The KH stuff has finally motivated me to actually respond in this thread for once and quite possibly the only time I will, because BlankBeat your using of it makes me want to tear my hair out.
BlankBeat said:
the only motivation that we see for all of Cloud's actions in the first Kingdom Hearts, since he fights both Sora and Hercules in the name of the darkness, is that Cloud is searching for a person who is his light
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG
Did you even play KH because your analysis of certain things makes me think you’ve at best “skim read “ it
You do know there’s a scene in Final Mix where Aerith tells Sora that Cloud is looking for Sephiroth and she knows that Cloud is at the Olympius coliseum, the fact she already knows this kinda makes me think that maybe Cloud told Aerith he was going there in the first place, implied it or she’s aware from previous experience about Cloud’s relationship with Sephiroth, how else would she know where he is and don’t spout of because she’s his light crap she would know where he’s going. The fact she knows where Cloud is also makes that scene where he and Aerith meet again in the ending credits actually make more sense, they’d already fricking met before he headed off to go see if Hades could give him a little power boost. Also Cloud never explicity states his light is a person, he explains he was looking for someone and was using the darkness to help him do it, he then says he lost his light when he fell into darkness in otherwords he gave into his personal darkness and gave up his inner light to do it.
Blankbeat said:
Tifa was never featured, mentioned, or otherwise shown in Kingdom Hearts I, where the quote that started it all appears.
And Rinoa, the girl Squall/Leon fell in love with has as of yet never shown up in an installment of KH to date, what’s your point?
BlankBeat said:
Therefore, when Aerith used the term "your light" to Cloud in their earlier conversation, what she really meant was Cloud's own personal and inner light. Since there is still darkness within Cloud, it is necessary for him to defeat his personal darkness before he can find his inner light, and Aerith seems to understand his struggle. This is the reason Cloud searches for Sephiroth - to defeat his own personal darkness.
A nice little comparison to FFVII Aerith noticing there’s something different about Cloud and wanting to meet the real him, don’t you think but in no way means it’s a romantic aspect it’s just a way to compare the KH story to the FFVII story of Aerith understanding there’s more to Cloud than what he shows on the outside shell.
BlankBeat said:
Cloud and Aerith's connection is depicted in Kingdom Hearts I as the 'light' which guided Cloud 'home', just as Beast searched for Belle, and Aladdin searched for Jasmine.
NO it’s not where in KH does it ever state that Aerith was the one who guided Cloud back to Hollow Bastion…by the way just for your reference it was Cid who led Cloud back to Hollow Bastion. Oh and one other thing, you seem to be forgetting that Belle&Beast, Aladdin&Jasmine are established completely 100% couples in KH and the Disney franchise alone, how in your head do Cloud and Aerith equate or even come close to that?
BlankBeat said:
Also of note is that Sora is not said to be searching for his light as in his romantic love interest Kairi
Bingo! Replace Sora and Kairi with Cloud and Aerith and you’ll be on the right track with that chat Sora and Cloud has in KH1.While your refer to KH2 it’s worth noting that Sora at this point in KH1 assumes that Kairi like Riku ended up in another world, he in no way whatsoever refers to her as his light and at this point you can’t say he’s searching for Kairi as his light.
BlankBeat said:
In the first place, Cloud never searches for Tifa during the game. If anything, Cloud actually seems to be avoiding her.
I seem to recall he also did this in FFVII because he was ashamed he couldn’t live up to his expectations and be her hero at the same time. You ever think that maybe he’s avoiding her in KH because he’s fallen so far into the darkness and doesn’t want her to see how much he’s struggling to live in the light, how he can’t be with her in the light anymore?
BlankBeat said:
Tifa's light almost seems to blind Cloud, as if her light is actually harmful to him. Furthermore, Cloud seems very hesitant and almost reluctant to accept Tifa's light when she offers it to him
He’s not reluctant to accept her light because it’s hers, he reluctant to accept it because he’s been living in darkness for so long and doesn’t know what it means to accept the light anymore.
BlankBeat said:
What you are forgetting is that Nomura clearly thinks the ending of KH *IS* significant to Cloud and Aerith's relationship as it pertains to FFVII
What you’re forgetting that originally in FFVII Nomura only came up with the character designs, he in no way came up with the story or relationships the characters have it’s the one thing forget when Nomura says he has no idea who Cloud loves best, he didn’t fucking come up with the story or the Love Triangle to begin with!
Advent Children was the first instalment where he came up with a concept again about Cloud’s own internal struggle, see where I’m going with this, by any chance could Nomura have used a certain concept about Cloud’s internal struggle he’s facing in KH when it came to Advent Children, not even the slightest.
BlankBeat said:
Sora and the others however help Beast to find the good within him again, allowing him to conquer the darkness of his anger and defeat Xaldin.
Really, because I thought it was because he saw Belle was in danger and realised she was the most important person to him that helped him conquer his darkness but hey who am I to dispute that with someone who’s using KH as a valid way of establishing Clerith Canonship
BlankBeat said:
Instead of seeking Kairi, he deals with questions regarding his dark self Roxas, memories that don’t belong to him.
Sorry I know this isn’t LTD related but this statement drove me batshit and again I have to ask did you actually play KH?
Sora’s horrified when he finds out Kairi’s been kidnapped he freaks the fuck out about her safety and even gets on his knees and begs Saix to take him to her, he then has to spend time actually figuring out how to get to TWTNW before he can actually get to Kairi. As for dealing with Roxas, you are again completely wrong. He doesn’t know who Roxas is or that he even once existed for nearly the entire game. He questions why Organisation XIII calls him Roxas but he doesn’t even know Roxas is his nobody until Riku comes right up and tells him he doesn’t even realise until then that he could have created a nobody when he lost his heart in the first place.
Where the hell are you pulling that memory shit from, Sora never once experiences memories that aren’t his own in KH2, he experiences on two/three occasions EMOTIONS that aren’t his own but directly affected by Roxas but even then he can’t explain why he feels that way and brushes it off. The only time Sora experiences memories that aren’t his own is when Namine fucks around with them replacing Kairi for herself in COM and even then he doesn’t know it’s happening only finding out when she tells him, even then she restores his orginal memories and he has no memory of what happened there at all by the time of KH2.
I’m actually beyond annoyed that you would use KH as a point of argument for Clerith when you clearly don’t have a clue about KH itself.
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