I'm quoting this for much needed emphasis. "What happened at [X] stays at [X]" was a standard rule of this forum long before the LTD b.s. got rules specific to it, and is pretty standard across many forums.
Blank, you are now being banned from this section of the forum for four months and are extremely close to being permanently banned for having now broken multiple rules.
In addition to violating the above, you demonstrated an unwillingness to assume good faith (a requirement of this section) when you said to DutchDread
"Of course you don't want to debate 'Hollow,' it helps Clerith" after they had given you their reasoning, and that was before you began peddling this bizarre conspiracy theory about that Cloti blog -- and then continued doing so after a mod told you to stop.
As it is, why should anyone have considered they may get a good faith discussion out of you on this subject after you said this morning that Tifa
"is and always was an after-thought"? Which, by the way, breaks another rule in here: character assassination.
On top of all of the above, you even cited a "comment from Nomura" that was proven to be a forgery a decade ago:
Nomura never said this. Someone took a similarly constructed response from Nomura in an interview from the KH Ultimania, swapped out the topic of who KH Cloud was searching for with "who Cloud likes," and then outright fabricated the "I want to leave it up to players to decide who Cloud likes" bit at the end.
The only reason -- let me be very clear:
the only reason -- you are not being permanently banned at this moment is because there is some possibility that you legitimately did not know about the above forgery being what it is, despite it being mentioned here and elsewhere on numerous occasions.
Should you decide to return down the road, don't do any of this again. You are on your final chance.
Ceetainly it has at least as much relevance as how Tifa wonders Cloud may view Aerith?
Well, that's certainly firm but fair, I apologize for again getting swept up in it again as well but I have to say, it's REALLY difficult to try and maintain courtesy when someone is being this infuriating.
I know we have to assume good faith....but still. I asked for a simple clarification on a position half a dozen times, I've never seen anyone who is this blatantly uninterested in having a two-sided discussion. It is baffling, I really don't know how to respond to that.
If that were the case, then sure, he's not being gross or a jackass.
Maybe not gross, but he'd still be a jackass, he'd still be knowingly playing with her emotions and arguably taking advantage of them. Only difference is that in this scenario Tifa isn't even getting any for her troubles :S
I don't think that Cloud and Tifa are "broken up" per se.
One of the problems I generally see with these sorts of things is that we always assume that relationships in fantasy worlds are the same as in ours, it still baffles me that no matter where you go, "marriage" is apparently a pretty similar concept.
I've never seen anyone in FFVII specifically ask a girl "do you want to be my monogamous girlfriend" or something, we just kind of assume that's how it works. In the big picture, I get that. But when it comes to smaller issues, like what determines a couple, what determines a break up, etc, this seems weird to me. I don't think that's even a universal thing in our world, let alone FFVII.
I really don't think that Tifa and Cloud would have needed a moment where they became "official" in order to be a "couple". And while Tifa is still waiting for Cloud to return, and Cloud is engaged with his inner struggles, I don't see why we'd try to label that as a "break up" or a "couple"?
It is what it is, two people who were not in a great place at that moment, but were still exclusive. There is nothing that defines what being a "couple" is, besides our own categorization of ourselves as such. So how can we deign to try and put those labels on people who live in an entirely different way?
Tifa isn't interested or trying to see other men, and Cloud wasn't trying to see other women, if Cloud were to come to Tifa, she'd embrace him, and Cloud still wants to make Tifa happy (he just thinks he can't), and doesn't want any other guys to be with her. That's a couple in all the ways that matter.
The only reason -- let me be very clear: the only reason -- you are not being permanently banned at this moment is because there is some possibility that you legitimately did not know about the above forgery being what it is, despite it being mentioned here and elsewhere on numerous occasions.
Can I ask you about some clarification about these rules? Because I don't want to run foul of them accidentally, earlier (in I think this threat) I posted a quote about Clouds true self coming out with Tifa from the recent ultimania. I didn't have a official translation, since as far as I know there isn't one. So I simply googled the quote and used a (cloti) site that had the quote, with reference, along with a word for word translation of the kanji and some useful extra clarification and nuance.
Blank pointed out that that's a Cloti site, which shouldn't matter because that's an argument from authority, it's either correct or it's not, doesn't matter where it came from.
But I can easily imagine that other translators would give a different nuance to it. Or that there are some other rules concerning "no fan translations" or some such. I can also imagine misremembering something and making a mistake (honestly, Nojima, Nomura? Mistakes will be made). So since I see that willfully trying to promote faulty information (like a bad translation in the case of Blank) is rightfully punished, how strict or we on this? Because I don't know the history of each debunked translation, and if it's as specific is exact single wording, that's a difficult thing to keep track off.
