend/lover" within the narrative of AC. So again, that doesn't really hold any weight either.

Is this the koibito thing? Didn't Aerith also refer to Cloud as her koibito?

 

[Makoeyes987]

So Aerith referring to Cloud as her koibito, is the same thing as the creator's saying Tifa is the koibito to Cloud?

 

[Dashell]

Uhm... (read this whole thing before you reply) that's a weak argument because the creators wrote Case of Lifestream, did they not? (or at least had a huge hand in it, right?)

A better argument would have been, since it was Aerith referring to Cloud as her koibito it only shows that she loves him romantically. It doesn't prove that Cloud loves her in that way. But thank you for not saying, "It meant beloved in Aerith's case." because I would have had a conniption then.

 

[Vendel]

Uhm... (read this whole thing before you reply) that's a weak argument because the creators wrote Case of Lifestream, did they not? (or at least had a huge hand in it, right?)

A better argument would have been, since it was Aerith referring to Cloud as her koibito it only shows that she loves him romantically. It doesn't prove that Cloud loves her in that way. But thank you for not saying, "It meant beloved in Aerith's case." because I would have had a conniption then.

Let me just quote hito from PAGE 6 of this thread

Then, of course, koi--bito (Though in the Reunion Files and not the Ultimania.) I've asked several people, Japanese people who I asked in Japanese and they answered in Japanese, about this word and its usage and have never heard this 'one-sided' thing that gets tossed around. It's basically, if you hear this, people are going to assume that it's mutual and that there's two people involved there (since the word itself is talking about the object of affection, not the person doting the affection). And for Tifa, the only one who really makes any sense is Cloud.

Not to say that's always the case, since emotions are a subjective thing. You can think to yourself, &quot;hey, Billy's my koibito&quot; while Billy might be all &quot;woah, back off woman&quot;. However, we aren't talking about what Tifa thinks herself. Because this was Nomura, talking about a fictional character in the third person.

 

[Dashell]

But in that case, if Aerith referred to Cloud as her koibito in CoL, and it's never one sided wouldn't that mean...

...

actually I'm not gonna go there. I feel dirty. Please do not reply to this post.

 

[Vendel]

But in that case, if Aerith referred to Cloud as her koibito in CoL,.

The point is that Tifa was described as a koibito by the creators. Aerith thinks of Cloud as a koibito.

The meaning of the word hasn't changed. Only the context. One is word of God. The other is character opinion. Which can be flawed.





So this is now the SBNLPFCD thread?

 

[Dashell]

Okay, I see what you're saying. It's possible for someone to think someone is their koibito when the other person doesn't think that, but if it's stated by the creators, that's different. I was wondering for a moment why you threw evidence in my face that disproved your argument. It's not the greatest Cloti evidence in all the debate but it gets the job done.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Lifestream White is written in restrictive third person, which is only what Aerith knows and feels.

The other is definitive statement regarding the work/character as a whole outside the universe of the story. It's not the same meaning or context.

 

[Vendel]

It's not the greatest Cloti evidence in all the debate but it gets the job done.

Oh I don't know. Tifa being called someones lover/girlfriend by the creators is pretty damn strong IMO.

 

[Dashell]

heh you replied at the same time, I get it now. Thanks

Oh I don't know. Tifa being called someones lover/girlfriend by the creators is pretty damn strong IMO.

Right but the Cleriths will just throw the Case of Lifestream at you then because it uses the same word.