The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Eerie]

Yeah, Cloud thought, THOUGHT being the operative word.

But, that's just like Aerith saying that Cloud's her koibito!!! If she thinks he's her lover, then, he is!!! 3rd person views and truncated truths don't mean a thing!

 

[Max Payne]

But, that's just like Aerith saying that Cloud's her koibito!!! If she thinks he's her lover, then, he is!!! 3rd person views and truncated truths don't mean a thing!

Do I gotta cut a bitch?

 

[KissTheRain]

Yeah, Cloud thought, THOUGHT being the operative word.

Yes, and Cloud thinking something is in fact Cloud's feelings which people dig at for his relationships to the women. If Cloud feels that Aerith brought Denzel to him it is showing favor for Aerith as her being the one on Cloud's mind. At least that's how I think they see it and wouldn't really disagree.

 

[Max Payne]

Yes, and Cloud thinking something is in fact Cloud's feelings which people dig at for his relationships to the women. If Cloud feels that Aerith brought Denzel to him it is showing favor for Aerith as her being the one on Cloud's mind. At least that's how I think they see it and wouldn't really disagree.

what

 

[Frostwave]

what

+1

 

[Isabella]

+1000

Cloud's going to the church to seek forgiveness from Aerith and finds a kid who needs help. He thinks this is the answer he's searching for. And this = Cloud favoring Aerith how?

 

[KissTheRain]

what

I mean it doesn't neccisarly mean if it is true that Aerith brought Denzel to Cloud, but to Cloud she did so that's all that counts if your talking about Cloud's feelings.

 

[Max Payne]

I mean it doesn't neccisarly mean if it is true that Aerith brought Denzel to Cloud, but to Cloud she did so that's all that counts if your talking about Cloud's feelings.

How is thinking about one of his friends whose death he blames himself for, at the one location heavily associated with her, mean he's harboring any sort of romantic feelings regarding the situation?

 

[Celes Chere]

Well isn't it obvious they belong there, I mean they are dead...

That made me lol. XD KTR made a funny. Anyway, together as in they interact with one another, and are by eachothers side. The end of AC, walking out together- was changed in ACC. Now it looks like they're even closer. Also, the way they joke about Cloud is just adorable... C'mon!
Lol, Vennie. Quit offending people. You mean ol' Cloti.

If Cloud feels that Aerith brought Denzel to him it is showing favor for Aerith as her being the one on Cloud's mind. At least that's how I think they see it and wouldn't really disagree.

The problem I have with some of the Clerith fans, is that they have to realize (notice I said SOME) that Aerith isn't the only person in Cloud's mind. There are many people Cloud cares about, and Tifa is the only one that fits a different category from every other person he has met. Zack and Aerith were dear friends, and him remembering and honoring Aerith doesn't mean he's in love with her. It's Tifa who fixed him, healed him, was always there for him, shared mutual feelings with, etc. Tifa is the only person who has been referred to as more than a friend. I don't recall Aerith being called an important woman (not saying she isn't), and that she's something aside from a friend.
And if we're talking about Cloud's canon thoughts- how about his mind consisting only of Tifa? How about Cloud thanking Tifa especially, apart from everyone else, including Aerith? And finally, Cloud opened his heart ONLY to Tifa, said nothing changed since they were children, raise a family together, and started a new life together. Everything Cloud and Tifa have ever done, have been with one another. Tifa's always there to support Cloud, and Cloud is always trying to protect her. Cloud and Tifa... that's why they're an amazing couple. They've been through it all, thick and thin. They've overcome struggles, emotional and otherwise and have grown a stronger bond because of it.
In my opinion, Tifa has nothing to be jealous of. She and Cloud share many things that no-one else have ever shared in a relationship.

 

[Fighter]

I mean it doesn't neccisarly mean if it is true that Aerith brought Denzel to Cloud, but to Cloud she did so that's all that counts if your talking about Cloud's feelings.

How does that relate to Cloud's feelings?

 

[Vendel]

I mean it doesn't neccisarly mean if it is true that Aerith brought Denzel to Cloud, but to Cloud she did so that's all that counts if your talking about Cloud's feelings.

If I remember my CoT correctly doesn't Tifa think that Aerith brought Denzel to her? Because he is a victim of the sector 7 collapse?

Better yet I'll just quote it.

After Denzel recovered, she listened to his story about everything that happened to him before he arrived here. Then she thought to herself that he was supposed to come here. Denzel’s parents were among the victims when Sector Seven was destroyed.. The reason why Sector Seven was destroyed was because of AVALANCHE. That’s why I had to take responsibility and raise him. He met Cloud so that he could come to me.

In the end though Tifa thinks that Aerith brought Denzel to her and Cloud. When Cloud smiles I tend to think of that as agreement.

“Aerith brought Denzel to our home.”

Cloud gazed at Tifa and finally smiled.

Of course they could both be wrong and Aerith had nothing to do with it. But Cloud's feelings on the subject are not "special" because Tifa feels the exact same way.

 

[Fighter]

Denzel represents redemption for the both of them.

 

[Vendel]

Denzel represents redemption for the both of them.

Yes he does.

But more importantly. He is their son.

 

[KissTheRain]

That made me lol. XD KTR made a funny.

Well, I try. ...suceed xD

Anyway, together as in they interact with one another, and are by eachothers side. The end of AC, walking out together- was changed in ACC. Now it looks like they're even closer. Also, the way they joke about Cloud is just adorable... C'mon!

I do think Zerith is cute, but just that. Aerith and Zack seem more like old friends then lovers living out the past they didn't finish. I mean they are both obviously friends so joking is natural. Being closer in ACC? My gawd...thank you. I know now, they must be canon. Thank you so much really...I have not need to debate any pros for Clerith now. It's all dismissed. Jk, that would make me waayy less annoying and our lives would be over if we stopped this lame, pointless, immature debate.

I don't recall Aerith being called an important woman (not saying she isn't), and that she's something aside from a friend.

No I suppose not, but she is "engraved in Cloud's heart for the rest of his life." Now you say there is no strong feelings...

In my opinion, Tifa has nothing to be jealous of. She and Cloud share many things that no-one else have ever shared in a relationship.

Ha, unless it comes out canon (not saying it will U.U) that Cloud loves Aerith. I mean I would be jealous, that's why I prefer Cloud single.

If I remember my CoT correctly doesn't Tifa think that Aerith brought Denzel to her? Because he is a victim of the sector 7 collapse?

Don't know i'll check. But if there are strokes of AerTi, I am perfectly fine with that.

Yes...
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/yunasaeonsrock/Nobody_Loves_Cloud_by_AtomicFirebal.jpg

 

[I Am Not Me]

Uhh, so are you really a neutral, KTR?

Aerith and Zack seem more like old friends then lovers living out the past they didn't finish.

Are you serious? I mean, are you really serious about that statement? Because that just does not fit in CC. Zerith is probably more canon than Aerith is a Cetra, imo.

Also, I imagine an Aerith and Zack reunion as something of a playful one, as it's both in their nature. Joking around with each other shows just how comfortable they are with each other (ya know, like they moved on from the past), and reminds us about what kind of characters they are.

Anyway, how can they even seem like living out anything? They're dead.

that's why I prefer Cloud single.

Lies. You prefer Clack.

No I suppose not, but she is "engraved in Cloud's heart for the rest of his life." Now you say there is no strong feelings...

It doesn't have to be romantic for a girl to be engraved in a man's heart for the rest of his life. Mothers, sisters, relatives, good friends... they can be women forever engraved in men's hearts. Remember, through our lives, we'll make good friends of the opposite sex. We'll treat them as family and love them as such, but there doesn't have to be anything romantic in it.

We accept that Cloud has strong feelings for Aerith. But these feelings need not be romantic. He has strong feelings for Zack too, don't forget. After the Lifestream scene in FFVII, we see who was the center of Cloud's story, and this was who he was actually said to have fallen in love with. And no, it's not Sephiroth.

 

[paoo]

After the Lifestream scene in FFVII, we see who was the center of Cloud's story, and this was who he was actually said to have fallen in love with. And no, it's not Sephiroth.

Zack.

 

[Vendel]

Zack.

Stop it, stop it, STOP IT, STOP IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!

 

[I Am Not Me]

You shouldn't give away the answer like that, xAerith.



Edit: Look at poor Vendel being shocked. We have to be gentle about this. Most rapids are not willing to admit they're wrong.

 

[paoo]

Stop it, stop it, STOP IT, STOP IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!

But that's the truth.

You shouldn't give away the answer like that, xAerith.



Edit: Look at poor Vendel being shocked. We have to be gentle about this. Most rapids are not willing to admit they're wrong.

I just lol'd at him. He will be fine... I'll turn him into a Clack anyway. But as you say, most rapids can't admit it. So it will take awhile >D

And Mei, I actually don't think you're being gentle about the "Clack being canon" thingy.

"But as we all know........ CLACK IS CANON!!!!!!!!!!!1123 stupid clotis, cleriths hahaha lololol" < You

 

[Fairheartstrife]

No I suppose not, but she is "engraved in Cloud's heart for the rest of his life." Now you say there is no strong feelings...

I don't recall anyone saying that Cloud didn't harbor strong feelings for Aerith. He can most certainly love her--and I believe he does--without being in love with her. Love isn't a cut/dry singular emotion. And for Cloud--ripped up, fucked up, peeled apart and sewn back together--his attachments to people are particularly intense.

Aerith is a candle burning in his heart. Tifa's the fucking sun of his life.

 

[Dashell]

The problem I have with some of the Clerith fans, is that they have to realize (notice I said SOME) that Aerith isn't the only person in Cloud's mind. There are many people Cloud cares about, and Tifa is the only one that fits a different category from every other person he has met. Zack and Aerith were dear friends, and him remembering and honoring Aerith doesn't mean he's in love with her. It's Tifa who fixed him, healed him, was always there for him, shared mutual feelings with, etc.

Where is this mutual feelings thing?

... and the problem a lot of Cleriths have with Clotis is they have to realize that Tifa isn't the only person in Cloud's mind. I said some

And I always thought Denzel meant redemption for both Tifa and Cloud as well. I also don't believe Aerith had anything to do with their meeting. I mean how exactly did she lead him there?... it's not like she can just call him on the phone and have him... oh wait....

Tifa is the only person who has been referred to as more than a friend. I don't recall Aerith being called an important woman (not saying she isn't), and that she's something aside from a friend.

Important doesn't equal romance. There have been several quotes that imply that Aerith is important to Cloud but it's always dismissed as "JUST FRIENDS!" but any time a quote saying Tifa is important comes up it's "OMG ROMANCE!" I realize Cleriths like to blow things out of proportion, but that doesn't mean you have to disprove every single Clerith quote or find Cloti in everything.

And before you throw quotes at me, I'm talking about ones that don't imply romance. A lot of them do but not all and I don't think being "important" does.

And if we're talking about Cloud's canon thoughts- how about his mind consisting only of Tifa?

... uh what? You just said there are several people in Cloud's mind... make up your mind dude

How about Cloud thanking Tifa especially, apart from everyone else, including Aerith?

Doesn't mean romance.

And finally, Cloud opened his heart ONLY to Tifa, said nothing changed since they were children, raise a family together, and started a new life together.

There, now you got it. This is the big one. Moving in and raising a family and starting a new life together. THAT most definitely means something is going on and it's more than friendship.

Everything Cloud and Tifa have ever done, have been with one another.

No.

Tifa's always there to support Cloud, and Cloud is always trying to protect her.

Except when Loz attacks
I'm sure Cloud would protect all his friends really, but the support thing is very much true.

Cloud and Tifa... that's why they're an amazing couple. They've been through it all, thick and thin. They've overcome struggles, emotional and otherwise and have grown a stronger bond because of it.

I concur.

In my opinion, Tifa has nothing to be jealous of. She and Cloud share many things that no-one else have ever shared in a relationship.

Well it's been stated officially that Tifa was jealous of Aerith. Whether or not she should have been is up to you I guess. I don't think she had anything to be jealous of really, but wasn't Tifa also kinda jealous of Cloud when Denzel learned to clean from him?... I guess it it's just who she is.

 

[Vendel]

Somehow I am still amazed I can be shocked at what I find in the land of pink.

A discussion about Tifa's role in the family "mother or Sister". Of course it's mostly about how bad of a mother she is. How she really doesn't love her children like a mother would. What her relationship to Cloud is. Anything but lover apparently.

But the kicker is this. The hypocrisy.

Spoiler

They go on and on about Tifa's motherly feelings towards Cloud and how that is so important. Because it means they are not fucking I guess.
But for Clouds one true love? Well it's only natural she would seem motherly. WHAT WOMAN WOULDN'T TAKE CARE OF HER MAN?

Wayne Brady needs to choke a bitch.

 

[Frostwave]

I blorched upon reading those quotes.

That is all. Needs no rebuttal.

*runs for the Pepto*

 

[Madame Mayor]

WHAT WOMAN WOULDN'T TAKE CARE OF HER MAN?

A dead one.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Well it's been stated officially that Tifa was jealous of Aerith. Whether or not she should have been is up to you I guess. I don't think she had anything to be jealous of really, but wasn't Tifa also kinda jealous of Cloud when Denzel learned to clean from him?... I guess it it's just who she is.

Maybe because Tifa cleans better than Cloud and she doesn't want Denzel to learn from how badly he does it?

But it isn't that abnormal to be jealous of someone who showed obvious interest in the guy you love, and who may have shown interest back. Even when she's dead, Tifa could still show jealousy of Aerith when it seems like Cloud's more worried about the dead than the living. And then of course you have Cloud defeating his memories and getting over his past failures. So Tifa realizes he does cherish the people who are alive with him today, he was just scared of failing them.