The Hobbit

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HFR has really spoiled me. I notice frametearing on quick pans all the time in movies now, especially because I know why it happens. Additionally, did the scenes of Smaug attacking Dale still seem to move a little bit quickly for anyone? I didn't notice anything that seemed to be a little too fast in this film aside from those old scenes.


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Yeah, Dale seemed to have the weird "sped-up" feeling that I sometimes got in AUJ which was less so in this movie.
I think HFR starts to look odd when you move the camera too fast or shake it too much because the image just becomes sort of...twitchy? Don't know if that is the right word. :P

Which is why I'd personally like to see experimenting with varying framerates within the same picture. I would probably have closeups and dialogues in a more traditional framerate and higher ones for the action and camera pans and landscape/aerial shots. I wonder how that'd look. :P

Also, that damn cliffhanger. :wacky:
I figured they'd deal with Smaug in this one. Although not having read the book I have no idea what the next one would be about then. :P

I might watch it again next month. It's been a while since I've seen a movie in cinema multiple times but I know it's gonna be a while until I can watch it in HFR again...
 
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I turned off any kind of framerate enhancement / 'stutter protection' / whatever from my TV, everything looked like it was constantly fast forwarding which is shit, :monster:
 

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@Yop: I agree that the correction on TVs looks shit, probably because it's just attempting to automatically approximate that effect. Proper HFR is really impressive.



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Saw it last week, and I liked. There seemed in instances that the direction and story seemed to fit Tolkien's later wish to encase The Hobbit's story a bit more into the LOTR, an exaple being the more significance in the movie that's given to the Ring, as far as I can tell. I really liked freeman's acting, which doens't get as much credit as deserved, so much being portayed by just his gestures and expressions alone.
 

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Bolg's shoulder armor is adorned with two bear paws, which I believe will be important, because he's killed by Beorn in the battle of the five armies.



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I'm probably gonna see it again tomorrow. A local cinema shows it in HFR 3D and original audio. Had I known about this I would've skipped the German dub. :@
 

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Controversial opinion alert!

I didn't think Cumberbatch's Smaug voice was anything special. I mean, it wasn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, it sounded pretty much like I expected it would prior to hearing all the hype. I dunno I guess I feel it was a bit safe, where I'd have liked them to ramp up the otherworldlyness up to 11. The guy is essentially a giant lizard, he doesnt even have the same lip/tongue set up as a human, so i want him to sound like that.

Ill get back under my rock now :monster:
 

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Best Part:

The Barrel scene was by far the best part of the movie. From the BTS footage I saw, I thought'd be a pretty boring scene, but it was epic. It is rare for me to get the tingling, hair-standing-on-end excitement levels that I did as that scene progressed anyway.

Worst Part(s):

CGI: The molten gold effects... they looked completely amateurish, as did the large curtains falling beforehand. The dark entity thing/Sauron... Ugh. Looked so slapdash. If those three things were done way better, I'd have less issue with the look and feel of the entire film, in that there would be consistency.

I didn't like Stephen Fry's acting either. He wasn't trying hard. Half the time it seemed like he wasn't in character and was having fun :awesome:.
 

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Just saw it!

Loved the Dragon Hoard. Smaug's design is fantastic and there was so many "oh shit, that got that perfect" in all those scenes. The way he plants the thought in Bilbo's mind that Thorin doesn't really care about him is great, and then Thorin just goes and proves Smaug right.

The contrast between the Dwarf's forges and Saruman's/Sauron's forges in LOTR is interesting. Saruman's/Sauron's feel "cheap", like they're only designed to forge iron into weapons, and cheap, mass produced weapons at that. The Dwarf's forges feel "expensive"; they can handle gold and silver and can forge them into a lot of different things. And the weapons that they do forge are works of art themselves.

Tauriel was nowhere near as bad as I thought she'd be. She definitely feels more like a "Silmarilion" elf then an "LOTR" elf though. Actually, all the elves we see in this film do, which is great. You can tell that they've been in this war with Dul Gur for the long hall and have had to get personal with it. They're not like the elves in Rivendell or Lothlorian where the Enemy is far enough away that they can afford to be "philosophical" or "detached" from what is going on with Sauron. So they've got reason not to spread their forces too thin or want to wage war on another front. Also, the design of the elf caves was fantastic. Unlike the dwarf caves, which are all geometric, the elf caves are all natural, and there's tree roots running though it and stuff. Even though they live underground, they feel connected with the surface in ways the dwarves don't.

Thorin... man, do they do his character so well. You can just tell that he could be this great leader, but he's so unwilling to let go of his pride that it cripples him, as well as the people who follow him. You're just waiting for him to mature as a leader, but he doesn't.

Dul Gur... why didn't Tolkien include this?!?! It was just slightly important for explaining Battle of Five Armies in the book. Very creepy, and Sauron... to be honest, there's only so many ways you can indicate an un-bodied spirit... really drives home why he wants the One Ring so bad; without it, he can't have a physical form.

Laketown... you get the feeling that Laketown is very isolated from the rest of the word and is just surviving. And the style.. it's amazing how different it is from the humans we see in LOTR. For all that Rohan and Gondor are human kingdoms, they're very well connected and have a lot of influence. They've also got something to take pride in whether it's Rohan having the best horses in the entire continent, or Gondor being the legacy of Numinor. But Laketown? it's the remains of Dale and is protecting itself from a dragon by locating itself smack-dab in the middle of a lake. It almost feels like anyone could say they were Thorin and the town would jump on it. It's lost it's hope.

And man, does Peter Jackson know how to pick his ending credit songs. Smaug goes out to destroy Laketown, Bilbo says that last line... and then "Fire" plays... and you just know that's what everyone in Laketown is thinking. And I now have that song stuck in my head.

Very good movie, I look forward to the next one
 

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I also noticed that the implications about Aragorn/Arwen are even more significant now that Thranduil's view on Tauriel/Legolas is made to be very clearly against it and they're still both elves.

Additionally, Bilbo dealing with the weight of the ring's corruption starting to pull at him makes him a lot more of a parallel to Thorin and you can see him thinking about how the Arkenstone will affect him when Smaug talks about it and when Thorin confronts him.


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^But Thranduil is more of a jerk than Elrond :monster:
 

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my mother has read and really, truely, honestly fallen in love with the book, and the movie is something she has no idea why it was made. she says the lord of the rings is 1000000000000000000% better, and the hobbit is just good movie wise, nothing else.
 

Obsidian Fire

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Tell her to read the appendices from Return of the King, and it'll start to make sense.
This. I read The Hobbit right after I saw the first Hobbit movie and was surpised at how sup-par the Hobbit is compared to the rest of Tolkien's other Middle Earth books. Not that it isn't a good book, but the Silmarilion has more character development overall then the Hobbit does and that's saying something as the Silmarilion is practically a documentary of the history of Middle Earth. Let's just say the things that bugged me about the Hobbit movies were things that bugged me about the books as well...
 

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You just have to know that The Hobbit is a simple little fantasy story that he came back to after filling in the surrounding details of a whole world years later, and there're still some minor unexplained elements (i.e. the effects of the One Ring on Bilbo) that I think that the films are handling brilliantly by integrating the original book and the surrounding source material and context within a cinematic storytelling format that ties in to all of the details in its prior presentation of LotR.

If you frame the Hobbit films like that, they're really exceptional, but if you're overly attached to extreme specificities to the book, you'll likely find yourself disappointed.



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Oh and something that bothers me. I always thought Smaug was pronounced Smorg, eg as in august, not Smaowg. I guess I dont know what is right but I feel like Smaowg sounds a bit soft/cute.

EDIT: turns out JRRT indended for au sounds to be pronouced ow eg Sauron - S-ow-ron. So fair do's. I guess its my dads fucking fault as usual :monster:
 

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Well I went to see it today.
LOVED Smaug, and all the dwarf action scenes. Kinda disappointed we didn't see Thrain in this movie but that can wait. Glad Bolg was able to stand up to Legolas, he's really getting out of hand.L
 
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