The Pros of Final Fantasy X-2

[Cat Rage Room]

I don't think all of the current aeons in FFX were around before Sin. I've always had a theory that there were others but I think they were probably in the war of a thousand or so years past. All of the current Aeons are former residents of Zanarkand that volunteered to be Fayth so that they could summon the Dream Zanarkand and also so that they could be used by Yu Yevon to defeat Bevelle. Well that eventually went haywire. lol

Some of the Aeons are people who volunteered to be Fayth to help summoners along their path to defeat Sin.

 

[Strangelove]

But didn't all the Summoner's just die after summoning the Final Aeon?

They die because Yu Yevon takes over their Aeon, not from the summoning itself IIRC. So you could summon it against a normal monster and be fine, it's just if you defeated Sin with it, then you'd die.

 

[Tennyo]

@ Lulu's first summoner: Umm.... Yojimbo was not that summoner.

@ Mog: I don't think they become Fayth to help defeat Sin, actually. They've all been Fayth for a very long time. Like I said I think most if not all are from the real Zanarkand. They became Fayth to preserve Zanarkand in a dream, and then Yu Yevon used them to summon the dream, and then all of the other Fayth on Mt. Gagazet to summon Sin.

 

[Channy]

People can voluntarily become Fayth. Before Sin, residents of Zanarkand did this to keep the art of summoning alive, and after Sin, people all over Spira did it to keep the rest of them alive. I assume it takes a special calibre to become a Fayth, so there aren't too many now. However that's partly because Zanarkand, which was full of summoners and fayths, is presently a black, greasy crater on the map.

wot? Where is all this stated? D;

Wait, huh? There's a possibility that some of the summons you obtain were someone's Final Aeon/Guardian, but you don't HAVE to be a Final Aeon to be a fayth. You can volunteer yourself for it regardless and be a regular strength Aeon.

Yeah, but don't all Final Aeon's become Sin and then die when a new Sin is born? How can these Guardian/Final Aeons be the Aeons you later acquire? That's what boggles me.

A summoner cannot become an Aeon/Fayth whatsoever.

oic.

Wait WHAT are you talking about? Yojimbo is an Aeon, not a Summoner.

No I know he's an Aeon. But Lulu confronts.... *pauses* No wait never mind. I messed myself.

I kept thinking she was confronting the Aeon himself, but then it briefly flashed in my head when she confronts the WOMAN who then summons Yojimbo.

Never mind

They die because Yu Yevon takes over their Aeon, not from the summoning itself IIRC. So you could summon it against a normal monster and be fine, it's just if you defeated Sin with it, then you'd die.

You know I never got why they died. Yeah their connection with their Final Aeon is strong, but it just sounds like a really lame fabricated plot device that makes no sense. Should have thought it out better.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

wot? Where is all this stated? D;

The game. Lulu states it. And we know Zanarkand had a lot of summoners/fayths because that was their main weapon in their war against Bevelle, long before Sin entered the picture.

Yeah, but don't all Final Aeon's become Sin and then die when a new Sin is born? How can these Guardian/Final Aeons be the Aeons you later acquire? That's what boggles me.

The only Final Aeon you use is Anima, and that's because Seymour never used her against Sin. In the game, you see him GETTING Anima, but he pussies out and never actually fights Sin. A Final Aeon only dies/becomes Sin when it actually fights Sin. If it never fights Sin, it never becomes Sin. So if Billy and Joe go on a Pilgrimage, and Joe offers to be his Final Aeon, if Billy wanted to, he could just not fight Sin at all and just...jump off a cliff or something.

Let's say some time later, Matt finds the Fayth statue, and gets Billy's Final Aeon. Of course, to Matt, it would just be a regular Aeon. Matt couldn't use it to defeat Sin.

You know I never got why they died. Yeah their connection with their Final Aeon is strong, but it just sounds like a really lame fabricated plot device that makes no sense. Should have thought it out better.

It takes a lot of focus to summon just a regular strength Aeon. Hell, you see how tired and worn out Yuna is after walking out of the Fayth chambers. The fact that Yu Yevon RIPS the Final Aeon from the Summoner is enough of a mental strain to kill said summoner.

@ Mog: I don't think they become Fayth to help defeat Sin, actually. They've all been Fayth for a very long time. Like I said I think most if not all are from the real Zanarkand. They became Fayth to preserve Zanarkand in a dream, and then Yu Yevon used them to summon the dream, and then all of the other Fayth on Mt. Gagazet to summon Sin.

Maybe, I'd have to look it up.

 

[Channy]

The game. Lulu states it. And we know Zanarkand had a lot of summoners/fayths because that was their main weapon in their war against Bevelle, long before Sin entered the picture.

I desperately need to replay both games.

The only Final Aeon you use is Anima, and that's because Seymour never used her against Sin. In the game, you see him GETTING Anima, but he pussies out and never actually fights Sin. A Final Aeon only dies/becomes Sin when it actually fights Sin. If it never fights Sin, it never becomes Sin. So if Billy and Joe go on a Pilgrimage, and Joe offers to be his Final Aeon, if Billy wanted to, he could just not fight Sin at all and just...jump off a cliff or something.

Let's say some time later, Matt finds the Fayth statue, and gets Billy's Final Aeon. Of course, to Matt, it would just be a regular Aeon. Matt couldn't use it to defeat Sin.

Hrm.. Alright well I see your point then. But how come Anime has her own temple? Do you suppose if she was somewhere easily accessible on Spira, others would have acquired her? But no, Seymour just hides her in this little rundown underground Temple no one will ever find.

New question coinciding with this, wtf are the fayth statues and where do they come from? Is an Aeon just a spirit that becomes tangible to a Summoner, and it sleeps in this giant piece of stone? But don't all the fayth statues disappear at the end of X? And if they do because all the fayth have stopped dreaming, where do the anti-Aeons come from, if they're all 'awake'? How they fuck does THAT happen?

Sorry, I tend to trail.

It takes a lot of focus to summon just a regular strength Aeon. Hell, you see how tired and worn out Yuna is after walking out of the Fayth chambers. The fact that Yu Yevon RIPS the Final Aeon from the Summoner is enough of a mental strain to kill said summoner.

I suppose. But I would have liked to see some blood.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Hrm.. Alright well I see your point then. But how come Anime has her own temple?

The temple you acquire Anima in was originally another temple to possibly another Fayth (many people hypothesize it was Yojimbo's temple). Seymour and his mother lived there after their exile.

Do you suppose if she was somewhere easily accessible on Spira, others would have acquired her?

I'm sure, summoners take all the help they can get. But they tend to naturally prefer officially Yevon ordained temples that are along the pilgrimage path.

But no, Seymour just hides her in this little rundown underground Temple no one will ever find.

1. He's crazy and doesn't give a shit
2. He's possessive of his mother and only wants himself to be able to use her.

New question coinciding with this, wtf are the fayth statues and where do they come from?

Zanarkand had the secret of making fayth statues. When Zanarkand was destroyed, this knowledge passed down to Yunalesca, who somehow (probably through her father) refined the knowledge to make Final Aeon fayths. Possibly, the knowledge on how to make regular ol' Aeon fayths is known to the highest order of the Yevon clergy, but this isn't really known presently because there have been no new 'regular' Aeons in recent history.

Is an Aeon just a spirit that becomes tangible to a Summoner, and it sleeps in this giant piece of stone?

Someone sacrifices their soul to become a fayth. They're sealed in a stature that looks like a mix of the original person and that Aeon. Once there, a summoner calls upon their power to make that Fayth 'dream' up an Aeon. An Aeon is pretty much an extension of that Fayth. An Aeon, once summoned, is an actual physical presence that everyone can see. Once the Aeon is dismissed or defeated, the Fayth stops dreaming it up until its summoned again.

But don't all the fayth statues disappear at the end of X? And if they do because all the fayth have stopped dreaming, where do the anti-Aeons come from, if they're all 'awake'? How they fuck does THAT happen?

The Fayth statues don't disappear, the Fayth just stop dreaming. The Dark Aeons, I'm not quite sure about, but I know the Fayth could just dream again if they so choose, that's how Tidus eventually comes back.



Sorry, I tend to trail.

 

[Channy]

The temple you acquire Anima in was originally another temple to possibly another Fayth (many people hypothesize it was Yojimbo's temple). Seymour and his mother lived there after their exile.

orite, Yojimbo was stolen.. I completely neglected that too >>

I'm sure, summoners take all the help they can get. But they tend to naturally prefer officially Yevon ordained temples that are along the pilgrimage path.

But a lot of people went t the Cavern of the stolen fayth and just... died.

Zanarkand had the secret of making fayth statues. When Zanarkand was destroyed, this knowledge passed down to Yunalesca, who somehow (probably through her father) refined the knowledge to make Final Aeon fayths. Possibly, the knowledge on how to make regular ol' Aeon fayths is known to the highest order of the Yevon clergy, but this isn't really known presently because there have been no new 'regular' Aeons in recent history.

This game has so much internal knowledge. ;-;

Someone sacrifices their soul to become a fayth. They're sealed in a stature that looks like a mix of the original person and that Aeon. Once there, a summoner calls upon their power to make that Fayth 'dream' up an Aeon. An Aeon is pretty much an extension of that Fayth. An Aeon, once summoned, is an actual physical presence that everyone can see. Once the Aeon is dismissed or defeated, the Fayth stops dreaming it up until its summoned again.

oic, thanks.:3

The Fayth statues don't disappear, the Fayth just stop dreaming. The Dark Aeons, I'm not quite sure about, but I know the Fayth could just dream again if they so choose, that's how Tidus eventually comes back.

That's weird. Hrm... stupid fayth.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

But a lot of people went t the Cavern of the stolen fayth and just... died.

It's dangerous as shit and people don't go there, which is why it's not an official requirement on a pilgrimage. You CAN risk life and limb to try to get Yojimbo, but most don't.

This game has so much internal knowledge. ;-;

I want to agree, but a lot of this was in game.

That's weird. Hrm... stupid fayth.

Dreaming up Aeons take a tremendous amount of energy and effort for a Fayth. That's why they were so relieved to not have to do it after the end of FFX. But they cut Tidus a break since he saved their asses, and agreed to dream him up for real.

 

[Channy]

It's dangerous as shit and people don't go there, which is why it's not an official requirement on a pilgrimage. You CAN risk life and limb to try to get Yojimbo, but most don't.

You can risk life and limb, but if you don't have the cash, it's all wasted effort.

I want to agree, but a lot of this was in game.

ghey

Dreaming up Aeons take a tremendous amount of energy and effort for a Fayth. That's why they were so relieved to not have to do it after the end of FFX. But they cut Tidus a break since he saved their asses, and agreed to dream him up for real.

But if it was such rigorous work, why would they dream the Dark Aeons? And for a malevolent purpose no less.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

But if it was such rigorous work, why would they dream the Dark Aeons? And for a malevolent purpose no less.

I just looked it up, the Dark Aeons were only in FF-X's timeline, namely, FFX International. They aren't in FFX-2. The Dark Aeons were just fancy names (and a different look) for the regular Aeons that were summoned by the Yevon summoners out to get you. Remember that an Aeon itself can only do what the Summoner commands it to do.

 

[Channy]

Ohh. Okay.

Well I think that concludes my interview. Thank you for joining me, and we'll give you a call sometime.

 

[I Am Not Me]

Okay, IDK what the recent poasts are saying, so I'll just reply to the first post.

I didn't approve of FFX-2, but yes, it did have some of its good points that got me playing it to completion. One would be the soundtrack. IDC what others say about it; it's awesome. As expected of a Final Fantasy title.

Then there's Rikku. While I like her better in FFX, I still like that I can play dress up with her (don't care about transformed!Yuna and Paine dressing up). There's also these bits with her and Gippal, which made me squeal at times.

The new characters are pretty cool. I like Paine. And I'm a Gippal fangurl. Baralai is pretty cute too. LeBlanc was pretty lulzworthy. As is everyone else, pretty much. Shuyin is cute (cuter than Tidus, yo) and Lenne...she looked like my older cousin.

Gameplay was fun. Graphics = awesome (and is still awesome, even for today's standards). And I love that somewhat secret dungeon which name I forgot. I just like how you go the bottommost and fight a big, bad boss. I think it was a Weapon? I don't remember now. But I loved that dungeon.

I also liked how we can view FMVs and stuff in that stadium place. Really cool.

And and and... IDK I ran out of things to say.

 

[Channy]

You know I'd have to say X-2 has the best dubbing/lip syncing... or at least ranks really high up there. Especially during the semi high res cut scenes. It was spot on.

Better than AC/C even.

 

[I Am Not Me]

You know I'd have to say X-2 has the best dubbing/lip syncing... or at least ranks really high up there. Especially during the semi high res cut scenes. It was spot on.

Better than AC/C even.

YES. AGREED.

AC/C has awful lip-syncing, let me just say.

I knew I missed something there.

 

[Channy]

You'd think for a high budget high res movie they'd put more effort into it.

That was one of the charms of X-2. I actually felt like I was watching a story unfold in the form of a movie, not off synced characters with voices that don't match or line up.

 

[Nikkolas]

The Dark Aeons are in X-2, kinda. Though maybe calling the insane aeons you fight Dark [insert name] is just a fan thing. not sure if that's what they were officially called.

X-2 had better voice-acting than Advent Children as well.

 

[Makoeyes987]

They were called "Heretic" if I remember correctly. At least.... that's what the merchandise would call the dark Aeons from FFX-2.

In regards to Shuyin, there clearly is some influence between the two. The article specifically states that. They aren't similar due to coincidence. Some form of the reality of Shuyin "bled" into the existence of Tidus, regardless of how long ago he existed and how long Tidus existed. Again, I never said they were carbon copies. Even if he's a "descendant" of whatever dream person existed to represent Shuyin, the fact remains that Tidus is a "dream" that is currently the representation/connection of the reality of Shuyin's character. To say that Tidus's existence has no bearing or influence from Shuyin is kinda like saying Tonberries aren't vicious little beasties that like stabbing things.

 

[Channy]

Regarding Shuyin I've always believed he was the original from 1000 years ago. That much is obvious. Tidus is merely a dream of the faith made tangible by some odd form of luck that Jecht is his father and he needs to save the world. The resemblance isn't just mere physical features. Shuyin was a Blitzball player... Tidus was a Blitzball player....

What boggles my mind was during X-2 Tidus somehow manifests himself to whistle to Yuna and appear for a brief moment in The Farplane. Clearly Shuyin and Tidus aren't the same person, but if Tidus had been a dream and the Fayth are awake now, how could he appear? And why would he appear now with Shuyin around? Messes Yuna up mad liek.

I also wonder why Shuyin wouldn't be around during any part of X... granted it was made a few years later..

 

[Makoeyes987]

Tidus is a dream but he still has spirit energy. He's made of a composition of pyreflies that house his memories, identity, etc.

Do you not remember the ending that shows Tidus crossing over into the Farplane, seeing Auron, and finally high-fiving Jecht in the end?

Jecht too, exists on the Farplane as well, and he's nothing more than a dream too.

And Shuyin was around during FFX, you just never encountered him during the adventure because you didn't actually go into the Den of Woe and do anything. Do you not even remember the story? Shuyin's shadow was inhabiting Nooj because it possessed him while the Crimson Squad did their little exercise in the Den of Woe.

 

[Nikkolas]

Well like Mako said earlier, apparently being a dream doesn't mean you don't have a soul. So even if the Fayth stopped dreaming about him, his spirit was still in the Farplan and found Yuna.

As for Shuyin's and Tidus' connection, that is undeniable. Maechen even says it in the game. All I'm saying is that the influence is sketchy and ambiguous. Beyond they both fell in love with a sumoner and fighting moves, there's not much in common. Even Yuna said beyond looks they were totally different which they are.

And I was always confused. Did that whole business at the Den of Woe happen about the same time as Operation mi'Hen? They comment on the Operation in one of the spheres.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well yeah, I know. Again. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying they're alike aside from the resemblance, playing of Blitzball, and choice in women.

They just share an interesting dream/reality connection and its not just some random coinky dink.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Well yeah, I know. Again. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying they're alike aside from the resemblance, playing of Blitzball, and choice in women.

And the fact that their choice in fighting moves are exactly the same.

 

[Channy]

I'm not misunderstanding, I just love to talk Shuyin.

Personality wise they are different. Shuyin's sort of... more passionate and reckless. Tidus is reckless to a degree but he always had a group of people around him "Don't do this" "don't do that".

 

[Nikkolas]

And the fact that their choice in fighting moves are exactly the same.

Well that is part of a theory I've heard of how exactly Tidus got so good so fast. I mean, RPG heroes are supposed to improve but Tidus went from not even knowing how to really hold a sword to being one of the greatest Guardians ever. Theory says it's a the Shuyin in him.
Which seems sensible enough to me. Though Shuyin's names are way cooler. Terror of Zanarkand w/World Champion > Blitz Ace.