First point, how did we get back to Cloud's mental state on Disk 1? Not that I mind given that I liked that part of the discussion, but I'm confused about the sudden shift.
Second point, yeah, I agree that Cloud wasn't just confused. He wasn't fake either (Hence why I use the word "composite" because he was a mix of different influences), but he wasn't the real Cloud. Real!Cloud was the voice in Composite!Cloud's head. The one who appears to be able to think and to a lesser extent act separately (Trying to stop his counterpart from giving the Black Materia to Sephiroth- Two Clouds are on the screen, I assume to represent his two personalities.) The one capable of having and keeping information that Composite!Cloud is unaware of throughout the disk. The one capable of conversing with Composite!Cloud in the comfort of his own head.
Now is there Real!Cloud in Composite!Cloud? Yeah. When the two personalities merge does Composite!Cloud to some extent become a part of Real!Cloud? I can't imagine not. Is Real!Cloud present and aware on Disk 1? Yep, but not in control.
Not only does the script seem to show that these are two distinct entities, there are at least two official quotes that state that Cloud formed a whole different personality that were posted just a couple of pages ago.
Cloud, having suffered heavy injuries during the incident, was injected with cells from Jenova, an extraterrestrial life form. These cells, which Sephiroth also had in his body, controlled Cloud’s thoughts and created a separate personality, and tried to manipulate Cloud into joining with Sephiroth.
Cloud mimics his best friend Zack and creates a new persona, but the mental aspects weren’t the only things he received from Zack.
On the issue of imitating Zack, he does to an extent. That's why Aerith is drawn to him at first. I'm pretty sure that's officially stated. Is it a perfect imitation? No, because that isn't the only influence on him, but he does still mimic Zack and take his memories. I'm not sure why this is an issue honestly.
Of course I don't mind. XD
No, I didn't mean it that way. Maybe I should have worded it better? It just seems to me like he accepted the date because he never told her no. He went along with being her body guard, and never said anything against the date when she brought it up again. If you'll recall Aerith says "The agreement was one date, right?" and then Tifa goes "Excuse ME?"
Cloud never says anything in response one way or another, but I gathered that the fact he was being her body guard without protest kinda meant he didn't mind the 'date as payment' thing. Idk, that's just how I see it. I'd think if someone asks you on a date and you weren't interested, you would show some disinterest. Some can argue that the disinterest appears to be that he is more into Tifa.
Him accepting her offer for a date doesn't really change anything in my opinion so either way, I still believe that Cloud loves tifa, lol.
I see where you're coming from though. Of course Cloud always has the option, but I did not see him refusing her. So yeah. xD To me him saying "I'm your body guard, right?" when he knows what Aerith thinks about the matter basically tells me he knows what's going down with the whole date thing.
That makes more sense. Thank you.
I was a bit confused by the statement.
I'd still point out that the only one to ever reference the date is Aerith, while Cloud's concern seems to be more focused on protecting. He never brings up the promise, only that he was he bodyguard at points and again Cloud is not exactly shy about demanding what he sees as his due by this point. If he's wants the date, why not mention it? Why didn't he make plans to come back for it before he tried to leave her at her home?
On the other hand, your interpretation is your own and it's silly for me to argue it, so I won't any further than that. There we go.
also i am the only one that believes Aerith still loves Zack, mind you. *is hit with rocks* shut up tiff no one believes that
I believe that as well. It just doesn't really affect this discussion one way or another. Just as it's perfectly plausible that Cloud loves both Tifa and Aerith, it's perfectly plausible for Aerith to love both Zack and Cloud.
I call bullshit on "lol Cloud's a social retard". I think Cloud genuinely was showing he cared for Aerith - caught himself, and then changed it to "we". maybe I'm the only one who thinks that lol
This is going to sound snippy. I apologize and this isn't aimed at you, Sora. It's just an example of something that's happened a few times now and it's upsetting me (Not the debate itself as I don't feel much emotional attachment over which pairings are canon. Again I ship what I ship and I don't much care about the canon status of the pairing.).
Can I please ask that people stop oversimplifying my responses? You aren't required on any level to agree with anything that I write (I'm used to that), but at least show me the respect of actually replying to my responses as I said them or at least paraphrase what I said properly. Please. For example, I seriously did not say this and it upsets me to see my arguments grossly oversimplified.
Please. I'm really sorry for being snippy.
Edit: I assume this was a reference to my argument anyway given that I'm pretty sure that I was the only one arguing the whole social skills aspect of it. If I'm wrong then I apologize.
Can we stop with this fake!Cloud real!Cloud shizz? Cloud is Cloud. Even if his mind was torn into pieces, it doesn't make him fake. He's still himself, he's just confused.
(^basically what ava said xD)
Answered this above.