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[Strangelove]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

LE = (Dirge of Cerberus) Lost Episode

DC: LE and LO are titles outside of the Compilation.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Wouldn't that be 'outside titles in the compilation'? DOC:LE is included in the Compilation of FF7 section on the JP S-E page.

 

[Strangelove]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

?? (?????????…???????…?????????) like that is usually attached to show something is excluded or apart from whatever it's joined to, which in this case was 'Compilation/??????????'. The fact that it's with 'Compilation' rather than ?? leads me to think it's 'outside of the Compilation'.

 

[Tennyo]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

So wait, I'm confused. DoC isn't a part of the Compilation anymore? :/

 

[Strangelove]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

DC is, it's just that DC:LE isn't according to that.

 

[Tennyo]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Ah I see. I guess it makes sense. LE would be the online stuff, right? Or am I wrong? Because the online stuff really had no baring on anything else in the Comp.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

No, DC Lost Episode is that shitty cell phone game that came out that covers an incredibly tiny portion of the main game, which should've been apart of the main game anyways.

DC online has a lot of bearing on the Compilation since its the backstory of the villains of DC and shows just what the fuck DG really is. XD

 

[Ryushikaze]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

I thought it was noting that they were made by outside producers, which both of them were, but it's quite odd to say 'You're outta here!' while noting them as important to the story in the U10 and putting all the character appearances from them on the opposite page.

 

[Tetsujin]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=53.msg23671#msg23671 date=1235676140]
People have to right to believe what they want, so if some don't believe the Ultimanias are canon then they aren't as far as they go and they are allowed to make up whatever reality they want. Same goes for people who claim the Holocaust never happened, and on that note Hitler is totally excused from everything.
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Denying the holocaust is against the law though. The authorities seemed to have deemed it undeniable canon in their Ultimania criminal code.

And I agree, are you sure it doesn't mean titles made by external sources rather than titles outside of the compilation? I mean, LE is essentially a part of DC somewhat which itself IS part of the compilation...*is confused*

 

[Makoeyes987]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

They're important because while outside the continuity of the Compilation, they still show some pertinent themes that are consistent with the Compilation as a whole.

Last Order is one big continuity fuck up, but it still shows the basic elements of "Zack got killed saving Cloud", "Sephy went crazy", "Cloud loves Tifa and protects her", etc etc.

But one of those installments is so piss poor and boring it really doesn't matter, and the other is a continuity mish mash animated by Madhouse. It's really not surprising they'd say that.

@Tetsujin

ROTFLMAO.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

The only major cockup in LO (that didn't remain in CC) is Sephy jumping not getting tossed, and technically it'd overwrite that anyways.
Or are you talking about the bullet that rings out at the end? Because I don't think that was intended to be the bullet that killed him.

Also:
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/mobile/dcleff7/
The compilation symbol is still on the DoC:LE website.

 

[Goodbye Charlie]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Yes those bullets are often a common misconception in my opinion. LO finishes where FF7 pretty much starts off.. and FF7 doesn't start off with Zack being killed by a bullet in the back of the truck - they're on the run from bring attacked.. which is where LO ended. Simple.

Though I think Mako was referring to the Sephiroth scene. Which never bothered me, though I appreciate it crawed many avid followers from various FF7 factions.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Where is that page that says those two installments are outside the Compilation even from anyways? I missed it.

LOL, I wish that was the only major mistake in LO. Tifa being awake and conscious to see Cloud save her really throws a wrench in FFVII's main plot. You know...kinda makes Tifa's claim of not knowing or seeing Cloud save her, somewhat contradictory when we see them both sharing a touching reunion before Sephiroth marches out carrying his mommy's head.

Then you've got the clusterfuck of how Zack and Cloud discover Nibelheim ablaze together. Cloud was supposed to have been laid out, unconscious and Zack went on without him. Then he makes it there on his own and secretly goes in and defeats Sephiroth.

There's the place where Tifa's father died, that's all wrong. All sorts of details that just add up and make it just extremely...bizarre.

And I don't think the bullet even hit Zack. I think it was just a rogue shot that let Zack know that they were being targeted and they had to run. I think it's going to be incorporated in ACC too. Since we see Zack quickly shield Cloud in the truck bed. Which is kinda from LO.

 

[Tennyo]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Tetsujin link=topic=53.msg23771#msg23771 date=1235683509]
[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=53.msg23671#msg23671 date=1235676140]
People have to right to believe what they want, so if some don't believe the Ultimanias are canon then they aren't as far as they go and they are allowed to make up whatever reality they want. Same goes for people who claim the Holocaust never happened, and on that note Hitler is totally excused from everything.
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Denying the holocaust is against the law though. The authorities seemed to have deemed it undeniable canon in their Ultimania criminal code.
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XD I was thinking about saying exactly what you just said, Tet. But yeah that was actually an argument I got on another forum. The Hitler part I just added in to be over the top but they really did bring up how for people who deny the holocaust it means that the holocaust "doesn't exist for them" just as the canon of the Ultimanias doesn't exist for the people who think they aren't canon.

I know it's messed up.

Could be that the person I was arguing with is from the US, though. Denying the Holocaust, unfortunately, isn't illegal here as far as I'm aware. Doesn't mean that smart people don't think those people are all idiots, though.

And not that this person was denying it, they were just being people who did into the discussion.

 

[Strangelove]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

LE wasn't made by an outside company, was it?

Not that I know, I've never played. I just assumed it was Square

 

[Makoeyes987]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

No, Lost Episode was created here in the US first. By an outside company. I can't remember it though, but they did an interview with the designers.

So yeah, it's outside work contracted by Square.

 

[Strangelove]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Well then maybe that's why they aren't considered part of the Compilation, then

 

[Rinoa]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

The fact that it's with 'Compilation' rather than ?? leads me to think it's 'outside of the Compilation'.

Confusingly, the whole the page basically describes "the compilation of FF7 consists of all this", including LO LE whatever.

That outside phrase was a faint footnote under the release dates, and LO and LE were labelled with that footnote - yet they were still listed as part of the compilation. Sure those are not quite the same as the in-house productions, but.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=53.msg23802#msg23802 date=1235688696]
Where is that page that says those two installments are outside the Compilation even from anyways? I missed it.

LOL, I wish that was the only major mistake in LO.[/quote]

That did not get tossed with CC, I said. I am aware that most of it got tossed again.

Tifa being awake and conscious to see Cloud save her really throws a wrench in FFVII's main plot. You know...kinda makes Tifa's claim of not knowing or seeing Cloud save her, somewhat contradictory when we see them both sharing a touching reunion before Sephiroth marches out carrying his mommy's head.

While odd, the 10th Ani Ultimania says 'they don't remember things until the lifestream', and the dialogue of their convo comes from the original game.

Then you've got the clusterfuck of how Zack and Cloud discover Nibelheim ablaze together. Cloud was supposed to have been laid out, unconscious and Zack went on without him. Then he makes it there on his own and secretly goes in and defeats Sephiroth.

There's the place where Tifa's father died, that's all wrong. All sorts of details that just add up and make it just extremely...bizarre.

I agree. But all of that got reset with CC. And technically would have been the official version til it got rerewritten. Han shot first until Greedo did til they shot simultaneously.

And I don't think the bullet even hit Zack. I think it was just a rogue shot that let Zack know that they were being targeted and they had to run. I think it's going to be incorporated in ACC too. Since we see Zack quickly shield Cloud in the truck bed. Which is kinda from LO.

They don't seem to want to get rid of it despite everything, and they still act like it's a worthwhile part of the story.


To add to the is/not part of the comp discussion, LE is still in the Compilation section of the JP FF page, and the meteor 'this is part of the compilation' is still displayed in its page.

 

[Username.]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

oh man.....gone are the days where you could just easily debate this topic too much has happened in the compilation, i am lost.

 

[Tetsujin]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

And I don't think the bullet even hit Zack. I think it was just a rogue shot that let Zack know that they were being targeted and they had to run. I think it's going to be incorporated in ACC too. Since we see Zack quickly shield Cloud in the truck bed. Which is kinda from LO.

It's more or less an exact recreation (and expansion) of that last scene imo.

 

[Suzaku]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Right. ACC shows the exact same scene with Zack before the gunshot, leaning on top of the roof of the car, then he dives down to cover Cloud. Cloud's even sitting in the exact same position, with his arm on his lap.

If you combine everything, you'd get a complete timeline of the moments leading up to his death.

 

[Tetsujin]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Also, the way Zack and Cloud quickly got off the truck in CC and how fast it drove away once they were off led me to believe that they were already being chased by ShinRa and that this was a connection to LO. Now it's pretty much confirmed.

 

[A]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

The Final Fantasy VII 10th Anniversary Potion is coming back, with a new revised Compilation of Final Fantasy VII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, in honor of Final Fantasy VII Advent Children Complete’s release. It’ll not only be revised but also enlarged with even more information on the world of FFVII. It will be released April 16, 2009 and you can bet we’ll be posting translations from that as well.

Credit goes to the Lifestream.net news, of course.
I was wondering what you guys think of on these 'revisions' they'll be making. Revisions, as in, The Love Triangle for example? Is it possible?

 

[Restless]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=butterflybookmark link=topic=53.msg27820#msg27820 date=1236336334]

The Final Fantasy VII 10th Anniversary Potion is coming back, with a new revised Compilation of Final Fantasy VII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, in honor of Final Fantasy VII Advent Children Complete’s release. It’ll not only be revised but also enlarged with even more information on the world of FFVII. It will be released April 16, 2009 and you can bet we’ll be posting translations from that as well.

Credit goes to the Lifestream.net news, of course.
I was wondering what you guys think of on these 'revisions' they'll be making. Revisions, as in, The Love Triangle for example? Is it possible?
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I'm guessing revisions include stuff that was expanded on in the Compilation; some stuff was changed since the original game, so it probably is going to sort that out (and maybe explain the differences in plot between BC/LO, CC, and FFVII). But with this expanded universe, we've seen much more Cloti interactions and Zerith interaction. Maybe the love triangle stuff will be expanded about in the book as well. It's a nice thought