The Love Triangle Debate: Another Turn in the Cycle

[Dashell]

Thanks a lot Tres, my official shits gave up on this last night though so right now I'm hoping someone like Danseru can post that all on tumblr. Yeah seriously though:

If you can make wallpaper like that sign me up. That's pretty detailed and they obviously give you a ton of options if so. It'd be nice to find them all though. Weird and equally shitty that we can't find a single example of these online now

found some more pics:

idk if that helps

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

If you can make wallpaper like that sign me up.

You can't. Like I say, you can personalize your stationary a little and do a good bit with your avatar's profile room, but that seems to be the extent of it.

The actual wallpapers were pre-designed. Like with those you posted -- one is for Graduation Day and the other is for Hinamatsuri.

 

[BlankBeat]

This post is mostly directed towards dashaque’s post she made on Tumblr, and some confusion about what Clerith's are saying:

The argument is not if the Ultimania’s are or aren’t canon. The argument is this: does the Cloti interpretation of the Ultimania’s match what the creators have said directly? If the Cloti interpretation of the Ultimania’s does not match direct statement made by SE, then the Cloti interpretation of the Ultimania’s is not correct.

Cloti’s think the Ultimania’s have declared that Cloti is canon (even though every single Ultimania relationship chart never, not even once, lists Cloud and Tifa as more than friends; whereas other *main* Final Fantasy couples are listed as more than friends or given mutual favor arrows on at least one occasion)

Cloti’s use numerous Ultimania quotes about Cloud and Tifa “confirming their feelings to match” under the Highwind to prove Cloti is canon. However, direct statements from the creators have left the LTD to interpretation, with Nomura even going so far as to say he has "no clue" if Cloud and Tifa are in a romantic relationship after the Highwind scene takes place. Nomura’s quote came *AFTER* Advent Children (a movie where Tifa is stated to continue her jealousy over Cloud’s relationship with Aerith, and a movie where Cloud has his own room with his own bed)

And yes, I know Nomura later says he knows the “truth” of Cloud and Tifa’s relationship. But this “truth” could be that Cloud and Tifa aren’t compatible and never enter a committed romantic relationship after Final Fantasy VII ends (which would match his previous quote about having “no clue” if Cloud and Tifa are in a romantic relationship). Plus, Nojima speaks of a premise that things didn’t go well between Cloud and Tifa after the Highwind scene.

What we see with our own eyes in Advent Children, Nomura’s quote, Nojima’s premise, and quotes about leaving answers to each fans own interpretation, it is clear that the Cloti interpretation of the Ultimania’s does not match direct statements by SE. In other words, the Cloti interpretation that the “confirmed feelings” quotes in the Ultimanai’s make Cloti canon, does not withstand the scrutiny of direct statements made by SE. Therefore, the Cloti interpretation of the Ultimania’s is a flawed interpretation because it doesn’t match what the creators have said directly.

I believe the Ultimania’s, in more ways than not, have matched direct statements by SE. The relationship charts support the notion that who Cloud loves is up to interpretation because the charts never show Cloud being romantically involved with either Aerith or Tifa. In addition, Cloud Strife is the only hero involved in a love triangle pictured with both of his love interests on the “For the One I Love” (FTOIL) page. Coincidence? I think not. And since we know the Clerith date is canon, it is irrelevant that the Clerith date isn’t mentioned directly in the caption on the FTOIL page. A picture is worth a thousand words. Bottom line: the relationship charts and the FTOIL page support the notion that the LTD is up to interpretation.

Another point I’d like to make is that even though the Ultimania’s might canonize the high affection Highwind scene, they’ve also told us Cloud has romantic feelings for Aerith. From Cloud telling Marlene he “hopes” Aerith likes him, the Clerith date being confirmed as canon, to Cloud being physically attracted to Aerith, the Ultimania’s have provided just as much evidence in favor of Clerith as Cloti. In other words, Cloud’s actions (agreeing to go on a romantic date with Aerith) and words (telling Marlene he “hopes” Aerith likes him) prove he has romantic feelings for Aerith.

Why is it so much more meaningful that Cloud and Tifa expressed these feelings to each other? According to the Ultimania’s, both pairings possessed mutual romantic feelings — but only Cloud and Tifa were able to express these feelings to each other. But…so what? The point isn’t which couple expressed mutual feelings, the point is simply which couple had mutual feelings. And both couples had mutual romantic feelings according to the Ultimania’s, putting Clerith and Cloti on equal footing.

But I’d like to point something out: isn’t Cloud agreeing to go on a romantic date with Aerith telling Aerith he likes her? Since when are words valued more than actions? If anything, I’d say actions speak louder than words. It seems clear Cloud and Aerith both knew they had mutual romantic feelings for each other because they both agreed to go on a romantic date. Actions > words.

There is no proof from the creators that Cloti is canon and Clerith isn’t. The Ultimania’s prove that both pairings had mutual romantic feelings, which is why at the end of the day, the LTD is up to interpretation. The LTD being left up to interpretation matches the scrutiny of direct statements made by the creators, the FTOIL page, and the relationship charts.

Oh, and this quote:

"And having two heroines, Aerith and Tifa, and having the hero waver between them, at the time that was something new.” ~Interview with the creators, pg. 8-13, 10th Anniversary Ultimania

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Another point I’d like to make is that even though the Ultimania’s might canonize the high affection Highwind scene, they’ve also told us Cloud has romantic feelings for Aerith.

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According to the Ultimania’s, both pairings possessed mutual romantic feelings ...

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There is no proof from the creators that Cloti is canon and Clerith isn’t. The Ultimania’s prove that both pairings had mutual romantic feelings, which is why at the end of the day, the LTD is up to interpretation.

So we're finally almost on the same page.

With exception to "... which is why at the end of the day, the LTD is up to interpretation," I've been saying these exact things for-freakin'-ever.

The only bit of this where I disagree is the "up to interpretation" bit at the end. Mutual feelings between both pairings doesn't mean Cloud's feelings aren't clear; it just means he loved both of them.

 

[BlankBeat]

So we're finally almost on the same page.

With exception to "... which is why at the end of the day, the LTD is up to interpretation," I've been saying these exact things for-freakin'-ever.

The only bit of this where I disagree is the "up to interpretation" bit at the end. Mutual feelings between both pairings doesn't mean Cloud's feelings aren't clear; it just means he loved both of them.

I'm trying to clarify what Clerith's meant with the "direct statements vs Ultimania's" argument. It's not that the Ultimania's aren't canon, it's does your interpretation of what the Ultimania's are proclaiming stand the scrutiny of what the creators have said.

Unfortunately, what was claimed in the article, "This just in: The Love Triangle Debate -over" does not stand the scrutiny of what the creators have said directly. Based on what the creators have said directly, the Ultimania's are not proclaiming Cloti is canon over Clerith.

The "LTD over" article answered the question: "Which pairing EXPRESSED mutual feelings?" But the primary question revolving around the LTD is: "Who does Cloud Strife have romantic feelings for?"

The Ultimania's tell us that Cloud had romantic feelings for both Aerith and Tifa (FTOIL page, Cloud/Marlene exchange, Clerith date, HA Highwind scene)

As for your disagreement:

Mutual feelings between both pairings doesn't mean Cloud's feelings aren't clear; it just means he loved both of them.

Well, I agree with you because of this quote: "And having two heroines, Aerith and Tifa, and having the hero waver between them, at the time that was something new.” ~Interview with the creators, pg. 8-13, 10th Anniversary Ultimania

If FFVII were a movie, and only one version of each variable scene was allowed, it's clear Cloud would tell Marlene he hopes Aerith likes him, it's clear Cloud and Aerith would go on a date, and it's clear Cloud and Tifa would express mutual feelings under the Highwind.

The only issue I have is when Cloti's think by Cloud and Tifa expressing mutual feelings it makes their pairing more canon than Clerith. That's a completely irrelevant point because we know Cloud has feelings for both women, even if he doesn't express these feelings to both women.

And I'll just reiterate this point -- by Cloud agreeing and going on a date with Aerith, his actions are telling Aerith he is romantically interested in her. In other words, by both of them going on a date together, they are both telling each other they have mutual romantic attraction. Actions speak louder than words. Actions > words.

The main Cloti claim that doesn't match direct statements by the creators is that Cloud and Tifa are in a relationship in AC. Use all the "evidence" you want, but right now, the conclusion that Cloud and Tifa are in a romantic relationship doesn't pass the scrutiny of what the creators have said directly.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

The "LTD over" article answered the question: "Which pairing EXPRESSED mutual feelings?" But the primary question revolving around the LTD is: "Who does Cloud Strife have romantic feelings for?"

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The only issue I have is when Cloti's think by Cloud and Tifa expressing mutual feelings it makes their pairing more canon than Clerith. That's a completely irrelevant point because we know Cloud has feelings for both women, even if he doesn't express these feelings to both women.

Honestly, those are perfectly legitimate points, and I will make sure Ryu sees them. It will be up to him if he chooses to edit the "This just in" article or add a note clarifying all this, though, as I don't feel comfortable editing someone else's posts uninvited like that.

However, I will bring it up with others on staff that we should probably edit the "Highlights" feature to remove that article and replace it with something else. I understand your grievance, and apologize for my part in it.

 

[Obsidian Fire]

The only issue I have is when Cloti's think by Cloud and Tifa expressing mutual feelings it makes their pairing more canon than Clerith. That's a completely irrelevant point because we know Cloud has feelings for both women, even if he doesn't express these feelings to both women.

And I'll just reiterate this point -- by Cloud agreeing and going on a date with Aerith, his actions are telling Aerith he is romantically interested in her. In other words, by both of them going on a date together, they are both telling each other they have mutual romantic attraction. Actions speak louder than words. Actions > words.

Wait... so Jenova-influenced-Cloud going out on a date with Aeirth, in which both of them say that they want to get to know the other better is given the same significance as sane-Cloud and Tifa having sex under the Highwind... okay. I didn't think Jenova-influenced-Cloud was that aware of what he was doing at the time, but as it makes for a more interesting storyline if Cloud has total command of his mental facilities for the entirely of the game, I'll run with it.

Personally, I tend towards the "we don't know if Cloud/Aerith would have made it as a couple" side of the LTD as all the Cloud/Aerith interactions in the OG happen while Cloud is having major memory loss issues.

But what do I know... I'm not here (thelifestream) for the LTD, but for all the world-building/science/metaphiscis that goes on in FFVII.

 

[Danseru-kun]

Image courtesy of bou-yatsuya

source: http://ch.i.cmaas.net/game/ff/1337009191/

 

[Dashell]

There's no way that's real, Aerith isn't Santa, Nojima never said so

BTW found these links:
https://twitter.com/nekoswitch/status/173235752170299393
https://twitter.com/kotubu977/status/171181411297013760
http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/read.cgi/game/7778/1272282878/757

They're announcing the wallpapers, so yeah they're 100% official. I mean MAYBE there's a possibilty of the characters being interchangeable as I did see some with like Axel and Roxas holding hands (WHOOOOO! ) so idk, maybe they are interchangeable, but you can't just make your own.

 

[Selphie Tilmitt]

Mr and Mrs Claus?

Well funny how this is all just fanservice now though

You know though as someone who suffers from mental illness any insinuations that feelings aren't real or don't really mean anything offends me Not my feelings but well you know what I mean

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Well, Que, you have totally out performed my research into this. My (Santa) hat is off to you.

 

[Splintered]

Why is no one talking about Cid being Aerith's reindeer?

This is very important.

I mean, didn't he say he wanted to give Aerith a ride on the highwind. Close enough.

 

[Master Bates]

Why is no one talking about Cid being Aerith's reindeer?

This is very important.

I mean, didn't he say he wanted to give Aerith a ride on the highwind. Close enough.

I was just about to mention that, but you were 5 minutes ahead of me. I thought it was really sweet, not in a romantic way, and kinda meaningful.

Since you ninja'ed me on that, I'll just mention that Cloud is obviously pushing Tifa away because he doesn't want reindeer Cid and Santa Aerith see him together with her.

 

[BlankBeat]

Wait... so Jenova-influenced-Cloud going out on a date with Aeirth, in which both of them say that they want to get to know the other better is given the same significance as sane-Cloud and Tifa having sex under the Highwind... okay.

SE has said Cloud and Aerith developed a "special bond" during disc 1. Therefore, it is irrelevant if Cloud was influenced by Jenova according to SE. Cloud and Aerith developed a "special bond". Period. The fact that Cloud still harbors such strong feelings for Aerith in AC should also prove the irrelevance of Cloud being influenced by Jenova during disc 1.

Oh, and there's this, too: "After developing his personality by using Zack's memory as a base, Cloud still maintained the part of coolness even though Zack had cheerful characteristics. The part of Cloud's coolness that keeps him away from the surroundings and the part of his asserting "no interests" all have nothing to do with the influence of Jenova cells. They belong to the real Cloud's personality." ~Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega

So although Cloud wasn't completely himself during disc 1, parts of the 'real' Cloud were present during his time with Aerith. It is also stated that the Jenova cells inside Cloud mimicked Tifa's memories of him. Since Tifa's memories were of the 'real' Cloud, Jenova's cells mimicked portions of the 'real Cloud' that fashioned yet another personality for him.

Personally, I tend towards the "we don't know if Cloud/Aerith would have made it as a couple" side of the LTD as all the Cloud/Aerith interactions in the OG happen while Cloud is having major memory loss issues.

"First off, there's the premise that things won't go well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma or Sephiroth this might be the same. I don't really intend to go about my views on love or marriage or family (laughs). After ACC, I guess Denzel and Marlene could help them work it out. Maybe things would have gone well with Aerith, but I think there is a great burden from Aerith. Oh, I just remembered. I wanted to write Cloud as a person, seen through Tifa's eyes. But he really isn't the type to open up (laughs)."
~Nojima, interview about On the Way to a Smile

This quote suggests to me that things would have probably gone better with Aerith than Tifa (and that things didn't turn out well between Cloud and Tifa). But everyone seems to interpret this quote differently.

 

[BlankBeat]

Also --

Tres, I read your long analysis of the LTD. I obviously don't agree with all of it, but it seems you agree that Cloud had romantic feelings for both Aerith and Tifa. Unfortunately, most people are not going to read your entire analysis. It's super long. And I know you don't want to edit Ryu's article. But maybe an article simply stating the evidence for why Cloud is proven to be romantically interested in both Aerith and Tifa would be a good thing? It would honestly get rid of all the bad feelings between the Clerith community and TLS. We could finally put this issue to bed. For good.

I also enjoyed what you said about Cloud's famous line, "But, I'm...... we're here for you, right?" I elaborated on it in my own words here:

Cloud says one of his most famous lines while in Cosmo Canyon: "But, I'm...... we're here for you, right?"

Having a character accidentally express feelings for another, and then backtrack from their slip-up, is a common literary device to show romantic attraction from one character to another. This piece of dialogue is a subtle (yet obvious) way to show Cloud is falling in love with Aerith.

Why else is this there if not to show Cloud is falling in love with the Flower Girl? As I mentioned above, Cloud's line is a common literary device to show one character is romantically interested in another.

Let us also remember that Cloud's romantic slip-up in Cosmo Canyon occurs after these key events:

1. Cloud thinks Aerith's eyes are "impressive" 2. Cloud thinks Aerith's smile is a "good purchase" 3. Cloud leaves his initial meeting with Aerith with a "mysterious feeling" 4. Cloud agrees to be Aerith's bodyguard for the price of one date 5. Cloud has a flashback about romantic relationships in Aerith's house 6. Cloud and Aerith share an intimate date in the Sector 5 park where Aerith brings up her previous boyfriend, thus bringing romantic relationships to the forefront of the story 7. Cloud tells Marlene he hopes Aerith likes him 8. Barret observes that Aerith is the first person Cloud cares for besides himself 9. Tifa gets jealous when she hears Cloud and Aerith flirting and developing their "own world" and "special bond" in the Shinra jail cell

Given all that occurred prior to Cosmo Canyon, especially Cloud telling Marlene he hopes Aerith likes him, makes it undeniable that Cloud's slip-up is romantic. Not only is Cloud's slip-up a common literary device to show one characters attraction to another, but the context is undeniably romantic.

Cloud also says, "I remember Aerith a lot" while visiting Cosmo Canyon during disc 2. This line occurs after Cloud shares a promised date with Aerith in Golden Saucer, a wedding prediction by Cait Sith, and Aerith's sudden death by the hands of Sephiroth. It's clear Cloud and Aerith truly did develop a "special bond" in a short amount of time. All of this is exactly why Square Enix says:

"Cloud was her [Aerith] friend, her *koibito* (lover in Japanese) - a symbol of what was important to her, and someone to be protected." ~Case of Lifestream: White, Square Enix

 

[eleamaya]

Nojima said "maybe things would've gone well.'
would've gone well.
Well.

Never he said "better"

Also, if "But, I'm... we're here for you" is romantic. You can't deny the Cloti dialog when Cloud said, "Because I have you this time" is also romantic, even more powerful, It's not that Cloud were here for Tifa, it's about Cloud accept Tifa was there for him.





But, perhaps, afterall it just remains equal. Would've well is equal, not better. "I'm here for you" compare to "I have you this time" is equal too.

 

[Danseru-kun]

I just find it amusing that there's a Cloti wallpaper for Valentine's Day and Christmas, which are the most romantic holidays for Japan. It also featured them walking and seeing the lights which is the practice of couples during the Christmas Eve.

But nah, that's nothing on Cid and Aerith.

 

[BlankBeat]

Nojima said "maybe things would've gone well.'
would've gone well.
Well.

Never he said "better"

Right. I'm inferring the "better" part from juxtaposition:

Nojima says there's a premise things, "wont go well between Cloud and Tifa"
Then he says, "things might have gone well with Aerith"

Therefore, my interpretation is that things would have probably gone better with Aerith given his juxtaposition.

 

[Danseru-kun]

^

then it says "but I think there is a great burden from Aerith."

so it could have gone well, BUT there's a but

 

[Lex]

I'll take a look at the links in the highlights section. I've been meaning to add your analysis to it Tres.

Also, I think Tres's article does a good enough job of telling the Clerith side of things.

I'm not opposed if someone wants to write another article but I think we have quite enough LTD crap on the site. No offence to those that have written articles already, but in the grand scheme of Compilation content, we've got a disproportionate amount of shit about the LTD on the site. It generates buzz and discussion and it's good for both the site and the forums, but Tres's article is the be-all-end-all for this debate for me. Unless SE hit out with something new, there shouldn't be any more LTD opinion pieces on the site.

So say we all.

 

[Carlie]

You gotta do the "So say we all" on a call Lex.

I beg of everyone in this thread unless some new big information comes out no more LTD articles, it already has more than it deserves.

 

[Roger]

I'm trying to clarify what Clerith's meant with the "direct statements vs Ultimania's" argument. It's not that the Ultimania's aren't canon, it's does your interpretation of what the Ultimania's are proclaiming stand the scrutiny of what the creators have said.

Okay first of all if that is what "the Cleriths" are saying, why single out the Ultimanias. OBVIOUSLY our interpretation isn't neccesarily one hundred percent correct, the same is true of the original game. Something that the Cleriths obviously believe. I feel the Cleriths were saying rather more then that.

Unfortunately, what was claimed in the article, "This just in: The Love Triangle Debate -over" does not stand the scrutiny of what the creators have said directly. Based on what the creators have said directly, the Ultimania's are not proclaiming Cloti is canon over Clerith.

The "LTD over" article answered the question: "Which pairing EXPRESSED mutual feelings?" But the primary question revolving around the LTD is: "Who does Cloud Strife have romantic feelings for?"

I highly, highly disagree. I feel it's pretty clear that Zack for instance had romantic feelings for Cissnei and you have to option of having Tidus express interest in Rikku and Lulu. LTD I feel is about who Cloud chooses.

If FFVII were a movie,

It's not.

and only one version of each variable scene was allowed,

But that's not the case.

it's clear Cloud would tell Marlene he hopes Aerith likes him, it's clear Cloud and Aerith would go on a date, and it's clear Cloud and Tifa would express mutual feelings under the Highwind.

That's debatable.

SE has said Cloud and Aerith developed a "special bond" during disc 1. Therefore, it is irrelevant if Cloud was influenced by Jenova according to SE. Cloud and Aerith developed a "special bond". Period. The fact that Cloud still harbors such strong feelings for Aerith in AC should also prove the irrelevance of Cloud being influenced by Jenova during disc 1.

WHY? Cloud has strong feelings of guilt because Tifa got hurt when she was six years old almost completely of her own volition. You think it'd be surprising that he'd care about what happened to a girl that he might not have taken to in quite the same way if there wasn't an entirely new persona at the helm when he met her? It is irrelevant to the situation NOW, yes. Because he WAS controlled by Jenova, and that Cloud did bond with her, and she did die, and it was his fault.

When it comes to who'd the real Cloud actually enter a relationship with, yes it is relevant. We have no idea how the real Cloud would interact with a living Aerith.

Oh, and there's this, too: "After developing his personality by using Zack's memory as a base, Cloud still maintained the part of coolness even though Zack had cheerful characteristics. The part of Cloud's coolness that keeps him away from the surroundings and the part of his asserting "no interests" all have nothing to do with the influence of Jenova cells. They belong to the real Cloud's personality." ~Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega

So although Cloud wasn't completely himself during disc 1, parts of the 'real' Cloud were present during his time with Aerith. It is also stated that the Jenova cells inside Cloud mimicked Tifa's memories of him. Since Tifa's memories were of the 'real' Cloud, Jenova's cells mimicked portions of the 'real Cloud' that fashioned yet another personality for him.

one part of the real Cloud does not equal the real Cloud. And Tifa's perception of the young Cloud also does not equal the real Cloud. Tifa and Cloud weren't close friends when they were little and she had no idea about why Cloud seemingly picked a lot of fights, the reason behind which had everything to d o with secrets being kept from her by her father and her other friends. Her perception was very scewed.

1. Cloud thinks Aerith's eyes are "impressive" 2. Cloud thinks Aerith's smile is a "good purchase" 3. Cloud leaves his initial meeting with Aerith with a "mysterious feeling" 4. Cloud agrees to be Aerith's bodyguard for the price of one date 5. Cloud has a flashback about romantic relationships in Aerith's house 6. Cloud and Aerith share an intimate date in the Sector 5 park where Aerith brings up her previous boyfriend, thus bringing romantic relationships to the forefront of the story 7. Cloud tells Marlene he hopes Aerith likes him 8. Barret observes that Aerith is the first person Cloud cares for besides himself 9. Tifa gets jealous when she hears Cloud and Aerith flirting and developing their "own world" and "special bond" in the Shinra jail cell

Can I ask where this is being quoted from? Because Cloud and Aerith certainly don't see it the same way. IF, and let me stress IF, they go on a date at the Golden Saucer Aerith ASKS him if he had ever gone on a date before and none of the options you are given are reminding Aerith of their chat at the Sector 5 park about Zack.

 

[Selphie Tilmitt]

That doesn't matter, Cloud and Tifa never bring up the Highwind scene and/or them having sex either , and it is never referenced again after the event if I remember right, those quotes are from the same sources the Cloud/Tifa stuff is ergo

As for Glenn's article being long, well it's not really his fault if people don't have patience and are going to jump the gun to conclusions, maybe it would be best if people didn't just expect the worst all the time. I, for one kept reading because I wanted to see what he had to say/was going to say about Clerith since he has always personally been very fair and reasonable to me as a person, I've found him that way about various things, etc. For those who have a vested interest in TLD and/are or debaters I think it is prudent to read a whole thing/have all the facts before taking anything forward to/in a real, I think it might be best to wait before jumping in, or at least before getting upset or anything about it, and wait to see what happens later

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I'll take a look at the links in the highlights section. I've been meaning to add your analysis to it Tres.

Also, I think Tres's article does a good enough job of telling the Clerith side of things.

I'm not opposed if someone wants to write another article but I think we have quite enough LTD crap on the site. No offence to those that have written articles already, but in the grand scheme of Compilation content, we've got a disproportionate amount of shit about the LTD on the site. It generates buzz and discussion and it's good for both the site and the forums, but Tres's article is the be-all-end-all for this debate for me. Unless SE hit out with something new, there shouldn't be any more LTD opinion pieces on the site.

So say we all.

Yeah, I certainly wouldn't be opposed if someone else wanted to write it, but I'm done doing these. I've spent enough time writing LTD stuff. That last article took two years. I just can't do it any more.

I would hope someone would take the time to read the whole thing, or at least to read the article by Messenger of the Ancients. Between her piece and "Dilly Dally, Shilly Shally," I do believe there's adequate representation of Cloud's affection for Aerith.

As I mentioned before, though, I do agree that the disproportionate presentation of the "This just in" article is a problem. Once it's replaced in the "Highlights" drop-down box, it will just be one of a few hundred articles somewhere in TLS's past.

Like I said, I will ask Ryu to consider making a note or amending some of the wording, but he may not want to. I'm confident he will, at the very least, edit the closing paragraph.

Even if not, all should be aware that under the Canon of FFVII section where we have the article archived, Shademp and I recently made a note above this and several other articles:

"Ye Olde Vault
Here is where articles with outdated and/or obsolete content, usually deemed so by the authors themselves, are listed. Look to articles in either of the three previous categories for more up-to-date info."

 

[Shademp]

It appears I still have the permission to change the TLS frontpage menus. I can remove the "End of the LTD" link in Highlights immediately and replace it with a link to "Dilly Dally, Shilly Shally".

When Tres thanks this post I'll take that as the go-ahead to change the Highlights link.