The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Alessa Gillespie]

I think Tifa and Aerith are both absolutely gorgeous. I don't think a crush on either could be called entirely baseless.

 

[Isabella]

I guess what threw me more was the assertion that past feelings should have no bearing on the story. Why are they there then? Just filler? Game was too short?

 

[Ⓐaron]

If past feelings have no bearing on the story, then doesn't Aerith's death kind of remove her as a possibility in the love triangle? ZING

 

[Strangelove]

Baseless crush? Tifa is the hottest girl on the FF7 planet.

I'm only thanking you because Tifa's boobs made me the biased Cloti I am today.

I have more to disagree with, but I'm too tired now and should have been sleeping hours ago Though the topic will have probably changed 15 times before I get back, and I've probably said it all before anyway.

I'm going to write a book telling budding authors not to bother making backstories for their characters, because none of this past nonsense actually means anything.

 

[Isabella]

Hito we need your book on how to write fiction, the one with explicit instructions on how to make the past completely irrelevant to the present.

EDIT: lol, hey, you snuck that last line in there.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I'm only thanking you because Tifa's boobs made me the biased Cloti I am today.

I have more to disagree with, but I'm too tired now and should have been sleeping hours ago Though the topic will have probably changed 15 times before I get back, and I've probably said it all before anyway.

I'm going to write a book telling budding authors not to bother making backstories for their characters, because none of this past nonsense actually means anything.

Hito we need your book on how to write fiction, the one with explicit instructions on how to make the past completely irrelevant to the present.

EDIT: lol, hey, you snuck that last line in there.

No we don't. He mentioned that book before. That book is all in the past and doesn't matter any more.

 

[Isabella]

No seriously folks, I want to understand this line of thinking. I'm just wondering if the people who write these things follow the thought through to the end.

What does mention of a past crush accomplish in the game if it's no longer relevant? What does it contribute at this point in the story? If we're following this reasoning, we're probably assuming Cloud is madly in love with Aerith at this point in the game. So what does the revelation of a past crush add to the story? Is it just to feed our hatred of Tifa for being such an evil bitch, unlike our heroine? It's not needed to cement Cloud as a mixed-up child; we could have accomplished the same without the crush. So, what then?

 

[Strangelove]

I've talked about my book before (like everything else), but it's such a big dream for me. I know it'll make me a millionaire. I'll be the Syd Field of whatever kind of writing this. People will be like, "hey, dude! Help me with my like, story or something!" and I'll tell them to buy my book. Where they learn:


- not bothering making up detailed/any history for characters because that crap don't matter in the future-present-now (unless the character had a Ribbon equipped, which makes them immune to Passage of Time), so you have more time for like, walking the dog or something
- how to clearly label your characters so people can tell what the story will be like a mile off (so they don't get surprised and scared and other nasty emotions)
- filling your story with pointless flashbacks to pad it out, then constantly reference those unimportant events even though no one actually cares about them
- making tragic characters who just don't get the hint even at the every end of the story

And you're all going to buy it for $50, and become hacks brilliant writers. Because if you saw C/T in FFVII, there's something seriously wrong with your ability to process thought.

I'll also use my clout to make Square re-re-release AC the way

Spoiler: it was meant to be

Edit; oh noes, things got serious while I was looking for my book cover again.

 

[KissTheRain]

If past feelings have no bearing on the story, then doesn't Aerith's death kind of remove her as a possibility in the love triangle? ZING

That's quite true which is why "not getting over something" cannot not be seen as a legit arguement in the LTD. A Cloti could easily say "Cloud never got over Tifa from the past feelings", but say he was over Aerith and vice versa for the Cleriths.

Cloud definatly is not the type to get over things so people could use that as a reason, but it's kinda BS to exclude the others though about Cloud moving on. But death is different from a crush so that could change some things.

 

[Isabella]

Before you can argue that he's not over Aerith, you have to prove he was ever under her.

 

[Madame Mayor]

Before you can argue that he's not over Aerith, you have to prove he was ever under her.

The main issue with Cloud "getting over Tifa" is that these feelings aren't just shown in the FFVII flashbacks to when they were kids, they are reinforced in Crisis Core when he's a teenager.

Heck, Zack get's the hint!

Then he gets put in goo, years go by, and he comes out of it messed up. So when is he supposed to spend all this time getting over her? If his crush on Tifa was the way Clerii described it, he wouldn't still be interested come CC events.

 

[Ryushikaze]

That's quite true which is why "not getting over something" cannot not be seen as a legit arguement in the LTD. A Cloti could easily say "Cloud never got over Tifa from the past feelings", but say he was over Aerith and vice versa for the Cleriths.

The distinction being there's nothing to get over with Aerith, at least not romantically speaking.

Cloud definatly is not the type to get over things so people could use that as a reason, but it's kinda BS to exclude the others though about Cloud moving on. But death is different from a crush so that could change some things.

Explain. Because that sounds valid enough, but says almost nothing. Go into detail.

 

[KissTheRain]

The main issue with Cloud "getting over Tifa" is that these feelings aren't just shown in the FFVII flashbacks to when they were kids, they are reinforced in Crisis Core when he's a teenager.

I count teenage years as being childhood, it’s just the adult years and test tube land that is shaky.

The distinction being there's nothing to get over with Aerith, at least not romantically speaking.

To you, but many Cleriths believe Cloud and Aerith were in fact in love.

Explain. Because that sounds valid enough, but says almost nothing. Go into detail.

Well, I mean like in AC Cloud was pinning on fallen friends/*possibly* a lover(s?) and he had been the last two years, which I would count as not exactly getting over something. Imo, it was more Aerith seeing the quote of “undying feelings” and in the DoC manual it speaking of him never forgetting her. So this is basically saying he isn’t exactly over her. Then on the contrary with Tifa, he held out a crush 8 years minimum (8-16 possibly younger) and I’m just going to exclude the time he is in the test tube because us or him had no idea how we/him felt then. Then in the beginning of VII there are no specific feelings or examples of Cloud loving Tifa, but when they realize their “feelings” at the end of VII it seems things started again showing he was never over Tifa….but at the same time through the rest of the game he is speaking of avenging Aerith or meeting her once again showing he is still thinking of her. To say he got over one is foolish and not faithful to Cloud’s character because that is a big part, imo, to his character. It is also the main structure to keep both relationships going really. I don’t wanna be biased on the LTD and I think saying Cloud pins on both women is true, that’s who he is.

 

[Max Payne]

To you, but many Cleriths believe Cloud and Aerith were in fact in love.

Precisely. Belief, but no actual concrete reasoning for such save personal impressions on transpired events.

 

[KissTheRain]

Precisely. Belief, but no actual concrete reasoning for such save personal impressions on transpired events.

Lol, just trail over to clerith.com i'm sure there has to be something plausable there.

 

[Vendel]

Lol, just trail over to clerith.com i'm sure there has to be something plausable there.

Well you think they would stumble upon a point. But alas.

 

[Max Payne]

Based on whose definition of plausibility?

And would sooner douse own testicles in gasoline and have fire party with the family.

 

[KissTheRain]

Based on whose definition of plausibility?

I guess to them, but it's vice versa in their opinion, many think your ideas are crap.

 

[Fighter]

Lol, just trail over to clerith.com i'm sure there has to be something plausable there.

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

Must be something plausible since some believe, right?

 

[Max Payne]

I guess to them, but it's vice versa in their opinion, many think your ideas are crap.

Who is many, and what ideas crap?

These things are critical to self esteem.

 

[Vendel]

I guess to them, but it's vice versa in their opinion, many think your ideas are crap.

Do we really need to go though an AC time line? Their 'plausible' ideas were proven to be wrong every time.

Before AC-"Cloud obviously didn't live with Tifa in those two years
CoT-Cloud doesn't think of these people as his family(well they still say this)
After AC-"Cloud definitely wont move back in with Tifa"

And it goes on and on and on. All their ideas go on the assumption that not only did Cloud love Aerith during the game. He continues to be in mad love with her after her death.

From that assumption all these 'plausible' ideas are brought from.

 

[KissTheRain]

Who is many, and what ideas crap?

Lol, I simply meant Clotis believe Cloti and Cleriths believe Clerith and nothing is gonna change about that. You believe Cloud loves Tifa and not Aerith, whereas they see Cloud loving Aerith and not Tifa. It's taking two completely seperate routes and with no exact proof either one is true.

This is getting waaaayyy too much like religion. T_T

 

[Fighter]

Lol, I simply meant Clotis believe Cloti and Cleriths believe Clerith and nothing is gonna change about that. You believe Cloud loves Tifa and not Aerith, whereas they see Cloud loving Aerith and not Tifa. It's taking two completely seperate routes and with no exact proof either one is true.

And then there are those who believe there is no "exact proof" even when it's under their nose.

 

[Isabella]

"Cloud and Tifa come to realize their feelings for each other at the end of the story, and live together in AC and DoC."

^Seriously, how is that not proof?

 

[Vendel]

And then there are those who believe there is no "exact proof" even when it's under their nose.

Like that fucking youtard I was dealing with yesterday.

If they really were together, it would be written.

But like I said, let people believe what they want.

End of discussion.

*bangs head through a wall*