The First Epic LTD of TLS forums
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Alessa Gillespie
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Channy
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Honest ones, Channy~~~
I've just never really liked her character all throughout the compilation.
Yes yes, I know she was drawn by horny Japanese men, but is her outfit really anything she should be wearing to save the world? Granted Aerith's isn't much better, but she was just the slum
And her CC/Nibelheim outfit... Again, yes horny Japanese businessmen drawing a loli I see the point here but still... Is that any way to dress as a teenage girl? And I hear the argument that she dresses that way to try and impress Cloud. Does that mean it's okay for young teenage girls to dress like stylish sluts to impress a guy? That sets a very bad message.
I find her personality completely unrelatable. She's been crushing/loving this guy for what... 5 years now? Maybe longer if we delve into childhood and can call that early stage puppy love. And yet she could never once muster the strength to try and come forward to him about her feelings until AFTER her competition is sliced and diced.
And if we go about the Highwind Scene, she FINALLY comes forward about her feelings. I thought "Yes, maybe she's finally going to be more human this time around." But then given information about the Chocobo Stable almost-scene I think.... Wow, what sort of message does THAT convey?
There's this love triangle thing going on, and Cloud's a grieving guy. Then Tifa, who feels relieved that her competition is gone, takes advantage of poor Cloud because people who are upset/depressed are more/usually easily swayed into sex. I have many negative thoughts revolving around this, but none that will come out more coherent enough (not at this hour anyway) other than Tifa's having sex with a guy to try take his mind off shit that's troubling him. While this is realistic and happens irl... again... bad message.
lesigh... tl;dr I think Tifa's a slut with nothing but bad messages that convey her personality.
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Which is why I don't think they had sex under the highwind.
As for Shishi, I am Cloti, so I don't think I signed up to troll. But I do remember that I got a "welcome to Cloti" message when I signed up, checked out the board and didn't really find it that active... but a couple months later I got another "Welcome to Cloti" message so I came back and wrote that "hi" message.
Besides you Cloti's don't need me there. You guys got enough going for you all ready. I'd just be a burden.
note to self:
get new troll name.
Channy
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Well see with me I've got this double standard against Tifa, I'll openly admit this. If they don't have sex under the Highwind, it's at least the ONE TIME where they have a moment to really divulge about their feelings... but instead we just get a "Words aren't the only way to tell someone how you're feeling" or whatever. Cloti's could have been given more regarding the 'proof' of this scene. It's still just open ended afaic since well, words nor actions were done to show how they're feeling.
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I'm not saying they didn't get a little close, but... they're both such shy people so sex doesn't seem likely. I mean Cloti's say Aerith couldn't love Cloud cause she didn't know him... well Tifa barely knew him as well. He JUST found himself. It was like they just met so I find it hard to believe that these two shy people who just met, and have a hard time sharing their feelings... had sex in an open field.
If they did.. it doesn't prove Cloti, it, as you said, proves Tifa's a slut
If they did.. it doesn't prove Cloti, it, as you said, proves Tifa's a slut
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Aerith perceived Cloud as her koibito. She was mistaken in doing so.
That's pretty much it.
Channy
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Ahh, but what Cloti's will argue is that Tifa knew Cloud inside and out, old Cloud, new Cloud and old new Cloud. I've seen it done. I've seen it done here actually.
This is exactly my point. Despite the fact that they knew each other as kids, does it really give you credibility to sleep with a guy after reuniting with him after two weeks, even if you had a crush on him when you were young? And Tifa wasn't even really the one crushing, Cloud was the one crushing on Tifa in the past.
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They didn't know each other as kids. If I ever see Clotis make a mistake it's this. She and Cloud were NOT friends as children. Tifa payed no attention to him, but Cloud did have a crush on her (I mean it's freaking Tifa, who wouldn't?) Tifa became curious about him when he left but she knew nothing about him.
So two people who know nothing about each other, who have a hard time sharing feelings for each other... had sex in the middle of a field ... it doesn't work for me, sorry.
Also Clotis on the cloti board:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/cloti/index.php?showtopic=658&st=0&#entry985760
So two people who know nothing about each other, who have a hard time sharing feelings for each other... had sex in the middle of a field ... it doesn't work for me, sorry.
Which is what I... thought, I just wanted to make sure I got it right.
Also Clotis on the cloti board:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/cloti/index.php?showtopic=658&st=0&#entry985760
Except she didn't know he was there and she still knew nothing about him.
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How do you conclude that they "know nothing about each other"? It's an absurdly common trope in fiction that times of crisis enable people to get to know each other much more quickly than they would under normal circumstances, and FFVII's plot is pretty much nothing if not a series of constant crisis. I don't even really see any real-world psychological evidence to contradict that trope. If I were going through a crisis I'm pretty sure my worst personality traits would be on full display, and I can't say I know anyone for whom I wouldn't expect that to apply.
She knew he
wasn't in SOLDIER
Channy
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The argument behind the "knowing" each other in the past lies in their Promise.
I won't deny their promise is romantic. But as Quex said, they just don't know each other. Tifa wanted a guy to come and save her whenever she was in trouble, and who would be a better flunky than the kid who had the big huge crush on her and stalked her? OF COURSE he'd come around and try to save her.
But Quex is def feeling me here in that they essentially know nothing about each other.
Aaron: Taking advantage of is the wrong term to use I'll admit, but I can't think of anything better at this hour. To me it just seemed like she's sleeping with a grieving guy. Taking advantage? I kinda think so.
I won't deny their promise is romantic. But as Quex said, they just don't know each other. Tifa wanted a guy to come and save her whenever she was in trouble, and who would be a better flunky than the kid who had the big huge crush on her and stalked her? OF COURSE he'd come around and try to save her.
But Quex is def feeling me here in that they essentially know nothing about each other.
Aaron: Taking advantage of is the wrong term to use I'll admit, but I can't think of anything better at this hour. To me it just seemed like she's sleeping with a grieving guy. Taking advantage? I kinda think so.
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She's sleeping with a grieving guy who's wanted to sleep with her since his fucking childhood. If there's a better way to help a guy get over his grief I don't know what it would be.
And I've already pointed out they clearly do know each other because the events they've been through together are the sort that make a person's full range of personality traits plainly evident, and pretty much all fiction I've ever encountered treats crises this way.
And I've already pointed out they clearly do know each other because the events they've been through together are the sort that make a person's full range of personality traits plainly evident, and pretty much all fiction I've ever encountered treats crises this way.
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She didn't know he was there until she got into Cloud's head and he remembered clearly. I remember her saying to Cloud at one point that Zack was there and not him, but she didn't know how he knew information that he shouldn't have known.
Because Cloud JUST found himself when they were in the lifestream together. After that, they woke up, and Cloud told everyone who he really was and ... it lead to their night under the Highwind. Okay maybe not know NOTHING about each other, but they didn't know that much IMO.
okay I'm what now?
Ⓐaron
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I presume she figured when he said that that he must have been there, and that she just hadn't encountered him. She also definitely seems to think her memory must have been faulty when Cloud contradicts her; I remember that much distinctly.
How did she not know that much? After discovering all the shit he went through solely for the sake of impressing her I think it would be pretty god damn obvious what kind of person he is.
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So you agree she is helping him get over grief by sleeping with him?
Sah-lut. Also I'm not quite getting what you mean there. Because Cloud isn't Cloud during Disk one, so pretty much everything is null and void there.. and Disk two has a time line of what... 2/3 weeks? Can you REALLY get to know someone THAT well enough to sleep with them in that amount of time? eh
Definitely feeling my opinions on this.
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He definitely grieves for Aerith. There's no indication that he grieves for her as a potential romantic interest (well, at least no evidence that Real Cloud grieves for her; maybe ZaCloud does).So you agree she is helping him get over grief by sleeping with him?
Given the experiences they've been through in that time period, and what they learn about each other from the Lifestream encounter, yes.
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But he wasn't Cloud until he found himself in the lifestream. Nothing before that really matters...
So you agree she is helping him get over grief by sleeping with him?
GOD DAMMIT! Don't make me laugh that loud when my BF Is asleep XD
okay... first of all, I don't know what Tifa was thinking about Cloud knowing stuff he didn't know. She was just very confused by it but she never thought that Cloud was there... I never got that impression anyway but it's been a while since I played. I remember her telling him that Cloud never came to Nibelheim and when Cloud took off his Shinra helmet she was liek "OMG YOU WERE THERE!"
Anway
Me: They didn't know each other well enough to have sex. You say Aerith didn't know him enough to love him, neither did Tifa in that case. He just found himself and she knew very little so it seems odd that they'd have sex so soon.
Aaron: But she did know him, she knew all this stuff about his childhood and what he went through to impress her.
Me: *repeat argument*
You: *repeat argument*
Me: *repeat argument*
You: *repeat argument*
Me: *repeat argument*
You: *repeat argument*
yeah I'm not gonna argue this sex thing anymore
I won't change your mind and you won't change mind so let's just agree to disagree.
Channy
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Yeah but when you're grieving over a loss, be it romantic or platonic, it still seems just very inappropriate of Tifa to do that.
It's more like what she learns about him in the Lifestream. She learns that he's the creepy little kid who's been unrequitedly stalking her endlessly with no notice from her... and just NOW she decides to do something about it? If anything it seems like pity sex now.
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@Quex: I'd agree to disagree except... Aerith didn't know Cloud at all. She knew maybe well enough to glimpse that ZaCloud wasn't the real Cloud, but that doesn't mean she has any idea of what the real Cloud is actually like. Meanwhile, Tifa has remembered Cloud's promise for several years and when she sees how important that promise was to him and how much he's gone through just for the sake of keeping it, it gives her a pretty damn huge idea of who he is. You really can't compare the two.
@Channy:
@Channy:
It's inappropriate of her to do that, despite the fact that it's what he's wanted her to do for several years?
Er no, it's more like she learns how much trouble he put himself through due to his affections for her, and how dedicated to her he's been ever since he's made that promise, and she realises that she loves him. It's definitely not pity sex.
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Are you guys saying that Tifa doesn't know Cloud?
If you're not, sorry. My brain is fuzzy. I'm not supposed to be awake right now.
If you're not, sorry. My brain is fuzzy. I'm not supposed to be awake right now.
Ⓐaron
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@Quexinos: No but the fact that the creators call the scene "risqué" and refer to an earlier version of the scene that clearly implied that they had sex and was "toned down" rather than completely rewritten pretty much does imply that the creators meant for them to have sex
Channy
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Fine, she knew him more than Aerith... It still doesn't prove they had sex
Nor does it give them nearly any more resolve to have sex.
In fact I'd safely say that if the roles were reversed and Aerith were in that situation, I'd still think it skanky of her to sleep with a guy so soon like that.
HOWEVER the difference between Tifa and Aerith is that Aerith has been a flirt right from the get go. So it wouldn't be completely out of character. Because of AC/C and CC pure portrayal of Aerith, people forget how frisky and flirty she was in VII.
However Tifa has been more the meek shy one holding onto feelings for Cloud and can't come forward about them.
Ergo, it seems more out of character for Tifa to sleep with Cloud than it would be for Aerith.
But it'd still be slutty of them both to do so.
Unless they had a threesome. Then it's okay.
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