The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Ⓐaron]

How is it out of character for her to sleep with a man she clearly loves on the night before she thinks the fucking world is going to be destroyed? That's a pretty god damn strong motivator to cause her to lose her shyness.

 

[Dashell]

@Quexinos: No but the fact that the creators call the scene "risqué" and refer to an earlier version of the scene that clearly implied that they had sex and was "toned down" rather than completely rewritten pretty much does imply that the creators meant for them to have sex

In an early version of the Sonic the Hedgehog episode "The Void" they were going to celebrate Sonic's birthday. Later on, that idea was eventually scraped, and the birthday idea dropped. So can we conclude that Sonic's birthday was somewhere around this time? No, we cannot, because the idea was scrapped.

Also FFVII was going to be just Cloud, Aerith and Barret ... so ... love triangle solved

Also

Kitase: The event of Highwind, before the decisive battle, is also made by Kato-san.

Nojima: Yeah, is that the scene with delicate dialogue? It's written by Kato-san, not me.

Q: "It is not only language that can express feeling" is quite adult in FF7.

The line was riske, not the whole scene. And can you honestly tell me that freaking everyone was gawking at them having sex? I mean come on... Nanaki seems to have more pride than that...

 

[Channy]

How is it out of character for her to sleep with a man she clearly loves on the night before she thinks the fucking world is going to be destroyed? That's a pretty god damn strong motivator to cause her to lose her shyness.

Because up until that point she's been pretty much behind Aerith in regards to portraying her feelings. Yeah she wants to try and help Cloud find himself but she did it in a quieter way without having to put her feelings on display 24/7.

In fact how is it NOT out of character for someone to be so shy and then suddenly want to jump a guy's bones? Despite the world ending, does she really have no other thoughts on her mind other than sex?

I repeat: sah-lut.

 

[Dashell]

Also in the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega, Nojima states in an interview that Don Corneo stepping out of the Honeybee Inn and shouting "This surely is fantastic!" can also be considered risque.... so that just shows you what the creators think is risque.

 

[Channy]

Also in the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega, Nojima states in an interview that Don Corneo stepping out of the Honeybee Inn and shouting "This surely is fantastic!" can also be considered risque.... so that just shows you what the creators think is risque.

FFVII is just riddled with sex. Sex sex sex everywhere. Never mind Tifa, the creators are the real sluts here.

 

[Ⓐaron]

In an early version of the Sonic the Hedgehog episode "The Void" they were going to celebrate Sonic's birthday. Later on, that idea was eventually scraped, and the birthday idea dropped. So can we conclude that Sonic's birthday was somewhere around this time? No, we cannot, because the idea was scrapped.

Also FFVII was going to be just Cloud, Aerith and Barret ... so ... love triangle solved

What? Your analogy doesn't work at all due to the fact that the creators explicitly said they "toned down" the scene rather than dropped the idea of them having sex completely. If they "Toned down" the idea of showing Sonic getting a stripper for his birthday into just him having what's meant to imply that he has a birthday party then maybe it would make sense.

Also

The line was riske, not the whole scene.

Not a particularly good translation, and if what followed the line wasn't risqué then how would interpreting the line as risqué make even the slightest amount of sense?

And can you honestly tell me that freaking everyone was gawking at them having sex? I mean come on... Nanaki seems to have more pride than that...

I think we're pretty obviously meant to assume they were just cuddling in the morning.

 

[Hinata Hyuga]

In fact how is it NOT out of character for someone to be so shy and then suddenly want to jump a guy's bones?

How was it sudden? Even I get this stuff!!!

 

[Dashell]

and I STILL don't get how Cloud losing his anal virginity to ... what his name at the Honey Bee in made it into the game but Cloud and Tifa doing it in a stable didn't XD

 

[Channy]

Because CloudxMukki is obviously more canon than CloudxTifa.

On that note, I'm going to bed.

If there isn't an additional 5 pages by tomorrow morning, I can hopefully continue this debate. Because for once I feel inclined to debate something.

Goodnight sluts.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Because up until that point she's been pretty much behind Aerith in regards to portraying her feelings. Yeah she wants to try and help Cloud find himself but she did it in a quieter way without having to put her feelings on display 24/7.

She also doesn't realise up until the Lifestream just how much Cloud feels for her, because he's never really made it apparent.

In fact how is it NOT out of character for someone to be so shy and then suddenly want to jump a guy's bones? Despite the world ending, does she really have no other thoughts on her mind other than sex?

If I were a virgin and the world were about to end then I'd be pretty fucking curious about what I'd been missing out on up to that point as well. And how do we know it's "sudden"? As you yourself have pointed out, Tifa is not particularly expressive, and FFVII is experienced through Cloud's eyes, so maybe she's secretly wanted him for quite some time.

Also in the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega, Nojima states in an interview that Don Corneo stepping out of the Honeybee Inn and shouting "This surely is fantastic!" can also be considered risque.... so that just shows you what the creators think is risque.

Well yeah, given what goes on in the Honeybee Inn, it would be risqué

 

[Dashell]

What? Your analogy doesn't work at all due to the fact that the creators explicitly said they "toned down" the scene rather than dropped the idea of them having sex completely. If they "Toned down" the idea of showing Sonic getting a stripper for his birthday into just him having what's meant to imply that he has a birthday party then maybe it would make sense.

Well now you put bad thoughts in my head

Not a particularly good translation, and if what followed the line wasn't risqué then how would interpreting the line as risqué make even the slightest amount of sense?

I probably shouldn't use clerith.com for my sources.

I think we're pretty obviously meant to assume they were just cuddling in the morning.

So why do they have to have...

Look you can't change my mind and I can't change yours. From the first time I played it, I didn't think they had sex. Maybe they got a little close and cuddly, but sex just... doesn't seem ... it just doesn't work for me. (in that scene)

and fuck Mako's viewing the thread... he's gonna see this
I can't get into an argument with him he's a walking dictionary for FFVII! *runs* You're on your own Channing.

 

[Ⓐaron]

I probably shouldn't use clerith.com for my sources.

No, you shouldn't

 

[Isabella]

Oh boy ...

So you've been in love with a guy for years. You've just recently discovered that he's felt the same way for years. The world is likely ending tomorrow, you're alone and have this one chance to be intimate (physically and emotionally) with each other before you die ... you're saying you wouldn't?

This isn't about Tifa trying to get laid so she doesn't die a virgin. She's in love with the guy. I find all the slut talk really off-putting.

 

[Dashell]

haha, well thanks for the debate, it's nice being able to debate without name calling and what have you. I'll replay the game someday soon... I think I generally get the low affection version of that scene.. .maybe if I get the high affection it'll change my mind.

EDIT:
You know what this reminds me of? That line from Independence Day, "It could our last night on earth, you don't wanna die a virgin do you?"

 

[Channy]

Just one thing before I go to bed

If I were a virgin and the world were about to end then I'd be pretty fucking curious about what I'd been missing out on up to that point as well.

Calling Tifa a virgin imo is wishful thinking because we don't know that for sure. It's just speculation. Just because she loves a guy doesn't mean she hasn't been around or hasn't at least been with one guy before. Afterall people DO cheat and they weren't even together so it's not like it would be unheard of her for her to have slept with someone.

And nop Quex, I ditch you first! -dash-

That is all.

/sleeps

 

[Dashell]

Yeah I kinda doubt Tifa was a virgin... i don't think she was well used or anything but I"d be surprised if she didn't have a couple BFs down the line.

 

[Ⓐaron]

We don't know for certain that she's a virgin, but the compilation doesn't give us any reason to suspect that she's had any partners before. Even if she has, it's pretty obvious from her actions that they wouldn't mean as much to her as Cloud would, since she never even discusses them at any point in the compilation, so she'd still want the chance to be able to get to experience real intimacy.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Sweet God, the bullshit in this thread is stifling.

I know she was drawn by horny Japanese men, but is her outfit really anything she should be wearing to save the world? Granted Aerith's isn't much better, but she was just the slum drunk stranger on the street who got swept up in everything too quickly.

So because she wears a skirt and a shirt....its an outfit not meant to save the world? Right. So I guess a woman's not allowed to look sexy and confident but a guy like Sephiroth can gallivant in a Shinra sponsored bondage outfit and flash his chest and beautifully shampooed hair while trying to destroy the world. Gotcha.

And her CC/Nibelheim outfit... Again, yes horny Japanese businessmen drawing a loli I see the point here but still... Is that any way to dress as a teenage girl? And I hear the argument that she dresses that way to try and impress Cloud. Does that mean it's okay for young teenage girls to dress like stylish sluts to impress a guy? That sets a very bad message.

Can you please get the fuck out of the Victorian age, please? FFS, people in reality wear much worst. She dressed sexy for the man she was happy to see. How the hell is that abnormal? Are you Catholic or something? What bad message? That teenagers care about their looks when they're young and in love?

I find her personality completely unrelatable. She's been crushing/loving this guy for what... 5 years now? Maybe longer if we delve into childhood and can call that early stage puppy love. And yet she could never once muster the strength to try and come forward to him about her feelings until AFTER her competition is sliced and diced.

Yeah, because fighting to save the world, wondering why the guy she liked was acting like a totally different person, and getting over the trauma of losing her family and village left plenty of opportunity to open up the can of worms of starting a relationship mid-fighting. Does that seriously make sense to you? And you really thought Tifa saw Aerith as competition and waited for her to die to make her move? Did even fucking play FFVII?

Sorry, I feel like I'm on clerith.com or something. This is ridiculous.

And if we go about the Highwind Scene, she FINALLY comes forward about her feelings. I thought "Yes, maybe she's finally going to be more human this time around." But then given information about the Chocobo Stable almost-scene I think.... Wow, what sort of message does THAT convey?

Yeah, because two adults having sex after realizing their love for each other, before the possible end of the world is such a terrible and sickening message.

There's this love triangle thing going on, and Cloud's a grieving guy. Then Tifa, who feels relieved that her competition is gone, takes advantage of poor Cloud because people who are upset/depressed are more/usually easily swayed into sex. I have many negative thoughts revolving around this, but none that will come out more coherent enough (not at this hour anyway) other than Tifa's having sex with a guy to try take his mind off shit that's troubling him. While this is realistic and happens irl... again... bad message.

To be honest, I thought you were trolling because I didn't think you'd have such rabid Clerith shipper madness ideas. But apparently you truly believe Tifa was happy Aerith died because now she could finally get Cloud to slip her the Buster Sword. That is so fucking backwards it hurts. Tifa felt horrible and depressed over Aerith's death and she'd never want that for her. Aerith and Tifa were friends. Good friends. And she did not see Aerith's death as a chance to finally fucking move in on Cloud. Where the hell did you get such a tasteless, character bashing idea?

I have to call bullshit, hard. It's not everyday I can confront this batshit bullshit Clerith crap here.

 

[Hinata Hyuga]

Yeah, Tifa's totally not a virgin even though SE's portrayed her as pretty naive about stuff like that. And she's been focused on Cloud since they made the promise.

And Aerith's obviously a slut. I mean, she flirts alot, right?

-sigh-

 

[Channy]

Mako-man I'll get back to you tomorrow. Combating all that needs rested eyes to actually focus.

But thank you for dissecting only my one post. Don't I feel speshul.

 

[Makoeyes987]

You should. You're the closest thing to a "Destiny-Fulfilled" stormtrooper, so I sunk my fangs into you.

Part of me hopes thinks you're fucking around but whatever the case, such bizarre assertions and statements had to be addressed.

 

[Isabella]

It's so encouraging in this day and age to see women being judged by their appearance. What progress we've made. /sarcasm

 

[Makoeyes987]

^This times one-fucking-thousand.

It's such fucking bullshit. Especially when other men AND women wear shit that makes no sense and is clearly aesthetic or sexy. FFS, Sephiroth can wear German fetish gear, but Tifa gets chided over a fucking skirt? Get out of here with that shit.

Hell, look at Nero the Sable. Jesus.

 

[Alex Strife]

I was wondering, while reading these pages... why do we discuss? Initially, the goal of the discussion is convincing other people of our point of view, right? Or defending it from the others who say you're wrong, that is.

But, do we agree that those who believe in "Cloti" and those who believe in "Cleris" will never change their minds? It's that simple.

That said, I will continue with the discussion, too, I know it, but I think we're running in circles, for nearly 550 pages.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Then we might as well stop all form of discussion, debate, and forum usage if we think of it that way. That's BS.