The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Makoeyes987]

Cloud never "came on" to Barret either. Nor do they really "date." It's the same thing with Auron.

You do know that the game, Ultimania and everything else purposefully says Cait Sith's fortune telling is full of shit and not to be taken seriously, right?

Tidus also wanted to pay back Rikku for saving him and cared about her too. She was also the very first person she met in Spira who helped him, and that he got to know. Point?

Jesus, you can flip anything like that if you want to and romanticize it. It has no credence.

 

[Dashell]

You do know that the game, Ultimania and everything else purposefully says Cait Sith's fortune telling is full of shit and not to be taken seriously, right?

I do, they don't

i admit I'd really feel bad for Ana if Nomura did say Cloud and Tifa were canon... in those exact words.

 

[Ⓐaron]

There's potential for a debate if you only look at the script of FFVII without considering any of the sequels, prequels, Ultimanias, or anything else.

With all that stuff, though, the canonical couples are really goddamn obvious to anyone who isn't emotionally invested in proving otherwise.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Who's Ana?

And they shouldn't be so invested in a damn pairing in the first place, to be honest. It's bizarre, vicarious fantasy living through Aerith. I have no idea what could make someone feel so damn invested in a pairing that doesn't exist. I know Cloud and Tifa are together, and Aerith loves Zack, but I didn't vomit blood when I found out Aerith referred to Cloud as a koibito, despite it being surprising.

I just understood and realized, "Of course! It makes sense...she loves Zack, but in FFVII we know that she also had feelings for Cloud so in a way, it make perfect sense. She wouldn't just forget about Cloud and not love him either."

I didn't try to fucking warp reality and the text and make the word in question something about fish people, and how "only Japanese people can understand the true meaning and that's just Aerith saying Cloud is a friend and LALALALLALA I'm right, you're wrong, stfu!"

I just accepted the facts and moved on. Fans need to be able to do that.

 

[Dashell]

There's potential for a debate if you only look at the script of FFVII without considering any of the sequels, prequels, Ultimanias, or anything else.

This. I can see how FFVII can be interpreted to be Clerith or Clouffie or... what have you, but after that... just no.

Who's Ana?

Clerith.com owner... she was nice to me anyway.

but I didn't vomit blood when I found out Aerith referred to Cloud as a koibito, despite it being surprising.

... uh... well good. That's good that you did not vomit blood... that's... that's always good...

 

[Isabella]

I can see arguing that there's no canon couple in the original game, although with the high-affection Highwind being easier to get, I consider it the more likely outcome.

But when they set out to make the compilation, they had to set in stone some things that were previously up in the air. (Anyone remember the debate over whether the planet survived?) They couldn't proceed with Cloud's story without settling a few things.

 

[Dashell]

Hell, I'll give the Cleriths Kingdom Hearts too, at least the first one... the second one... I still have no idea what's going on.

Uh Tifa.. why do you think Cloud's hiding in a wall?

But I don't think there's a need to insult Cleriths and call what they say bullshit because they really do believe in it. You have to be gentle when trying to take apart someone's world from the inside out... Kinda like when I decided to become agnostic

 

[Ⓐaron]

I can see arguing that there's no canon couple in the original game, although with the high-affection Highwind being easier to get, I consider it the more likely outcome.

Not to mention that sex pretty clearly still happens in the low-affection version, or at least I always thought it was obvious. Still, just considering the original script there really isn't enough evidence to conclude that he didn't also have feelings for Aerith.

 

[Isabella]

And why are they so emotionally involved? Surely it's not a coincidence that a large percentage of them have a crush on Cloud, and idolize Aerith.

 

[Makoeyes987]

i think kingdom hearts 2 seventh heaven is a pretty cool girl. eh chases cloud to give him her lite cus shes his lite and doesnt afraid of anything.

 

[Isabella]

o_O
Er, Mako?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Quexinos said she didn't understand what was up with KH2, so I thought I'd give her my opinion.

 

[Dashell]

Mako, don't make me use the Kermit emote from my forum. I'll do it, Mako, I'll use the Kermit emote.

And why are they so emotionally involved?

Same reason anyone gets involved in stuff they care about. Look at me and One Piece.. hell you should have seen me with Sonic. Was so passionate about it, they gave me a mention on the Sonic DVD.... though I'm not sure... what does this have to do with Cloud?

Quexinos said she didn't understand what was up with KH2, so I thought I'd give her my opinion.

It still didn't explain why Tifa thought Cloud was behind a wall. (Maybe she saw my Sims video and saw him in the fridge the one time:

)

 

[Ⓐaron]

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Pretty_cool_guy

in case Bella isn't aware of the meme.

 

[Isabella]

In YouTube-ese?

Edit: Ah. OK. Note that it says the joke is old.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I like to believe it's a classic

 

[Ⓐaron]

Everything is old according to ED

 

[Dashell]

I accidentally Clerith, is this dangerous?

(I did it wrong, didn't I?)

 

[Makoeyes987]

FUCK YOU QUEXINOS I WAS GONNA USE THAT ONE NEXT. DAMN YOU!!!!!

You got it right, though, so congratulations. I lol'd.

 

[Ⓐaron]

I hear Bush accidentally the whole economy.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

Hm, no you guys are getting it all WRONG. You're paying way too much attention to the fact that Cloud and Tifa live together with Marlene and Denzel as a family.

Cloud, you see, is a jackass who doesn't mind living with Tifa, a woman who is in love with him, even though he clearly doesn't give a fig about her.

Or, wait, wait, I've got it - Tifa doesn't care about Cloud - she's actually secretly in love with Barret, which is why she cares so much about Marlene. She's actually pissed off that Barret left her and went off gallivanting the planet in search of monsters/a new arm/weed, so in true sisterly fashion, she takes it out on her little brother Cloud by nagging at him throughout AC/C.

Bah.

I actually like Tifa... She wears a short skirt, so what? Stating that she is a slut based on her clothing is just...

Tifa did care about Cloud for years. She was looking for news of Cloud in the papers, she even asked Zack whether he knew a blond guy in SOLDIER and then begged him not to tell anyone she asked.

She meets him years later - and right off he says something that makes her wonder what's wrong with his head.

Tifa obviously wanted to keep an eye on Cloud, and her feelings for him were reawakening, if they'd died down at all. On top of that, Aerith turned up. Tifa wasn't only battling her feelings for Cloud AND the appearance of a rival (who she liked as a friend) - she also had to worry about Cloud's strange memories.

Excuse her for not kicking Aerith in the ass and hauling Cloud off to bed. Even though it galled her, she seemed to be more concerned with Cloud's mentality than in trying to stake a claim as his girlfriend.

She also decided to stay behind in Medeel to look after Vege-Cloud. She gave up looking to combat Sephiroth and Meteor, and saving the world, to stay with the guy she loved.

Then they clear up the mystery of his incongruous memories and Cloud is himself again. They're off to a do-or-die attempt to save the world, and quite frankly to them it probably looked like they'd get eaten up by Sephiroth or crushed by Meteor. Chances of survival probably looked slim. So, as has been pointed out before, I'm wondering what on Gaia is wrong with Tifa sleeping with Cloud in such a situation!!

It had nothing to do with the fact that it happened after Aerith died.

 

[Dashell]

Yeah we're talking about memes here, so I'm not sure what you're going on about over there O_o

 

[Ⓐaron]

She's just offering belated input on some discussion from a few pages ago

 

[Isabella]

And I'll just throw this out there ... Tifa just walked through his flipping mind! And people say she doesn't know him. Can anyone possibly know him better after that?

 

[Dashell]

haha, I know, it's a good post.

Cloud, you see, is a jackass who doesn't mind living with Tifa, a woman who is in love with him, even though he clearly doesn't give a fig about her.

This made me lol BTW.