Alright folks, cue up some Ominous Latin Chanting, cause the Devil is back and ready to rock this thread once more. Since Anastar has apparently put me on the list of unmentionable folks alongside Tres and Ryu, I'm just gonna ignore her fail post of fanfiction and fanart (alongside repetition of crap that has been explained to her to be just that: crap) and talk to CR.
Whoa. Hold your horses there Missy.
How is this less rude than "silly" I wonder? Oh if only Anastar would deign to explain these things to us.
Did I say that those translations are not to be taken into account?
And no, I accept translations that are official. Sure a fan can do one, and if it makes sense and is fairly close, why not?
And if an official translation doesn't exist yet, and someone talented as hell like hito or Tres (or someday Q, rooting for ya lady!) does one that "makes sense and is fairly close) then you'd be cool with it then? Cause that's the situation we're in for a lot of these quotes.
Nah. More like she knew what you were getting at.
Nah, more like she contradicts herself constantly with her goalpost shifting and back and forth swinging on what she says.
And this stems from the interpretation you got after examining evidence and "story narratives".
Why are you putting story narratives in sarcastic/dismissive quotes? A goodly deal of what we show in support of Cloti comes from story summaries and direct from the narrative (which hey, the stuff in the summary is from the narrative too!). Its unnecessary and, once more, a little rude. Not enough to bother me, but it sure as hell comes off worse than calling something "silly" imo.
It's hard for you because you deny it. You deny the very thing we try hard to get recognition: CLERITH. You're closed off because of one thing: "guilt".
Ok, we deny Clerith. Why is that again? Oh, right... because there is no real evidence that it ever happened. See, we're NOT going along with this "there is no canon, all interpretations are possible" view. There is factual evidence that Cloud and Tifa got together, CloudXAerith is just a fan pairing that had the possibility of happening at one time.
And yeah, Danseru is right: It really is hard to accept that Annie really believes in the "no canon, all interpretation" angle she espouses to follow for the simple fact that she argues like a "Clerith is canon" candidate (by way of trying unsuccessfully to tear down Cloti and making shit up from scratch/quote mining/using fanart and bloody
commercials to support her pairing).
1. Would Tifa be that petty to be jealous
Its been asked before, I'll ask again: where in "complex feelings" do you folks read "jealousy and petty" again? Assuming there was jealousy included among the
plural feelings being discussed here, where did Tifa act petty about it?
over a dead woman if there was nothing? If she doesn't sense anything? She already knows that Cloud and Aerith have formed their "special bond/own world" without her, the supposed love interest and no one else. That's enough to be jealous.
Cloud and Aerith forming a special bond is enough to potentially make Tifa jealous, yes. In the OG, Tifa's desire to express herself blatantly like Aerith does is ALSO enough to be jealous. There are plenty of things that could get her green-eyed without her having to believe Cloud is in love with Aerith.
This doesn't prove she's still jealous by the time of AC/C, her being jealous if she ever was is not proof that Cloud loves Aerith. For that matter, why should it matter that Cloud formed this particular bond with Aerith and no one else? His bonds with each individual on the team are separate from his bond with the team as a whole. Aerith's gets more attention than say, Red's, but they're all there. Tifa has her own bond and world with Cloud that Aerith isn't a part of, via things like the Promise and later the two of them raising kids together.
2. Nah. It only means that they're both in love with the guy. But seriously, Aerith shouldn't be a rival anymore now right? Coz she's so dead.
Exactly. The metaphysics of Gaia aren't the same as ours, but its made clear that dead people who have returned to the Planet aren't supposed to keep regular contact with the living. Its not how things are supposed to work. Those who refuse to return to the Planet, like Sephiroth and the Gi tribe, can have contact with the living, but it will never be healthy contact. Even if Cloud loved Aerith, she's dead and her place is in the flow of life around the Planet. She came back to help him out when the Planet was in danger once and then went back.
But, that is neither here nor there since no one has yet managed to find evidence of Cloud loving Aerith when she was alive that equates to the mountain of evidence for him loving Tifa. Tifa, who is with him, the mother of the family they've formed, and oh yeah... still ALIVE.
At least we cross reference and not stick to one quote. An author can put all the puzzles in his work where the pieces can only be put together by looking at different parts.
Looking at this like a jigsaw puzzle isn't really a good way to do it. The romance of FFVII and the Comp is not the focus, so why in the hell would the creators go out of their way to make it so? It's really not a matter of fitting hundreds or thousands of tiny pieces together to form the bigger picture. Or if it is, there are some really
big pieces right in the middle that tell you just what the picture will be. Pieces like the LS event and the HW scene.
And since when do we stick to one quote? We discuss the HW scene, the LS event, we discuss Tifa's Reminiscence profile and their lines directly to each other in CoT. We bring up the words of other characters in CoB. And we relate them all to each other, since they are genuinely connected. Even if this is some doofy puzzle demanding we put it together, we have more pieces than you do CR. And we didn't need to make any of them up.
Yeah, I've seen Annie do that multiple times. She just doesn't seem to get that Cloud used those exact words, that he had Tifa and that "what he means is kind of different" in CoT. An excellent example of one of the "puzzle pieces" we have that fits.
First off, I don't see the need to reply to someone who I think is rude, and Anastar has that right.
And yet she has been called out for multiple rude behaviors and attitudes from nearly the moment she arrived to "debate" here. We were all still willing to talk to her, and just encouraged/asked her to knock off the bullshit. But when someone DARED to call a silly argument she made silly, they got blacklisted. There are worse things in your post, CR, than what she considers rude enough to stop replying to. And yet you don't come off as rude to me. Certainly not bad enough to never speak to again.
Second, why should she include other people's arguments in replying to another, especially is she deems that person rude?
Because they're part of the discussion? Because the people she DEEMS WORTHY of talking to her are reading the other posts and participating in the discussion at large instead of having what amounts to a PM discussing in public, as Annie seems to desire?
And lemme just point out, this is one of Anastar's many problems with getting people to take her seriously. She has to deem anything worthy before she will work with it. She DEEMS a person rude, no matter that they treated her less poorly than others already had by then, and ignores her own rude habits. She does that with EVERYTHING. She DEEMS Clerith valid despite lacking evidence to back it up, and she DEEMS Cloti as non-canon and makes up excuses as to why. So she DEEMS it ok to use blatant lies and speculation in place of evidence. She DEEMS part of a quote worthy of focus, and demands we ignore the rest of it even if one of us is the source of the goddamn quote (as is the case for hito). Its seriously uncool of her, and I for one would love to see it END. If she don't wanna participate in the discussion with everyone, I say she should take it to PM and get out of everyone else's hair. Now, I have no authority to make her do such a thing and everyone DOES have the right to talk only to who they wish. But it would be the polite thing to do, rather than come in here and constantly flaunt her decision to ignore everyone who participates in this thread save a select few.
I wouldn't include A's post in my reply to B because A is rude.
Simple as that, m'Lady.
And yet A is still a part of the discussion, still has their say, and B is still reading and replying as if you are reading the whole thread. And you don't see how that could be confusing and aggravating, m'lady?
Oh no. She's not making it up like it was a part of the convo. She's presenting a theory of how the convo went as the screen faded to make sense of/further explain her view of the apathetic night.
This thread is dependent on facts, not theories. Theories have their place here, but they most certainly don't trump facts. Especially when they are epic silliness about things we know didn't happen because we saw the whole scene. Cloud and Tifa end their short and apathetic talk in the LA version by going to sleep. We fade to black and come back in when hey wake up. The end. Her hypothesis is too impossible to even be called a theory, in all actuality.
I believe she's said that maybe Cloud had expressed disinterest because of Aerith. That is, again, a theory. A maybe. She'd be better at explaining it.
A theory with no evidence to back it up. A maybe that is absolutely debunked by a definite fact that Anastar just refuses to accept because it sinks her ship. I sincerely doubt she'd be any better at explaining this even if she did deign to speak to most of us, because it makes no sense any which way I look at it.
I know your post wasn't directed at me but, I took up issue with one little thing. =P
