The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Alessa Gillespie]

rabid Aerti shipper,

Join the Pink and Black Social Group plz? /offtopic

 

[Hinata Hyuga]

Cloud did it so he wouldn't look/feel like a dick? Er. That's a rather stiff and professional way of looking at an act of kindness, imo. :|

What about my reply on this one?

/pout

Yeah, it was kind. But what makes it romantic other than the fact that Aerith is a pretty lady who needs help?

 

[Dashell]

Cloud did it so he wouldn't look/feel like a dick? Er. That's a rather stiff and professional way of looking at an act of kindness, imo. :|

Agreed, Cloti's don't need to go so far as to make it seem like Cloud didn't care at all for Aerith. I mean they basically have the LTD and I think some of them go too far trying to find Cloti or Anti Clerith in everything.

 

[Zee]

Oop, sorry Rinali. asldalsd /fail

Really? Can you give some examples?

The talk they share at the park, the talk they share in the prison, the talk at Cosmo Canyon. We already know that Aeris usually rolls with the punches and doesn't dwell on loneliness, but she finds it easy to talk to Cloud about Zack, hearing her mother's voice, and the isolation she feels as a Cetra. Cloud actually puts aside his I'm-a-dick act to listen to her and sympathize even if he's one step behind.

They see Aerith in the helicopter with Tseng, Tifa reacts before he does.

More Aeti proofz?

Cloud doesn't do anything, he doesn't even say anything when Tseng slaps Aerith. He decides to go to Shinra headquarters to rescue her, but he doesn't act antsy, he's thinking about something else - Sephiroth and the Ancients.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you're saying rather than rescuing someone he cares about he's thinking of his own needs. Like rescuing Aeris just happens to coincide with his own needs, so he does it.

Barret and Tifa show just as much concern for her. Just as much resolve to get her out of there.

If you take the elevator, Barret makes a remark like, "So you do care about someone else" and even Tifa giggles at this. It seems his resolve to rescue Aeris tickled them a bit. :3

All in all though, this is kind of detracting from my main point. I'm not bringing these things up as ultimate proofz of romance, I'm simply trying to point out that all of these actions can suggest a budding romantic interest and it wouldn't be totally unfounded for someone to get that out of their interactions.

 

[crack]

I believe that they probably had budding romantic feelings and flirtation, but that doesn't detract from what Cloud and Tifa currently have and I'm befuddled when it's treated like it does.

Vendel: What evidence is there that Cloud was romantic or flirtatious towards Aerith?

 

[Zee]

I already provided such information in my previous posts, and I do hope that he gets the chance to ask me questions personally rather than secondhand.

 

[Dawnbreaker]

You know it's kinda amusing how people go around calling a girl a slut for simply showing interest in a guy. Or how she's a slut for wearing clothing that completely clothes their bodies. Or flirting. Or well anything. Hell, they're a slut for even having an intimate moment with a man they clearly have feelings for and is with no (or very very few) others.

Sorry, folks, but I find this argument entirely judgemental of women in general on both characters. Guess what? Women can wear something "provocative" without fucking everything they can find. Women can say entirely cute and coy things without meaning they're hoping some guy will boink them. Women can have long-term committed relationships or romantic interests without wanting to have sex with a stranger in a parking lot.

Hell even a woman wanting sex for sex's sake doesn't mean she's entirely a whore or something but rather a woman who understands that she wants to fulfill a carnal need and dosen't make more out of it than it is.

Maybe it's just me or does this whole discussion stink of degradation of my gender?

 

[crack]

I already provided such information in my previous posts, and I do hope that he gets the chance to ask me questions personally rather than secondhand.

All of what you posted is when Cloud isn't even Cloud. Real romantic thar.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

@Fairheart
Cloud did it so he wouldn't look/feel like a dick? Er. That's a rather stiff and professional way of looking at an act of kindness, imo. :|

Don't get me wrong, there were noble intentions behind AVALANCHE's rescue, just not romantic ones. And I didn't say he did it to not feel like a dick, I said, he'd be a dick not to rescue her. And he would have been.

As a rabid Aerti shipper, I wholeheartedly agree.

<3

Retracted - the actual quote was more like "You and your stupid plan don't matter anymore. Aeris is dead"... yadda yadda. He is still claiming that at that moment, his most important goal is meaningless in the face of her death. I think that's a pretty heavy thing to say.

Of course it is. He just watched one of his friends--a woman he was sworn to protect--get stabbiditied by Sephiroth--a man who already took from him his mother, his hometown and nearly his mind. (After nearly doing the job FOR Sephiroth, let's not forget) He no doubt felt a lot of heavy emotions. Pain, loss, regret, sadness, anger, fear... I could go on, but I think you get the point. Important, heavy, intense, yes. Romantic? No. Sorry, again.

...I'm really not sure how often I have to say this, but I'm not suggesting Cloud and Aeris had a long standing tru wuvs forever type of deal going on. I believe that they probably had budding romantic feelings and flirtation, but that doesn't detract from what Cloud and Tifa currently have and I'm befuddled when it's treated like it does.

I don't think it does, because I don't think--on Cloud's end--it was anything more than, "Oh, cute girl thinks I'm hot and is paying attention to me... must flex attitude and muscle". He is a bit of an attention whore. Cloti is compilation proven and solid. Clerith is fanon and interpretation. I could interpret Cloud calling Barret a Bear wearing a marshmallow flirtatious... and even speculate that the bickering between them was sexual tension. And I could make some damn convincing arguments, but it won't make it right or true to the narrative.

And that's really my only gripe with Clerith. As a fanon pairing, sure. But asserting the couple as canon? It's just not sound logic.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Agreed, Cloti's don't need to go so far as to make it seem like Cloud didn't care at all for Aerith. I mean they basically have the LTD and I think some of them go too far trying to find Cloti or Anti Clerith in everything.

And I didn't. I said he'd be a dick NOT to rescue her. I'm not anti-Clerith. I'm "anti-Clerith as canon".

 

[Hinata Hyuga]

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you're saying rather than rescuing someone he cares about he's thinking of his own needs. Like rescuing Aeris just happens to coincide with his own needs, so he does it.

No. I wouldn't say that. I don't think that at all. What I'm saying is that if it were supposed to be taken as romantic, they didn't make Cloud behave that way. He wasn't completely focused on Aerith. Not that he wasn't concerned for her safety, but for it to have been a romantic thing like storming the Shinra headquarters against all odds(and not with two other people just as concerned and just as resolute with him every step).

It didn't seem romantic. Cloud acts like business as usual when she's back with the party, even though she flirts more and tells him she knew he'd come for her.

It was an act of kindness, but wasn't romantic.

All in all though, this is kind of detracting from my main point. I'm not bringing these things up as ultimate proofz of romance, I'm simply trying to point out that all of these actions can suggest a budding romantic interest and it wouldn't be totally unfounded for someone to get that out of their interactions.

I guess it could seem that way. Cloud's not a normal guy anyway, so the usual hero reactions, being really straight to the point, aren't gonna happen.

I didn't get anything romantic from that particular part of the game. The Shinra rescue. But other parts I thought were cute and could definitely suggest an interest on more than just Aerith's part.

So, fair enough.

 

[Dashell]

actually lemme ask a mod if this is okay before I get into trouble

 

[crack]

Okay guys, LTD over. Here's the proof, it's the end. Clerith won:

That's fucking gay, not going to lie.

 

[Dashell]

You... you know it's a joke right?

 

[crack]

All kinds of jokes exist.

 

[Zee]

All of what you posted is when Cloud isn't even Cloud. Real romantic thar.

If you have an actual argument to present, without parroting someone who has been banned, then by all means have at it.

And that's really my only gripe with Clerith. As a fanon pairing, sure. But asserting the couple as canon? It's just not sound logic.

I think most of the problem with Cleris is that its supporters and debaters alike try to find this end all be all proof of canon and...you really can't provide solid proof of something that never really had the chance to happen.

Romantic? No. Sorry, again.

What is considered romantic is subjective - while you yourself don't see it that way because of the way you interpreted their relationship, others would see (fortune-telling, campfire scene, rescuing her) as romantic for fairly obvious reasons. Which again is basically my whole (only?) point. I don't think it's a mighty stretch to see why people would view such scenes as romantic even if you don't.

Cloti is compilation proven and solid.

Agreed. I just don't think that interpreting a fleeting attraction/possible budding romance between Cloud and Aeris takes anything away from this.

@ Rinali: Just saw your post, going to work on it.

 

[Isabella]

Eh, you know, I really think that who Cloud has an interest in on disc one is up to the player. The game was designed that way. It doesn't change the fact that Cloud ending up with Tifa is canon. If someone interpreted Cloud's interactions with Aerith as romantic, big deal. Same with his interactions with Tifa. Neither is canon because there are too many variables.

I've said this before, but the beauty of Cloud's memory loss is that he can have an eye on either girl and still end up with Tifa once he gets his memories back. I guess I don't see what the big deal is, or why people feel the need to interrogate people who hold views like Zee's. Maybe we're all just bored.

Now, if we get some spirit-bonding advocates in here, that's another story ...

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUCK

OH GOD I NEVER WANTED TO SEE CLOUD'S DONG.

D:

 

[Dashell]

WAH! Sorry I'll put up a better warning... actually maybe I shouldn't even be posting it.

 

[crack]

If you have an actual argument to present, without parroting someone who has been banned, then by all means have at it.

Well, I would have posted what he wanted to actually say to you, which is your arguments are like jack and shit.

 

[Ⓐaron]

If you have an actual argument to present, without parroting someone who has been banned, then by all means have at it.

They're right though, the Ultimania pretty clearly states that "Cloud" on the first disc isn't really Cloud.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

WAH! Sorry I'll put up a better warning... actually maybe I shouldn't even be posting it.

No one deserves to see that floppy wang. No one.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

OH GOD I NEVER WANTED TO SEE CLOUD'S DONG.

.... no?



I calls you a liar!

 

[Hinata Hyuga]

I guess I don't see what the big deal is, or why people feel the need to interrogate people who hold views like Zee's. Maybe we're all just bored.

You know...more than anything else...that's what it is. lol

I don't have anything better to do atm.

Coz lord knows when I play that game, anytime Cloud is with either girl I get all giggly. I'm always *really* nice to Aerith, and *really* nice to Tifa.

I always have them in my party whenever they are available.

 

[Dashell]

.... no?



I calls you a liar!

XD
Well I asked a mod if I could post it... sorry you had to see it... if I get in trouble for it, I do but... I took it down for now so no one else has to uh... see it XD