The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Madame Mayor]

Clerith evidence? Ignore what you can and twist what you can't ignore. And the beloved making shit up.

Not exactly evidence.

Perhaps if I had put the term in quotes it would have made more sense?

"Clerith evidence"... that stuff that they claim is evidence.

 

[Raquelborn]

So he doesn't say it directly.

Uematsu says: When I was skimming through the script there was one line at the end that said something like "Cloud Smiles"...Sometimes a small phrase like that can influence the music.

And he's talking about the smile given to Tifa, as opposed to the one given to Aerith and Zack because...?

http://www.oritsuru.com/ff7ac/script_6.php

[ All the kids then jump in and surround Cloud. Tifa smiles at Cloud. Cloud then looks around and spots Aeris talking to a couple of children. He watches her walk back to the doorway, where Zack stands waiting for her. She turns her head and looks at him. ]

Aeris: You see? Everything's alright.

[ The two walk out and Zack gives a small wave to Cloud. Cloud smiles. ]

Cloud: I know. I'm not alone. Not anymore.

Please educate me.

 

[Strangelove]

http://www.oritsuru.com/ff7ac/script_6.php


Please educate me.

Is not the actual script that Uematsu would have read The proper script doesn't mention Cloud smiling during the Aerith shot.

 

[Raquelborn]

Is not the actual script that Uematsu would have read The proper script doesn't mention Cloud smiling during the Aerith shot.

Where can I find the official script?

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Where can I find the official script?

With special edition copies of Advent Children.

Where do you think? XP

This is the TidusxYuna one:
http://www.clerith.com/More FF Parallels.htm

And here's one about other FFs:
http://www.clerith.com/FFParallels.htm

Also there's plenty of superficial reasons for Aerith being close to Yuna, but she's closer to Terra, who doesn't find a love interest. Last of their kind, both are magic users, both have pink ribbons () , both pretty much save the world...

 

[Strangelove]

Someone must have up them online, like everything else, but I've never seen one/don't remember

 

[Raquelborn]

Someone must have up them online, like everything else, but I've never seen one/don't remember

So how do you know it doesn't say "Cloud smiles" for the Aerith scene, but most definitely does for the Tifa scene?

 

[null.]

He owns the script, and has posted the scan of that page before iirc.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Also there's plenty of superficial reasons for Aerith being close to Yuna, but she's closer to Terra, who doesn't find a love interest. Last of their kind, both are magic users, both have pink ribbons () , both pretty much save the world...

Both wanna knock boots with Cloud...erm...what?

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

So how do you know it doesn't say "Cloud smiles" for the Aerith scene, but most definitely does for the Tifa scene?

I remember the page said he shyly smiles at Tifa.

 

[Raquelborn]

I remember the page said he shyly smiles at Tifa.

Does anyone have a link to a scan?

 

[Frostwave]

I've got the script right here in my hand.

I haven't been able to find it online; I've only find ones done by people who've copied the subtitles down.

I've got a scanner, but it's not mine, and I don't know where it is, heh.

This is what it says anyway(this is right after everybody starts cheering when Cloud baptizes Denzel with the water):

Tifa: (smiling)

Cloud: (looks back at Tifa with a shy smile)

The other kids jump into the spring one by one. The church is filled with joyous chatter. Tifa looks at Cloud with a smile. Cloud smiles back at her with a shy expression. Tifa gives a satisfied nod.

Cloud looks around the church. Some children are giving Aerith flowers. She takes them and heads out the church. Cloud gazes at her wordlessly. Aerith turns around gently:

Aerith: You see, everything's all right.

She fades into the light with Zack, who is standing by the door.

Cloud: I know... I'm not alone. Not anymore.

Insert theme song.

I'll try to actually scan it later if no one else does.

 

[null.]

Hello guest lurkers. I c u. *waves*

That is all.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Hello guest lurkers. I c u. *waves*

That is all.

Oooh, we have guests?? And I'm so under dressed... The house is a mess. **wipes forehead** Damn it, why can't they call first?

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Nobuo says he was inspired by Cloud's first smile when Cloud was surrounded by the kids and the script tells you that his first smile was the shy one towards Tifa.

I respectful-ly disagree.

You can respectful-ly kiss mah manly ass. LOL
You just can't handle the Clephiroth. Admit it.

 

[Frostwave]

Oooh, we have guests?? And I'm so under dressed... The house is a mess. **wipes forehead** Damn it, why can't they call first?

When I read this Fair, a picture of Mrs. Doubtfire with a face full of cool-whip popped into my mind.

 

[Raquelborn]

Nobuo says he was inspired by Cloud's first smile when Cloud was surrounded by the kids and the script tells you that his first smile was the shy one towards Tifa.

Not really. Uematsu says "When I was skimming through the script there was one line at the end that said something like "Cloud smiles"...Sometimes a small phrase like that can influence the music."

Then it switches to Nomura talking about his favorite scene, which is when Cloud is surrounded by children and is smiling, embarassed. (Tifa isn't even mentioned).

Unless we're talking about a different extra, or it's on a commentary of the movie or something.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Raq, there is only one smile from Cloud referenced in the script at the end. That is the shy smile to Tifa. That is the one Nobue wrote the song for.

No other smile is referenced.

 

[KissTheRain]

Raq, there is only one smile from Cloud referenced in the script at the end. That is the shy smile to Tifa. That is the one Nobue wrote the song for.

Haha, you sure no one noticed that huge slow mo one that faded to black? I thought it was just a bit too queer to miss actually, but that's just me. xD

 

[Vendel]

Haha, you sure no one noticed that huge slow mo one that faded to black? I thought it was just a bit too queer to miss actually, but that's just me. xD

Everyone saw that KTR. But for some reason your pinker buddies go blind for a few seconds after Tifa smiles at Cloud.

Maybe they have such a visceral reaction to her that they just close their eyes in disgust. And when they open them again they see Aerith.

 

[Frostwave]

Driving by again KTR, or do you plan to hang around a bit this time? XD

Anyway, though the moment was focused on, I wouldn't call that a huge smile, KTR. His mouth barely turns up at all. It's not an obvious smile to me. He looks peaceful, and that of course is nice, considering it took the whole movie to get him there. ^^

 

[KissTheRain]

Everyone saw that KTR. But for some reason your pinker buddies go blind for a few seconds after Tifa smiles at Cloud.

What does me being a part of the CxA forums have to do with what smiles I saw Vendel? I saw both and like both, just throwing a bit of my opinion out there.

Driving by again KTR, or do you plan to hang around a bit this time? XD

I just like to swing by every now and then. XD You people are lame after more than 10 minutes. XDD Jk...

It wasn't obvious to you? Really, I always thought that's what the song was based of off, but w/e. I saw his smile for all the kids and his friends too, but the last one imo just seemed kinda like the finale smile to his departing friends and all this burdens "walking away" (yah, symbolism! c

 

[Frostwave]

You people are lame after more than 10 minutes. XDD Jk...

At least we can last that long. Oh, j/k, j/k.

It wasn't obvious to you? Really, I always thought that's what the song was based of off, but w/e.

I probably thought the song was inspired by the other moment, where he smiles while surrounded by his friends and family, because it happened first, and therefore was the first time I'd ever seen Cloud truly smile.

A very awkward, shy smile. It was quite a moment for me.

 

[Vendel]

What does me being a part of the CxA forums have to do with what smiles I saw Vendel? I saw both and like both, just throwing a bit of my opinion out there.

Ah so you see Cloud and Tifa smile at each other? And you admit his smile for her is different than for the children? Because I have a pic from their so called ACC FAQ. And they still insist that Cloud does not smile at her.

All it takes to disprove that is 3 simple screen shots.

I would love for you to voice this disagreement over there. And when you are banned you are still welcome here.



Anyways the discussion is what inspired the song "Cloud Smiles". And it was Cloud's smile for Tifa.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Haha, you sure no one noticed that huge slow mo one that faded to black? I thought it was just a bit too queer to miss actually, but that's just me. xD

Whether or not that's a smile, it's NOT IN THE SCRIPT, which is WHAT NOBUE WROTE THE SONG BASED OFF OF.

What does me being a part of the CxA forums have to do with what smiles I saw Vendel? I saw both and like both, just throwing a bit of my opinion out there.

There does tend to be a toeing of a party line going on.

I just like to swing by every now and then. XD You people are lame after more than 10 minutes. XDD Jk...

Yes, I'm sure that's the case KTR, and not your fear of the severe intellectual beatdown to come.

It wasn't obvious to you? Really, I always thought that's what the song was based of off, but w/e.

It's not. Simple matter of fact it's not.

I saw his smile for all the kids and his friends too, but the last one imo just seemed kinda like the finale smile to his departing friends and all this burdens "walking away" (yah, symbolism! c

'Smile to his friends?' Are you insinuating his shy smile to Tifa after the zoom in to her face was to everyone, or are you admitting Zack and Aerith are both extant and both his friends?