The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

[Celes Chere]

THAT IS A VERY BLUE POST
There are a lot of Filipino posters here. OAO /just making a note/ Actually TLS seems to be pretty diverse, hearing the lot of you on Skype I realized just how many different places we all come from. I noticed there's lots of people from Puerto Rico here too. xD

it's debunked because they don't know anything about Final Fantasy.

I find it highly amusing that people will go through the trouble of actually getting in contact with someone at all experts or some random Japanese person just to ask them about the meaning of a Japanese phrase because they want to prove their fictional pairing to be canon

just lol

 

[Strangelove]

Now I'm tempted to make a video showing how you pronounce 想いを通わせる and what have you, but it would mean people having to listen to my voice and other people leaving me along long enough to actually record it Also I would need to make a YouTube account or something to upload it and I cba

 

[Dashell]

I find it highly amusing that people will go through the trouble of actually getting in contact with someone at all experts or some random Japanese person just to ask them about the meaning of a Japanese phrase because they want to prove their fictional pairing to be canon

Okay maybe this is just because I'm in a pissy mood but, the thing is sometimes I want to know stuff. Maybe it's related to my fictional pairing, maybe it's not. I know what the damn phrase means, but

A. FFS I'm sick of being greeted with "well that person is bias" or "that's just cause you're Cloti" so to avoid the issue I went out of the FF fandom.

B. I don't always know the WHY on why it says that.

I've contacted both sites for various reasons so I decided to give it a go with this one not just to "prove my pairing HUR DUR" but out of my own curiosity to make sure I was right. Sometimes when you're debating, you NEED a second opinion for these reasons, and you know what? I'm curious, okay? Sorry that's a problem. (but glad it amuses you )

I don't always wanna bug Tres and Hito for these things either. It's not fair that I always come to them so sometimes I'll try to go elsewhere for help. And hey I learned something. I didn't know 通う could only be used when two people or groups understand each other, and now I do. Fuck proving a pairing, learning something like that made it worth it.

EDIT
Last time I learned that when Japanese words are written in kana, you go by their slang meaning. That's important to know IMO.

Look at my avatar and my signature. I'm a fucking dork okay? What do you want from me? I get so tired of being criticized for doing LTD related stuff in the LTD thread.

Now I'm tempted to make a video showing how you pronounce 想いを通わせる and what have you, but it would mean people having to listen to my voice and other people leaving me along long enough to actually record it

So I screwed it up? D:
Sorry Was I even close?

I'd like to know how to say it though if you ever get around to it to prove my pairing since I'm kind of curious now.

 

[Danseru-kun]

Good to see other Filipinos here btw, Danseru

Proof of our above average English skills. (And let's spread the beauty of Tagalog whenever given a chance.)

Not to be rude or anything, but the only example of bias that I've seen is where the koibito explanation about feelings being mutual (which was written by Hito (I think?), a TLS translator btw ) is used as evidence for CxA in COLW, yet somehow the rest of the explanation about how koibito CAN be one-sided conveniently gets ignored.

And if I'm not mistaken, I think Hito explained the koibito which was for Tifa in the quote "like a mother, a koibito and a close ally in battle." But as far as I understand, his explanation for that was quotemined for Aerith's "koibito" line in COLW. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

The big difference is that Tifa's roled are described by an omniscient speaker AKA SE while Aerith called Cloud "koibito" from her POV. But again, the koibito debate was not the topic now and I think the point has already been made long ago.

There are a lot of Filipino posters here. OAO /just making a note/ Actually TLS seems to be pretty diverse, hearing the lot of you on Skype I realized just how many different places we all come from. I noticed there's lots of people from Puerto Rico here too. xD

So far I think there have been 4 Filipino posters here And yeah, the more the merrier. (I really wish we have a native Japanese here hehe)

I find it highly amusing that people will go through the trouble of actually getting in contact with someone at all experts or some random Japanese person just to ask them about the meaning of a Japanese phrase because they want to prove their fictional pairing to be canon. l

That's a general perspective. For the other side who appreciate a good story told by pixels and polygons it's about unraveling the mysteries of that work of art.

 

[Vanitas]

I think I should clarify that I wasn't really trying to push the koibito issue into the debate. My point was mostly about bias. The quote mined koibito explanation was the example I could think of at the time. It's biased because it's obvious that they chose to ignore the part about how koibito can be one-sided just to prove that Cloud loves Aerith in CoLW. (That's how I saw it anyway)

I was just trying to point out that certain people should recognise their own biases (and I know everyone can come off as biased without really meaning to), before they go around accusing translations as CloTi biased just because they don't agree with it.

EDIT: Umm... Agent P, I don't think she was specifically targeting you when she said that. Nowhere in her post does it say or imply that "everyone who goes to allexperts.com to ask about romantic Japanese phrases MUST be fools who are trying too hard to prove that their pairing is canon!" I thought she was just taking a jab at the people who do.

I mean, I know she can speak for herself, but I'm sure it's all just a misunderstanding. I don't want to make things worse, so I'm going to stop typing now.

 

[Celes Chere]

A. FFS I'm sick of being greeted with "well that person is bias" or "that's just cause you're Cloti" so to avoid the issue I went out of the FF fandom.

If people greet you like that they are dumbasses and to me it's not worth the effort of finding shit out just to prove yourself to them but if that's not what you're doing then uhhh then there's no need to get so defensive haha. I know you said you're in a pissy mood but yeah... I didn't mean to be insulting. =P

If you want to know something for yourself then obviously that's a different story. If you didn't fit the description that I posted, then there's no need to stand up for yourself as if I were attacking you. >w> <w<

Um and we're all dorks here okay that's what brought us all together in the first place. And I partly agree with the last bit (besides that I was NOT criticizing YOU) because I don't like when people come into the LTD thread and go LOL THIS THREAD SUCKS YOU'RE ALL WASTING UR BRAINZ CLOSE THE THREAD because uhhh some people enjoy discussing and stuff and it's kind of insulting to them. *SHRUGSHRUG*

 

[Dashell]

If people greet you like that they are dumbasses and to me it's not worth the effort of finding shit out just to prove yourself to them but if that's not what you're doing then uhhh then there's no need to get so defensive haha. I know you said you're in a pissy mood but yeah... I didn't mean to be insulting. =P

When I'm in a pissy mood, EVERYTHING is insulting

If you want to know something for yourself then obviously that's a different story. If you didn't fit the description that I posted, then there's no need to stand up for yourself as if I were attacking you. >w> <w<

It's just, I just posted allexperts.com and Japanforum stuff and you came in here and... well said that. can you understand why I thought it was directed at me? And I wanted you to know that I wasn't doing what I thought you thought I was doing.

Um and we're all dorks here okay that's what brought us all together in the first place.

Dorks unite?

but okay then... yes if ALL they do with Japanese people is LTD stuff... then yeah I agree that IS silly.

 

[Master Bates]

I dunno 'bout you people but I'm here for the lulz it gives me.

Also, am I supposed to understand that a facebook page with 150 likes, with a fanpage name that's the same with the unofficial 'engraved in the heart' translation of a game manual (not to mention, said quote has the same characters with 'the promise to Tifa' quote), proves Cloud loves Aerith romantically?

Anyways, I thought the contention was that the phrase 'engraved in his heart' does not automatically mean romance. No one is saying it CAN'T be romantic, just that it CAN also be non-romantic. I do not follow.

 

[Celes Chere]

It's just, I just posted allexperts.com and Japanforum stuff and you came in here and... well said that. can you understand why I thought it was directed at me? And I wanted you to know that I wasn't doing what I thought you thought I was doing.

Lol I guess, I was really just going off on another tangent and to be completely honest I have not fully read the past few pages merely skimmed and placed a comment to what caught my eye. xD

Yeah, it is. I mean even going to look something up is fine but when people do it just to rub it in the other person's face and are like "SEE MY PAIRING IS CANON LOOK WHAT THIS JAPANESE DUDE SAID" I find it kind of ridiculous. xD

 

[AerithLives]

If cloud had felt anything for Tifa then it would have all happened by now!

 

[Octo]

If cloud had felt anything for Tifa then it would have all happened by now!

What would have happened?

Actually let me elaborate, do you mean Cloud feels nothing for Tifa or Aerith at all? Or just that he loved Aerith and doesn't love Tifa?

Either way, state your raisins!

 

[Celes Chere]

If cloud had felt anything for Tifa then it would have all happened by now!

It did happen.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

It did happen.

And continues to happen. Nightly

 

[Ryushikaze]

If cloud had felt anything for Tifa then it would have all happened by now!

It happened at the end of the second disc, kiddo.

Troll smarter, not harder.

 

[Danseru-kun]

Some comments:
1. Even if they did it, SE would not show it. This applies to all FF couples.
2. Doing it does not prove love. EDIT: However if Cloud and Tifa were the characters it makes things different. Context matters.
3. Love is love even without it.
4. "It" is sex right ?

 

[Celes Chere]

Umm, no.. Gawd, all you dumb clotis think about is sex.

 

[Ryushikaze]

More seriously 'It' includes but is not limited to sex.
'It' is the two making a move and revealing their feelings to each other, which occurs- quite likely alongside sex- at the end of disc 2.

 

[Danseru-kun]

Umm, no.. Gawd, all you dumb clotis think about is sex.

That's why I posted that sex does not mean love.

Anyway, seriously, I'm holding on to the theory that Cloud and Tifa just kissed and cuddled in the HW scene.

 

[Vanitas]

Naw, they obviously just had a very long conversation about how they mutually don't like each other.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Regardless of what actually took place, we know for certain something intimate happened which embarrassed them the following morning.

We know that whatever happened was a toned down version of a blatant sex scene, so.....draw your own conclusion. One shouldn't need a map for this one

 

[Celes Chere]

I hope you could tell I was joking ! xD

 

[OneWingedDemon]

LOL I know bb, it was a general statement, not directed achoo

 

[Celes Chere]

I actually meant that towards Danseru, but that's what I get for not quoting. XD

 

[Dashell]

So this is minor shit but I just realized that TKAA has, again, verified what many of have us been saying for years. For one that the party where the photo of Avalanche was taken took place the day Denzel was healed and right after AC/C. For another, I just find it most humorous that Evan and Kyrie are a couple raising an orphan child who had geostigma and Cloud even says to them "We're the same as you."... granted this was in response to him not being Marlene's father, but still being her family but, hey next time parallels get brought up, there you go.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Too many one-liners going on in this thread. Please remember to keep the posts substantive and relevant. Thank you.