Re: Love Triangle Discussion
[quote author=Channy link=topic=53.msg28952#msg28952 date=1236669749]
oshi, I'm totally surrounded by Cloti, aren't I?
orite, I totally forgot that he had to save Tifa first. I just linked the playground scene to Aerith and put two and two together to try and make five.
oops.
osure, go right for the throat when he totally doesn't save Aerith. D; That's brutal man. I dunno, I just kinda remember that moment as him going so far to try and find her, finds her, is almost brainwashed to kill her himself but then snaps out of it in the nick of time.... and then she gets skewered. >_>[/quote]
The thing about that bit, though, is that it takes Tifa to get Cloud to even get him to go after her at that point. And it takes Cloud's current party members (Default is Tifa to call out IIRC, since she gets put into the party in the correct slot) calling out for him to stop.
Well, not to mention that after she's dead he has many outspoken "I think she wants us to do... go here... save this..." moments. Which, while not pushing Tifa away, kinda disarms her advances imo.
But all of those moment are related to saving the world, to make her death not in vain, and I don't think that's really relevant to advances or anything. It's really just prioritizing so they all don't bite the big one.
Holy shit I totally never realized that. SYMBOLISM FTW. But like.. he was reaching for Aerith's hand in the first place.
Well, if you're going by Maiden, she's guiding him back to the real world, to Tifa, and Cloud was only reaching reflexively. If you go by the UO, it's just 'the hand in the light', which changes into Tifa's hand.
Taking it to be Aerith's hand, it's essentially a kick in the teeth to people expecting Aerith's miraculous last minute resurrection, if not to C/A people too. It's essentially a 'Here you- Oops, no, aren't you an idiot for thinking that!' move. It's almost artfully mean, just like undermining all of Aerith's romantic advances (and various C/A proofz) by making them related to Zack.
Well I like to root for the underdog. Considering some of the creators at Squoft said "We have two heroines here, what do we do?" "Well, let's kill one off!" I just can't help but feel for the tragedy that is Clerith. The two had a touching moment on the Gondola, in which Aerith states she wants to know the REAL Cloud, and not just see him as the Zack carbon copy she saw before. We don't get to see much else if you don't have her in your party because well... the inevitable happens. >_>
See, I think all that is supposed to get us ready for major plot twist 1 and then leave us ready for major plot twist 2, when we learn about Cloud's true self and his real motivations. A lot of the game is there to make more sense upon recollection.
[quote author=Channy link=topic=53.msg28957#msg28957 date=1236670830]
It says so in the FFVII: Ultimania Love Triangle Guide, page 593 paragraph 3, live 5, words 8, 9, and 10. "Cloud loves Aerith".
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Funny that it took them 593 pages of a guide dedicated to the subject to get to the point.
Oh wait, words 11, 12, and 13. 'like a mother'.
And I know that they didn't know each other at the same level as Tifa and Cloud. But where's your sense of love at first sight, man? D;
In Crisis Core, with Zack and Aerith. Where we're given even the barest hint that it's happening.
And regarding the Cloti past, something else irks me. You have this punky little kid chasing after this girl. He likes her, a lot. He tries to play with her, interact with her, but she's a complete bitch to him. Granted, her mother DID just die, but she didn't disregard her other friends as much as she shunned Cloud when he wanted to see her.
She let him into the group, how is that disregarding him? She's given the choice to let him in, and we know that's the first Time Cloud had seen inside her room. So she did let him in. And Cloud admits that he was sort of sabotaging himself by getting into fights and such.
But it takes a grand gesture as falling off a cliff for her, for this girl to realize "Hey, this guy likes me."
I don't think she did realize he liked her. I think they were both nervous that the other might not like them. We do know that she thought he was cute back then.
Aerith was just simply impressed by the fact that he was willing enough to protect her from some shady guys.
And his incidental yet pervading resemblance to Zack, which tinged all of her interactions with him.
Jaysus you people aren't going to let me Clorith in peace, are you? I haven't played the game in a few years, so my recollections are a little hazy, as was the Cloud saves Aerith from Corneo, owait no that was Tifa event.