The Pros of Final Fantasy X-2
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megas_sephiroth
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X-3 wouldn't make much sense. X was left open so X-2 could be made. The same cannot be said about X-2, especially
if Tidus comes back
megas_sephiroth
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X was left open. The concept of X-2 came up later as being something that would be quick and simple to make and still make money.so that we wouldn't feel too terrible about Tidus vanishing into thin air and not actually existing
Really? There goes my conspiracy theory. I always thought they had done it on purpose to give it a try and see how fans would react to a FF direct sequel.
Tennyo
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That's what I thought at first as well, but nope. I think I read it in the Official Playstation Magazine back when X-2 first came out. They had no plans for a sequel while making X. The reason why they chose to make this quick and easy game (that existed on a previously made engine so things would already be done for them hence the quick easy and CHEAP) a sequel to X was because X was so popular.
Keep in mind that this was back when Squaresoft was still in a lot of financial trouble. They were kind of desperate, I think, and X-2 delivered.
Keep in mind that this was back when Squaresoft was still in a lot of financial trouble. They were kind of desperate, I think, and X-2 delivered.
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megas_sephiroth
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Yeah, I guess it was the easiest, cheapest way to save the company.
megas_sephiroth
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Yes, that's right. X says Squaresoft and X-2 says Square Enix.
megas_sephiroth
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Yeah, I checked my copy, which is european.
Vendel
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Pvt Joker I don't believe I heard you correctly!
You will sound off that you love the good ending!
Makoeyes987
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The FFVII Reunion Files state that they were intending to make an FFX-2 from the get go, but they weren't sure of the medium. But they decided to go for a direct game sequel due to the high sales and positive reaction to FFX International and the Eternal Calm bonus movie. So no, it was pretty much decided there'd be a sequel during development. They didn't include the hint of Tidus still existing afterward for no reason.
Makoeyes987
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The ending itself, and the FFX International "Eternal Calm" movie, definitely hinted towards a sequel, and that was made while Square was still "Squaresoft." So blaming FFX-2's creation on Enix or the Enix merger is bullocks.
Tetsujin
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The ending itself, and the FFX International "Eternal Calm" movie, definitely hinted towards a sequel, and that was made while Square was still "Squaresoft." So blaming FFX-2's creation on Enix or the Enix merger is bullocks.
Just as blaming the merger on the TSW failure is bollocks. And people still do that D=
Tennyo
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Hey I never blaimed X-2 on the merger, did I?
And I read in this interview that yes, the Eternal Calm vid was put out there to gauge people's interest, but they didn't come to the idea of a X sequel or anything like that at all until after the game had been released and was received so well.
I mean come on Tidus was barely in X-2 and his return isn't very well explained. And yes, I get the whole, "The Fayth fused their memories and memories of him on the farplan to make him whole again," but if that were the case then why did he even vanish in the first place if it was really that simple?
Dammit why did you have to post that! *fights off inner fangirl*
And I read in this interview that yes, the Eternal Calm vid was put out there to gauge people's interest, but they didn't come to the idea of a X sequel or anything like that at all until after the game had been released and was received so well.
I mean come on Tidus was barely in X-2 and his return isn't very well explained. And yes, I get the whole, "The Fayth fused their memories and memories of him on the farplan to make him whole again," but if that were the case then why did he even vanish in the first place if it was really that simple?
Dammit why did you have to post that! *fights off inner fangirl*
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Makoeyes987
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The Reunion Files says they were already thinking of a sequel for FFX in the first place, hence the ending.
They just hadn't figured out which medium they wanted to do it in. So they tried their hand at making a little sequel cutscene to gauge interest. Cue, "Eternal Calm." People liked it, cue FFX-2. People loved it, cue interest in doing more sequels. And the Compilation was born.
It makes perfect sense, because in essence, Tidus is a living aeon. The reason he vanished in the first place was because the Fayth didn't bother to think "Oh hay guiz, lets give a gift to the gurl who saved the world two tiems by reconstructing her imaginary b/f and bonding him to her love so that he'll always exist so long as they love each other <3"
An aeon is manifested due to the strong emotion, feeling, thought, etc that fayth "dreams" into existence and allows for a summoner to invoke via pyreflies. By the Fayth reconstructing Tidus and allowing Tidus's dream to exist along with her love he exists. It's romantic and sweet. Big deal.
They just hadn't figured out which medium they wanted to do it in. So they tried their hand at making a little sequel cutscene to gauge interest. Cue, "Eternal Calm." People liked it, cue FFX-2. People loved it, cue interest in doing more sequels. And the Compilation was born.
It makes perfect sense, because in essence, Tidus is a living aeon. The reason he vanished in the first place was because the Fayth didn't bother to think "Oh hay guiz, lets give a gift to the gurl who saved the world two tiems by reconstructing her imaginary b/f and bonding him to her love so that he'll always exist so long as they love each other <3"
An aeon is manifested due to the strong emotion, feeling, thought, etc that fayth "dreams" into existence and allows for a summoner to invoke via pyreflies. By the Fayth reconstructing Tidus and allowing Tidus's dream to exist along with her love he exists. It's romantic and sweet. Big deal.
Vendel
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Dammit why did you have to post that! *fights off inner fangirl*
It is useless to resist.
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That whole "Dream/real Person" thing never made that much sense. I mean...look at the Farplane iN Guadosalam. It supposedly only shows 'memories" of dead people, right? But if you think of a living person, they won't show up. So obviously it must have something to do with their soul or essence being off this plane of existence. Yet Tidus saw his mom and she never had a soul or existed. If I'm understanding Dream Zanarkand right, anyway.
Then of course there's the old "what exactly is Shuyin's and Tidus' connection?" We know there is one but they left it purposefully ambiguous.
Then of course there's the old "what exactly is Shuyin's and Tidus' connection?" We know there is one but they left it purposefully ambiguous.
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Tennyo
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@ Mako: There's nothing wrong with it being romantic and sweet, just the presentation of said events.
@ Vendel: Nooooooooo!!!!
@ Nikkolas: The whole idea of the Farplane being memories and not real people is just an Al Bhed belief. As such it would appear that the Al Bhed were wrong on that account. It is really the souls of the dead. And Tidus saw his mom because, at that moment in time, the Fayth were still "dreaming," so she was kind of real in a sense. I'm sure that now that the dream is over she wouldn't be there anymore.
Or maybe she would be, I guess I can't answer that.
@ Vendel: Nooooooooo!!!!
@ Nikkolas: The whole idea of the Farplane being memories and not real people is just an Al Bhed belief. As such it would appear that the Al Bhed were wrong on that account. It is really the souls of the dead. And Tidus saw his mom because, at that moment in time, the Fayth were still "dreaming," so she was kind of real in a sense. I'm sure that now that the dream is over she wouldn't be there anymore.
Or maybe she would be, I guess I can't answer that.
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Makoeyes987
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The imaginary dream people of Zanarkand do have souls. They exist. They just exist in an alternate "Dream Zanarkand" that was created by the real people of Zanarkand when they became Fayth. Just because they're dreams, doesn't mean they have no souls.
Shuyin's connection to Tidus is that he is the real world basis of the dream. There did exist a Blitzball star player in Zanarkand, and that player was Shuyin. Tidus is the dream that was spawned from that reality.
And the presentation of the events are sweet and romantic, and acceptable. If you don't like them gtfo and criticize them elsewhere.
Shuyin's connection to Tidus is that he is the real world basis of the dream. There did exist a Blitzball star player in Zanarkand, and that player was Shuyin. Tidus is the dream that was spawned from that reality.
And the presentation of the events are sweet and romantic, and acceptable. If you don't like them gtfo and criticize them elsewhere.
Then the whole "when Jecht/Tidus came in contact with Sin and became real" has no meaning. They're all real since they all have souls. Makes it pretty harsh since Auron saluted the deaths of thousands of people then.
This is nothing but a fan belief and is argued heavily. As opponents of what you say point out, Dream Zanarkand ages just like the real world. While there may have been a dream Shuyin, he should have long died. At most Tidus is just a descendant of the dream Shuyin.
Also Tennyo, I always thought the Farplane iN Guadosalam wasn't the real one. I mean the Farplane is in Spira as we see in X-2.
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