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Joker

We have come to terms
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Godot
If fanwank seriously effects your enjoyment of the source material, then it's probably best to avoid fandom. Once it does, I think that's the point you start taking fandom too seriously. It's supposed to be a positive thing - all the negative people can gtfo as far as I'm concerned. That is, unless it's a hate fandom :monster:

Though I find it a little funny when people say FF7 is crazy. Sure there's a lot of vitriol, but it's pretty miniscule compared to a lot of others. Since I'm on an HP kick right now, but does anyone remember the shit that went down in Potter fandom in between book releases?
Fair enough.

However, TLS is my main socializing site.

I can't run from it here. :monster:
 

Joker

We have come to terms
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Godot
I totally get it. I've had some extremely positive interactions related to "Twilight," but I still think it's shit.
Well, there you go. :monster:

Also, I lol'd.

At both the HP part and the Twilight part. xD

I get that I'm frustrating, but I tend to march to the beat of my own drum.
 

Obsidian Fire

Ahk Morn!
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The Engineer
Simply put, my opinions of things are based on what I think of them.
Aren't everyone's?
What I think can be influenced by others.
I see this as a choice everyone has to make; our thoughts aren't influenced by other people's thoughts automatically. We let our thoughts be influenced by them.
However, anything I have experienced that relates to whatever the thing in question is will be associated with that, and will also have some influence.
But only if we let that experience be associated with whatever the thing in question is.

for the full experience, I have to play CC, BC, and DoC, and see ACC, the Case of's, etc. Fuck that.
Oddly enough, this was one of the aspects I liked the most about FFVII; there was so much plot for me to sink my teeth into. Then again, I'm one of those people who prefer an overly-complicated, obscure plot with parts if missing over a obvious plot where everything has been mapped out for me.
 

Joker

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Godot
Surprisingly, my experiences at TLS influence my desire to play FFVII :monster:

And yeah, I choose to be open-minded, because I know that I'm fallible and am entirely capable of being wrong. Plus, I like knowing what people think.

And I love overly-complicated stuff (I have been designated the Dessies librarian by way of my encyclopedic knowledge of major and minor details), but it seems more of a way to exploit the fans' love of the game. Like X-2. I would not buy another FFX game, ever - not even a prequel. Not unless I had a damn good reason to think it was amazing.
 

Dana Scully

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Though I find it a little funny when people say FF7 is crazy. Sure there's a lot of vitriol, but it's pretty miniscule compared to a lot of others. Since I'm on an HP kick right now, but does anyone remember the shit that went down in Potter fandom in between book releases?

I remember when JKR had the audacity to laugh at a joke about H/Hr shippers, and there was so. much. rage. I've yet to see anything FF7-related that comes close to the fury of the HSS Harmony.

Then there's the people that take it extremely seriously and tl;dr every part of a conversation. This makes conversing about it an unwanted hassle, because then you have to watch every tiny thing you say so you don't have to have your choice of syntax picked apart just for saying "you know, I don't really like Vincent as a member of the battle party", resulting in the conversation ultimately being about Hojo's true feelings about Lucrecia and his son.

This. Over-analyzing ruined every single novel I ever read in high school English, and it can definitely be a turn-off with games too. While I can see why some people enjoy it, for me it just turns what was once an enjoyable story into a massive colour-coded thesis of boring. It takes the magic out of it.
 

The Twilight Mexican

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TresDias
Finding a good balance between over-analyzing something to the point it stops being enjoyable and just experiencing it and enjoying it was difficult for me, though I eventually did it. Didn't participate in discussing FF online for like three years at one point before it happened, though. :monster:

It was a good lesson.
 

Obsidian Fire

Ahk Morn!
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The Engineer
This. Over-analyzing ruined every single novel I ever read in high school English, and it can definitely be a turn-off with games too. While I can see why some people enjoy it, for me it just turns what was once an enjoyable story into a massive colour-coded thesis of boring. It takes the magic out of it.
It all depends how you analyze it. If it's finding symbolism in every object/gesture/conversation when the creators don't say anything about it, then it's over-analyzing. If it's noticing that one potential love interest dies and the other one lives so probably the intended pairing is with the love interest that lives, then it's not. That's called coming to an obvious conclusion.
 

OneWingedDemon

NOT AMUSED
I don't know. I absolutely think one's enjoyment of a work can be influenced by outside factors. It's largely personal preference and our likes or dislikes aren't always rational. Anything can really skew one's feelings.

Personally, I don't find myself falling into this too often. But I can see why people would be put off by a fandom, let's say, and not touch the work itself. I know people who get pissed by an author's attitude and vow to never read their books. I object to it because the two are separate, but we don't quite work like robots.
 

Celes Chere

Banned
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Noctis
Tiff: It's called having an open mind. It means your opinion is never set in stone and can almost always be changed, and sometimes results in admitting that you're wrong

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Um... I never said anyone didn't have an open mind. O_o And I didn't think I was being closed minded about the matter, just saying what I think as usual. 'Cause it's a Forum... and uh, people tend to do that. Yes... I often admit I am wrong, but when it comes to this matter no one is right or wrong, because people will have different views on this. There is no fact when it comes to this subject, only opinions.

So here I was just enjoying the game, and suddenly all the retarded LTD bullshit is brought up in my mind and I'm ike "ugh, why am I playing this again?" Or the retranslation ridiculousness is brought up, or the hatred between opposing ships.

Lol, really? xD I never think like that playing a game, I just sit back and enjoy it, that's what it's meant for. And when I'm playing it, I'm enjoying it from my view, not anyone else's. Sucks to have Vendel's voice in your head though, man. BD Might want to get that checked out, because that might drive anyone to insanity. xD

I'm not allowed to dislike FFIX, either, so I can't say I'm surprised at the way a "I'm not up FFVII's ass like so many other people are" response would be =/

Who said you aren't allowed to? It's not really even about FFVII we're talking anymore - at least me, I've been talking about fan actions/opinions affecting someone's view. xD I prefer VI and IV to VII any day! And tbh, back in the day when people actually argued about whether Locke loved Terra or Celes, it didn't change how I looked at the game... AT ALL.
 

Katara

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Wolfie
Honestly, you'll find this kind of thing for any media, or any game for that matter. For example, I love the game Okami, but on another site I had mentioned that and another member went on this whole ragefest about how terrible the art is and a bunch of other things that really had less to do with the game itself - storywise speaking - and more to their personal opinions and how it caused all of their friends to play it instead of their favorite game. That's all fine, but imo there's a pretty clear line between "I don't like this because of the story" and "I don't like this because it's more popular than this game".

I guess my view on this can be summed up with fandoms are fucking insane, both in the analyzing every detail and hating an "opposing" fandom with every fibre of their being. Part of video games is that they're for entertainment, but when people start getting at each others' throats over miniscule details...it starts to get a bit ridiculous.
Before anyone takes offense at the fandoms are insane comment, I do include myself in that, so yeah lol.
 

Joker

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Godot
Okay... so in the instance of something you already like being destroyed.... why would you let it? I see that you willingly peek into the LTD thread. If you don't like that aspect and it bothers you so much, why spend time reading it if it's only going to displease you? XD I mean you've clearly read enough to know how crazy the LTD is, why say "I don't want to play this game anymore because the fans are stupid". I love Resonance of Fate for instance, but not many people do. Apparently it's a shit game, but I am not just going to start believing that, lol. I love the game, and I love playing it, so why should what anyone else say matters? There's even an LTD for that game - I like participating in LTDs though so it's not as big of an annoyance for me, but the strange ideas from other fans aren't going to push me away from something that I already love. It's like being teased for liking Anime - I don't give a fuck. I like it, so what gives? XD
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Um... I never said anyone didn't have an open mind. O_o And I didn't think I was being closed minded about the matter, just saying what I think as usual. 'Cause it's a Forum... and uh, people tend to do that. Yes... I often admit I am wrong, but when it comes to this matter no one is right or wrong, because people will have different views on this. There is no fact when it comes to this subject, only opinions.
Does it make more sense now? :P

That is - why listen to them? Because I have an open mind. xD

Or, really - I have a closed mind, because I can't NOT listen.
 
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Dashell

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Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
I always hate it when people act like their opinions are the only possibly way it can be and then accuse others of not having an open mind.

As for letting a fandom ruin your favorite thing... well I'm a Sonic fan and I've been in the fandom yet I still like Sonic, that should let you know where I stand on that matter.
 

Kobato

Pro Adventurer
NightTerrorX99 Yes because you totally had a personality disorder, stabbed in the chest, contracted AIDS,

Lol. Didn't know that Cloud had AIDS :awesome: When did this happen ?!
 
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Dashell

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uhm... I'm sorry what?

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Don't get me wrong I like the part where Cloud got aids I just don't know what you're talking about.
 
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Splintered

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I don't know. I absolutely think one's enjoyment of a work can be influenced by outside factors. It's largely personal preference and our likes or dislikes aren't always rational. Anything can really skew one's feelings.

Personally, I don't find myself falling into this too often. But I can see why people would be put off by a fandom, let's say, and not touch the work itself. I know people who get pissed by an author's attitude and vow to never read their books. I object to it because the two are separate, but we don't quite work like robots.
I kind of see this as well. I think that fandom is part of what makes an experience enjoyable. I would love FFVII regardless, but it's fun to go on boards and get into arguments/discussions about the story.

I think the problem comes with overexposure to someone's fanbase. After awhile it becomes tedious, almost political, in everything that happens. So, after awhile it becomes hard to enjoy anything.
 

Kobato

Pro Adventurer
uhm... I'm sorry what?

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Don't get me wrong I like the part where Cloud got aids I just don't know what you're talking about.

Oh. That's what one of the member's of gamefaqs said in the topic. I think it's on the second to last page. Read through it, it's quite funny.
 

Ite

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Ite
Well, Geostigma kind of works like AIDS. I see what the guy was trying to say, he was trying to make a fantasy-disease relateable by associating it with a similar irl affliction. He didn't explain himself, and the logic-leap is kind of dumb, but well intentioned.
 

Mariketsu

I Am the Darkness, I'm the Monster
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Razael
On the current topic for the last few pages, I'd like to add to it.

My old bestie, whom I've known for the last 6 almost 7 years, often tried to get me into alot of games she has, some I honestly had no clear interest in whatsoever. She had a tendency to sit there for hours and play games while I watched (which I don't mind doing) but she would constantly talk about how cool of a game it was, trying to grab for straws in it to relate to the things I like, etc etc. She honestly annoyed me so much with it that she turned me off from alot of them, namely Dark Cloud, Disgaea 2, Fable 2, and others. I was actually a little interested in Star Ocean: 'Til the End of Time but, like I said, she messed it up because she was trying too hard to get me interested in it. And when it was a game I clearly had no interest in, I would tell her I didn't, but she'd keep trying to get me into it and such.

I know some of you guys prolly think I shouldn't let this affect my opinion on said games, but srsly, she really annoyed me horribly over it. She was basically trying to push them on me and such. I don't hate aforementioned games, just killed any interest I had in them tho I may go back to them someday. (And to add, I did have alot of initial drama with her when we first became friends, that included as well as other things. She was very self-centered when we first met, but that's a long story.) Anyway, this prolly goes along the lines of ending up with a negative reaction. The few I did like that she actually showed me (tho it was moreso because it caught my attention faster than she ranted about it) were Kingdom Hearts and Xenosaga III.

Another, but positive example is my boyfriend, Jesse. See, I initially was not interested in FFVIII at least not for a while, but Jesse eventually explained the story a little bit and such and I watched him play it at his house and he started to get me into it. (FFVIII is his favorite FF more or less, tho he loves most of the other FFs as well). Eventually I do look forward to playing FFVIII because of it and he also was the one who got me into Supernatural as well :lol:. I think the reason he didn't turn me away like my old bestie did was because he didn't bombard me with it and rant about it constantly. He sorta, edged me in at a slower pace, I guess you could say xD.

But, those are 2 different confrontations I had with garnering interest in games (and movies to a degree). I myself would say that outside forces do sometimes have an influence on things, but it doesn't always have to be permanently ruined. For some it may be, but for others, it isn't. I believe it also depends on how a person tries to get you interested in whatever game/movie/book/etc they like too, considering that people are different and certain ways can rub some the wrong way, like my bestie did by trying to bombard me with it. As well, stated by Omega, it also can work in the opposite direction. In the end, it's possible I may go and try them again one day, but for now, no.

As for fandoms, I normally don't let fandoms ruin something for me, tho some things certain fandoms do tend to annoy me quite a bit (like the twitards who want to bombard people with their opinion that they believe Twilight is a "literary masterpiece" when it isn't >_>). Yes, I do enjoy Twilight, but only for the romance story, not falling all over how hot the vampires and werewolves are and such. Plus, I make fun of it a lot too so I'm only a casual fan :awesome:. Anyway, fandoms can annoy me, depending on certain things, but I do agree it's also part of the fun of liking something too. So that's my input.

~ Raz
 
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Misaka

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I-it's not like I wanted you to know my ACF username or anything! I-idiot! (Magitek)
In the news: all other FF fans hate FFVII, except for fans of FFVII. Everyone else is wrong!
 

Dana Scully

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My old bestie, whom I've known for the last 6 almost 7 years, often tried to get me into alot of games she has, some I honestly had no clear interest in whatsoever. She had a tendency to sit there for hours and play games while I watched (which I don't mind doing) but she would constantly talk about how cool of a game it was, trying to grab for straws in it to relate to the things I like, etc etc. She honestly annoyed me so much with it that she turned me off from alot of them, namely Dark Cloud, Disgaea 2, Fable 2, and others. I was actually a little interested in Star Ocean: 'Til the End of Time but, like I said, she messed it up because she was trying too hard to get me interested in it. And when it was a game I clearly had no interest in, I would tell her I didn't, but she'd keep trying to get me into it and such.

I can definitely see why this would be a turnoff. I can sympathize with your friend, though - it's easy to get really enthusiastic about something to the point of not shutting up about it and all you end up doing is irritating everyone, leaving you a sad, lonely panda who just wanted someone to share the love with.

I have to say the hate base for FF7 bothers me a helluva lot less than the lack-of-fanbase for FF Tactics. So underrated.
 

Joker

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Godot
And only FF fans bought FFVII, right? =/

Also, he is trolling. You're feeding him with that reply.


I have to say the hate base for FF7 bothers me a helluva lot less than the lack-of-fanbase for FF Tactics. So underrated.
THIS TIMES 9001

SO F'ING GOOD HNNNNNNGH
 

Misaka

You d-dummy!
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I-it's not like I wanted you to know my ACF username or anything! I-idiot! (Magitek)
That must by why FFVII is one of the best selling games in the series then.

It's only cause you and all the other FF7 fanbois broke your copy of the game several times in a fit of rage when Aerith dies.
 
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