Which is fair enough. It's awesome that you're not batshit crazy about it like some people, lol. "CLOTEE IS BAD BECAUSE TIFAZ A HO". I actually don't mind Channy thinking the way she does about Tifa, because it's her honest opinion that had a reason behind it. While I don't agree with the reasoning, it's far better than just being plain moronic.
Exactly. You asked for my honest opinion and I gave. It wasn't what people wanted to hear, but that's what I
think. Rapid Clerith answer would have been more like "zomg tifa such a ho she slept wif evry1 wen clod wuz gawn an she slept wif hem 2 an den left him 4 baret."
@Everything you said back to me:
I'd say Aerith was very clingy, and I can't blame her. Look what happened to Zack in the past, and now this guy that reminds her of him shows up, and even fell through her roof the same way Zack did. Aerith wouldn't let Cloud leave her house- and she was persistent to join him no matter how many times he told her that it was too dangerous. While I admire that, I'm not going to deny that it's being rather clingy. Aerith really was all about sticking to Cloud, too. She interacted with him often, more than anyone else I'd say. And, as I said before, even knowing that Tifa has an interest in him (and optional if she knows Cloud has an interest in Tifa), she will remind him of the date and openly flirt with him.
Well when you put it like that, I see your point and it does come off as clingy but not in a necessary bad way. Aerith just wants to love someone. ;_;
It's offensive because Tifa wouldn't do that. It's made clear that she has in her heart one man, and one man only. Her character creators have made that quite clear. True, it is 'just a game', but that doesn't justify the right to call something slutty, when it isn't. The game and characters have heavy influences on the people that experience them. Some people find things they can relate to with certain characters, and become really attached. While I think it's going too far to start flame and hate wars over pixels, I feel it's just fine to defend them.
Yah I know. I could/should have been more tactful about what I said and how I phrased it, but I think it's become obvious to people that I don't think when I type.
And also when quoting posts, thoughts come into mind but after reading 3 pages and finally getting to the reply, that thought's usually gone and I insert something else to make it more relevant. So yeah, calling Tifa a slut the whole time, not one of my better ideas but I'd like to reiterate but this was my
first initial thought when I was presented her in the game.
True, seven years is quite a bit of time for shit to go down, but if something like another relationship happened, the creators would have made that clear to us. I really hope you're not offended, Channy.
I'm not calling your opinion moronic, or stupid, but I do think that it's incorrect. And since this is techincally a debate thread.
I just want to say that I do respect your opinion, though I disagree.
I know baby, and I thank you for it. You've always been so sweet to me.
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!!!I don't think people should be calling you a rapid Clerith, or say that you're spouting bullshit. Now, that's offensive to me. You're not a fictional character, you're real. And I don't think it's fair to insult you when you were nice enough to offer up your honest opinions. Are fail pictures towards you really necessary? I mean, come on. That's just disrespectful, especially in a debate. If you were a complete idiot, that'd be a different story, but you're not.
It was just shocking to me to see such reactions from people over a game. I guess that was my main emotion when reading the thread, not so much disrespected or butthurt, just surprised at how my thoughts had pushed everyone's buttons like that, and unintentionally to boot.
What happens when people are afraid or reluctant to call "bullshit" when they see bullshit only perpetuates a cycle wherein things such as 'clothing=character' go misaddressed or ignored or scoffed off as "incorrect information."
Yes, like Channy. She seems like a decent kid. But don't ignore inflammatory comments or ridiculous social commentary simply because it was about a fictional character. I don't give a rats ass if she likes Tifa. Not everyone does. But I do care--vehemently--when a female proclaims herself a feminist and then spouts out nonsense regarding sexual promiscuity based on the length of a skirt. No. just, no. That's bullshit.
I guess what I neglected to mention was that I didn't intend for the feminist comment to come off as "YO I'MA FEMINIST BISCH". I had slightly mentioned that previous arguments and discussions had included radical feminism ways.... but what I left OUT was that times have changed with me. A bf an shit has left me tied down and learning my place in the kitchen.
Ergo, not so feminist now.
Again, sorry for the misinterpretation.
Since nobody seems to have mentioned this, I’m going to go on and throw it out there:
Many Clerith have claimed that in AC/ACC, Cloud leaves Tifa because he wants to be reunited with Aerith, despite the fact that ACC practically bashed it into our heads that he left because he was looking for a cure for Denzel, felt guilty about the deaths of two very close friends, ect. Now if Cloud and Aerith have this “undying love” for each other, and Aerith, who is watching over her distraught lover from above, sees how miserable Cloud is without her, why doesn’t she keep him in the lifestream with her when she’s given the chance?
Instead, she sends him back without a scratch. Either the poor girl is blind, or this whole lovers after death thing just isn’t happening.
See the issue I have with that is that's an incredible selfish and bitchy thing to do, no matter who you ship, be it Clerith, Cloti, or Clack. Pulling a loved one into death through accidental means and keeping them there for your own gain is a selfish thing to do, and nothing that Aerith or Tifa would ever do. I can safely say that if the roles were reversed, Tifa would probably release Cloud back to irl.
Well... well... does it hafta be so mean? ;_; -twiddles thumbs- I'm biased when it comes to Channy, is all. She'z meh bby.
An I love being your bby <33
In most cases the response was directed at the disturbing "opinion" and not specific to Channy herself. Only when the debate increased did it become harsher, and I'm hard pressed to think of anyone calling Channy any names... I could be wrong. **shrug**
Nah, nobody called names, the worst of it was that Mako just threatened to warn me for trolling (which I wasn't), posted fail pic after rage pic, and then unleashed all the anger of anti-Clerithism that festered inside him for months. Sure some of it could have been offensive, there was a paragraph of his that actually really surprised me to read that would be reported were he not on staff, but most of it was fine.
The Man said:
The only post I would consider to be particularly mean would be Mako's, and that was only because Mako is always like that. :monster
Fixxed
This pretty much.
Okay, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't like... attacking her. Thinking someone's opinion is wrong is one thing, but insulting them personally for it is another case. Seto's big OMG FAIL post is what particularly caught my eye so... I don't even know if Channy is even bothered by it, so maybe I should shut mai whore mouth.
Thanks for clarifying.
I still love you bby, thanks so much for feeling obligated to try and defend me. <3
To be honest, and I'm not trying to be a 'rabid cloti' or anything, but I feel like Cloud shows a different emotion when Tifa almost dies/gets hurt.
Not to say that Aerith's death scene wasn't one of the saddest moment in like, any FF or that it wasn't important, but the scene doesn't scream *love* to me at all. I agree with what most of you are saying: that this is about the tragedy of Aerith, a beloved comrade and very special woman losing her life.
I noticed this too actually... During VII when Aerith dies he just rages at Sephiroth... because it was such a sudden thing no one was expecting. And regarding Tifa it was more of a "zomg wtf is wrong with me I let her get hurt again" rage at himself... before he passes out.
Also regarding KH I always and STILL think it was regarding INNER light, for all the reasons Raquel already stated. But can someone tell me wtf AU stands for?
nvm figured it out, alternate universe.
