The most annoying fandom assumptions that make no sense and won't die.

[Ryushikaze]

There's a quote saying that Sephiroth was supposed to not seem taxed or winded, and that he didn't want Cloud to die, but rather suffer. That doesn't mean 'he wasn't trying', it just means he's on a different level, and his goal required a live Cloud.

 

[Tennyo]

It means that Sephiroth likes to play with his food instead of just eating it like a good boy. But he had every intent of killing Cloud in the end.

 

[NoenGaruth]

Yeah, from what I gathered Sephiroth was pretty much going in for the killing blow when Cloud has the pep talk from Zack and gets out of the way.

 

[Smaddy]

It means that Sephiroth likes to play with his food instead of just eating it like a good boy. But he had every intent of killing Cloud in the end.

That, and I think the point of the quote was that they wanted to portray Sephiroth as almost a superhuman being. Fighting effortlessly =/= not trying. It's just that Cloud is your average human, and Sephiroth is superhuman for all the reasons we already know of.

 

[Lord Noctis]

That, and I think the point of the quote was that they wanted to portray Sephiroth as almost a superhuman being. Fighting effortlessly =/= not trying. It's just that Cloud is your average human, and Sephiroth is superhuman for all the reasons we already know of.

Please for the love of all things good tell me you did not just call Cloud an average human.

 

[Dashell]

Another thing that makes no sense, when people say Cloud is average....
oh...

 

[Loxetta]

It's just that Cloud is your average human

Lol.

You've seen this guy light up brighter than a Christmas tree in a tanning bed, right?

 

[Dashell]

Lol.

You've seen this guy light up brighter than a Christmas tree in a tanning bed, right?

I never thought Cloud was such a bad little tree. He's not bad at all, really. Maybe he just needs a little love.

 

[Smaddy]

Please for the love of all things good tell me you did not just call Cloud an average human.

Compared to Sephiroth though? That is, Sephiroth who has been through the Lifestream/ reborn through a Remnant.

I know he's not an average person. I guess I should have made that clearer, but I thought it was kind of obvious to anyone who's played FF7, that Cloud's slightly more than average.

And I thought the whole point of Cloud was, he IS average. He didn't make it into SOLDIER 1st Class because he was an average kid. He lied about his past and somewhat emulated Zack's personality* in order to seem less average.

Then he goes on to save the world and such, so yes he's above average, but I wouldn't consider him superhuman like Sephiroth. But that's just my opinion.

(* Yes I know there was more involved, this is greatly simplified)

 

[Max Payne]

Slightly? He cut a giant dragon in half after flying a 100feet in the air without suffering severe wind damage and physical trauma.

 

[Dashell]

And I thought the whole point of Cloud was, he IS average. He didn't make it into SOLDIER 1st Class because he was an average kid. He lied about his past and somewhat emulated Zack's personality* in order to seem less average.

Wasn't it stated somewhere that Cloud had the physical build to get into soldier but not the emotional build or something like that?

 

[Smaddy]

Slightly? He cut a giant dragon in half after flying a 100feet in the air without suffering severe wind damage and physical trauma.

That's true, but he also had some difficulties fighting against the Remnants in the Ancient City and Sephiroth. So I still stand by my opinion that he is not superhuman. He's above average, certainly, but not superhuman.

@ Quex: I don't know. I don't recall that ever being said in FF7, but it's been awhile.

 

[Max Payne]

That's true, but he also had some difficulties fighting against the Remnants in the Ancient City and Sephiroth. So I still stand by my opinion that he is not superhuman. He's above average, certainly, but not superhuman.

The Remnants are spirit bodies empowered by Sephiroth himself. Sephiroth is a fucking demigod.

You'd have to be superhuman to even stand against them on any footing.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I think the point that is trying to be made here that unlike many protagonists that are born with a hidden power, are chosen ones, are demigods, have been given great power from some other source, etc, Cloud is of ordinary human stock. Yes, he has Mako and Jenova enhancements, but other than that, he went from ordinary human to a walking monolith of destruction pretty much by his own accord. Very little was given to him.

 

[Max Payne]

I think the point that is trying to be made here that unlike many protagonists that are born with a hidden power, are chosen ones, are demigods, have been given great power from some other source, etc, Cloud is of ordinary human stock. Yes, he has Mako and Jenova enhancements, but other than that, he went from ordinary human to a walking monolith of destruction pretty much by his own accord. Very little was given to him.

That's not what's trying being said here, Smaddy is saying Cloud isn't superhuman, and it's pretty clear he is.

No one who is not superhuman could do the things he's done. There's no denying that he made himself the man he is, but he has most certainly become MUCH more than the average human.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

oh

then wtf are you talking about smaddy

 

[Smaddy]

I think the point that is trying to be made here that unlike many protagonists that are born with a hidden power, are chosen ones, are demigods, have been given great power from some other source, etc, Cloud is of ordinary human stock. Yes, he has Mako and Jenova enhancements, but other than that, he went from ordinary human to a walking monolith of destruction pretty much by his own accord. Very little was given to him.

Yes.

The whole point was to compare Cloud's power to Sephiroth's power. The original argument was that some people claim Sephiroth wasn't trying in his battle vs Cloud. That's not true, it's just that Sephiroth essentially has a god status with infinite powers, while Cloud does not. No Cloud's not your average Joe on the street, but at the same time, I would not consider him having a god status.

He's the most powerful out of Avalanche, and he's more powerful than most people, but not god status. He can't do what Sephiroth does- ex: controlling the weather, affecting the Lifestream, etc.

 

[Max Payne]

You said he's not superhuman. He most certainly is. Just because he's not a demigod doesn't mean he is not well above the general populous.

 

[Smaddy]

You said he's not superhuman. He most certainly is. Just because he's not a demigod doesn't mean he is not well above the general populous.

... I just said "he's not your average Joe" and "he's the strongest out of Avalanche". I don't know how I can make my point any clearer.

 

[Dashell]

Edit your old post

 

[Smaddy]

I'm dizzy. Next time I'll just have to be clearer in the first place, and not assume anything.

 

[Max Payne]

So you admit he's superhuman.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

No one who is not superhuman could do the things he's done. There's no denying that he made himself the man he is, but he has most certainly become MUCH more than the average human.

That's the power of love!
The first time he defeats Sephiroth, he's fuelled by the rage he feels over what's been done to the hometown and people he loves, especially Tifa.
After that, he's infused with Jenova cells and mako, making him physically as strong as a 1st class, while lacking their strength of character (though Genesis is a moot point).

 

[Cat Rage Room]

It's worth noting that Jenova cells and Mako doesn't automatically equate to being super duper strong from jump street, given the wide spectrum of strength and ability in SOLDIER and of course the mumbly mumbles in the black capes.

 

[Smaddy]

So you admit he's superhuman.

If Cloud is to be considered superhuman though, then what is Sephiroth? I see superhuman as being nearly undefeatable and having nearly endless power.

Cloud has some superhuman qualities at present time in the FF7 world. However, I think part of his charm as a character is that he basically is your average human with some enhancements, and he has weakness.

But Cloud wasn't always superhuman. And he's not on the same level as Sephiroth.